I don't disagree at all.
My personal take on ETH is, he's probably a phenomenal youth coach, where they need discipline and an authority figure.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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I don't disagree at all.
My personal take on ETH is, he's probably a phenomenal youth coach, where they need discipline and an authority figure.
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Called it after the cup final. Any poll on EtH literally swings back and forth depending on the most recent result. I don't even blame fans for being fickle. It kind of comes with the job. But how any comprehensive review of our worst ever premier league season led to a decision to keep the guy who presided over it is beyond baffling.
Called it after the cup final. Any poll on EtH literally swings back and forth depending on the most recent result. I don't even blame fans for being fickle. It kind of comes with the job. But how any comprehensive review of our worst ever premier league season led to a decision to keep the guy who presided over it is beyond baffling.
We squandered that lead. The game ended 3-3 and would have been 4-3 to Coventry barring a very marginal offside.
Bunch of jokers here. I couldn’t believe that more than 50% here wanted him to stay on as manager this season.
Reap what you sow. And then few games later when we go on a mini winning run, no doubt we will go back to wanting to keep him again
Reap what you sow. And then few games later when we go on a mini winning run, no doubt we will go back to wanting to keep him again
I still voted stay, I want to see what happens between now and December
Only thing I would add is that Zirkzee was well off the pace with the press and Liverpool were able to create artificial transitions into the centre, until we reorganised, but that pushed Garnacho and Bruno deeper and their fullbacks enjoyed more freedom
You'd hope so.
This. The way we're set up tactically means an individual mistake tends to result in an opposition goal, or at least a clear goalscoring opportunity.
Which is another reason the "ETH did nothing wrong, we lost due to individual mistakes" narrative that comes up after every game is complete bullshit.
This has been beat to death already but prolonging the inevitable only hampers our next season even more. The writing is on the wall. ETH cannot get a tune out of this squad he has built. There is plenty of talent there. Bruno is a shadow of the player we signed. He used to score goals for fun. The chance creator means nothing if we don't take those chances. Rashford is in a slump that you can't just play out of. ETH has picked his battles with the players. He has new coaches and new players. It's down to him now. We've scored two goals in 3 games and barely got away with a win against Fulham at home. His time is up. Ineos need to put their big boy pants on and make the decision they should have made 3 months ago.
I totally get that and it's commendable that you explained your thought process.
end of this month we have palace (A), spurs (H) , villa (A). its perfectly feasible that we get the run around in at least 2 of those games, at that stage end of september, i think hes gone.
Bruno isn't back from preseason yet
I would love to hear what he says if someone asks him whether he expects to hold onto the ball with a forward line of Rasford-Bruno-Garnacho behind the striker.
Writings on the wall,just a matter of when and who.Ruud ?
As standards go we should beat all three so if he doesn't 7 points, I can see it.
He won't be expected to get more than 4 points, and he won't expect more than 4 points himself.
In fact he and his backers will be screaming progress if we win 1 and draw 1 of these 3 games. We lost 4-0 to Palace last season, barely drew to Tottenham and won at Villa despite being second best for all of the game (which should have finished 5-1 to them).
Ridiculous
Positive GD! Finally some good news
Correct - the system and set up leaves us exposed. Players give the ball away all the time. It usually doesn't result in your midfield and defence being completely opened up.
You throwing Ten Hag under a bus, never thought I’d see the day.
I was behind keeping him last season, irrespective of the cup final win i thought he deserved another season. The non footballing stuff he's had to deal with over both seasons is far in excess of what any other manager or club has had to go through and whilst 8th is no where near good enough, i didnt see any other manager doing any better particularly with the footballing structure being so poor and did feel as though he deserved a chance with better infrastructure around him. That said, i could also understand fans calling for him to be removed last season, although i didnt agree.
Yesterday was soul destroying and its difficult to give him any benefit of the doubt any more, the money spent and players at his disposal, it was so hard to watch. The tactics and team structure just doesnt look right, I doubt Ineos would make a change after only 3 games, Sky showed up the next 7 game run-in and i think that will be the point at which a decision will be made. I imagine before the season started Ineos will have set objectives and falling below those objectives will trigger a change which avoids making a decision based on emotion, but the direction very much feels inevitable.
Its a bit of death-by-a-thousand cuts scenario.
Yesterday was soul destroying and its difficult to give him any benefit of the doubt any more, the money spent and players at his disposal, it was so hard to watch. The tactics and team structure just doesnt look right, I doubt Ineos would make a change after only 3 games, Sky showed up the next 7 game run-in and i think that will be the point at which a decision will be made. I imagine before the season started Ineos will have set objectives and falling below those objectives will trigger a change which avoids making a decision based on emotion, but the direction very much feels inevitable.
Its a bit of death-by-a-thousand cuts scenario.
I've already seen backers claim that our football is slightly better than last season. They'll use last season which was our worst in my lifetime as a comparison to say he's doing alright, even if it's just 1% better. Progress.
Oh here we go people feeling sorry for him in the poll morning after, expect to see even more in his favour by kick off at Southampton
I think he is safe up until then but poor results from our next four games will get him fired.
It makes sense during your first season but not the third. ETH is familiar with everyone in the team, the only players that he has never coached for at least 1 year are Zirkzee, Ugarte and Yoro. So if he is a decent manager he should have a solid plan for any combination of player at his disposal otherwise he is useless, the most important contribution of a manager is in a context where things are less than ideal, that's when you know what you actually have as a manager. Also the playing style of a manager should never rely on a specific set of 11 players, it should be ideal for at least 16-17 players and still efficient for 20+ members of the team with adjustments.
If it relies on 11 players then it needs to be binned, especially when it's the third season.
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Like I said yesterday I've had enough and it's just time to face facts here that it's not going to work.
Awful lot of pressure for someone inexperienced
As an interim it would be significanly less though, sort of like how Ole came in and lifted everyone.
I’ve been ETH out since January so people saying it’s a knee jerk reaction cannot be more wrong.
I wrote this when he got an extension:
Color me surprised. I thought that no matter how good ETH’s season was—or especially if it was this bad—INEOS would have hired their own manager. It’s safe to assume that the FA Cup win and the resulting change in optics saved his job. Fan opinion is fickle, and if he starts racking up losses and poor performances, the pressure will be immense. According to The Athletic, salary talks were held with both Tuchel and RDZ, so it's certainly not as clear-cut as some people think.
He's not my first choice. I believe he's tactically inept (given the 8th place finish and numerous poor performances) and a poor communicator (due to his bad English). His naivety and stubbornness are also major problems. The only reason I see for him still being here is that he essentially rolled over and became their yes-man.
Now it’s up to ETH. He has to prove me and everyone else who’s unconvinced wrong. The losses and poor performances from last season need to be a thing of the past.
I wrote this when he got an extension:
Color me surprised. I thought that no matter how good ETH’s season was—or especially if it was this bad—INEOS would have hired their own manager. It’s safe to assume that the FA Cup win and the resulting change in optics saved his job. Fan opinion is fickle, and if he starts racking up losses and poor performances, the pressure will be immense. According to The Athletic, salary talks were held with both Tuchel and RDZ, so it's certainly not as clear-cut as some people think.
He's not my first choice. I believe he's tactically inept (given the 8th place finish and numerous poor performances) and a poor communicator (due to his bad English). His naivety and stubbornness are also major problems. The only reason I see for him still being here is that he essentially rolled over and became their yes-man.
Now it’s up to ETH. He has to prove me and everyone else who’s unconvinced wrong. The losses and poor performances from last season need to be a thing of the past.
Surely the fact thread went up 30 pages says there is many of the fanbase who have had enough
Can't wait for tasty 1-0 win at Southampton.
Yep.
Tbf it wouldn't shock me. Ugarte is bound to have some sort of impact if he plays.
We know why you want him to get more time try and make the wummery a bit less obvious
No news of him being sacked over the international break. What a shame, guess we want to throw this season too
Don't worry that will happen before season is out
Probably that or they couldn't come to a definite conclusion that ETH was solely to blame for last season's under performance and so chose to stick with him for the time being. Hence all the backing in the transfer market, changing most of the coaching staff behind him, revamping the medical staff. Now, any under performance will be down to him(and the players but that's for their own performance threads) as they can say they have provided him with enough support to not suck.
I don't believe that De Zerbi wouldn't jump at the chance to manage us especially after the season he had at Brighton and instead goes to Marseille, if we really approached him. I don't rate him much but that doesn't sound believable at all.
The manager isn't Harry Potter so Ugarte won't play it seems.