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I seriously strugle to name one aspect of football where he excel
I like both Slot and ETH and think they are both good managers but this is just too easy. Slot joined a stable club in Liverpool with a squad that's done well for years and hasn't had to change much at all. He only slightly tweaked the tactics but largely carried on Klopps work. EtH joined United and has had to deal with a tonne of crap. No vision from the club, mutiny from players, a rapist, big injury crisis, etc.. Which isn't to say EtH is the right man for the job at United but the job Slot took was so much easier it's almost beyond compare.
Remember lads, Gareth Southgate is waiting in the wings. Be careful what you wish for...
Tuchel yes is a good coach and definitely ahead of Southgate.Tuchel would have been my choice and still is, ahead of Southgate definitely.
We also have a brand new coaching team yet nothing has changed. Something is clearly not working and I predict a change in October
I gave him a pretty generous benefit of the doubt at the end of the season as I thought the FA cup win and the way was accomplished looked like progress. In the tactical sense anyway, I thought we played that game really well and was intrigued to see what might happen going forward.
That was a mistake and probably let my emotions get the better of me in all honesty.
I thought at the time he deserved a crack under INEOS and the new structure and I was wrong. No shame in admitting that.
There has been no progress and his arrogance and constant refusal to acknowledge this has just worn me down.
I don't see any scenario where he makes it to Christmas at the moment.
Honestly think if INEOS had anything about them and were ruthless he'd be gone today as he embarrassed us and himself yesterday with both the performance and the bizarrre comments afterwards.
Lucky to be 3-0 up. NoThe games leading up to the final were lucky. You couldn't get luckier than vs Conventry for instance
I posted this earlier in the thread, and it highlights what is different between ETH and a lot of the other Dutch managers:
"At Ajax, ETH set up his teams to take advntage of the other teams weaknesses, he didn't have any style of play of his own. He didn't build a team to play a certain way and force other teams to react like SAF did, or City and Liverpool have. He'd change every week to take advantage of the opposition weaknesses - he let them determine how he played. This is exactly what we see him doing here, and it's not viable.
In the Dutch league the standard is much lower, and generally Ajax have very good technical players that can adapt to the challenge of the opponent that week - this won't work at United, where we need a strong team identity, patterns of play and viable system."
He never built a strong identity or style of play at Ajax, he coasted on the tails of the club, and just adapted to the opposition. Other Dutch managers built teams with styles to beat Ajax - they developed their patterns, style, attitude etc because they had to as underdogs. This for me is why Ruud, Slot etc would.will do better than ETH who is effectively a football chamelion.
Why will they look like idiots for sacking him? Everyone wants him sacked, he’s talking broken biscuits in every interview, the players have clearly had enough. A good decision is a good decision no matter when it’s made.He needs to be sacked ASAP. It won't happen because INEOS will look like absolute idiots, but the matter of fact is that he is a dead man walking anyway. Three games in and a shit show already. Circus never ends at this club.
Spot on. Bournemouth tinned their manager (O’Neil) for an upgrade (Iraola). Fans are happy for players to be upgraded all the time. Why are managers any different?Emery took Aston Villa from relegation battle to Europe with only 1 transfer window.
I'm ready for a new start this season but it's clear that after 3 season, United still having issues breaking through press when opponents adjust or carelessness in buildup.
That's on the manager
While this could well be true (I haven't watched Ajax enough to properly judge this) and like I said ETH might not be the right man for the job, it doesn't change the fact that the Liverpool job Slot took and the United job ETH took are vastly different.I posted this earlier in the thread, and it highlights what is different between ETH and a lot of the other Dutch managers:
"At Ajax, ETH set up his teams to take advntage of the other teams weaknesses, he didn't have any style of play of his own. He didn't build a team to play a certain way and force other teams to react like SAF did, or City and Liverpool have. He'd change every week to take advantage of the opposition weaknesses - he let them determine how he played. This is exactly what we see him doing here, and it's not viable.
In the Dutch league the standard is much lower, and generally Ajax have very good technical players that can adapt to the challenge of the opponent that week - this won't work at United, where we need a strong team identity, patterns of play and viable system."
He never built a strong identity or style of play at Ajax, he coasted on the tails of the club, and just adapted to the opposition. Other Dutch managers built teams with styles to beat Ajax - they developed their patterns, style, attitude etc because they had to as underdogs. This for me is why Ruud, Slot etc would.will do better than ETH who is effectively a football chamelion.
We keep hearing best in class from the likes of Ratcliffe and I hope that he’s putting the likes of Ashworth, Berrada, and Wilcox under immense pressure this week. They’re the one’s that will ultimately have to pull the plug on Ten Hag.I gave him a pretty generous benefit of the doubt at the end of the season as I thought the FA cup win and the way was accomplished looked like progress. In the tactical sense anyway, I thought we played that game really well and was intrigued to see what might happen going forward.
That was a mistake and probably let my emotions get the better of me in all honesty.
I thought at the time he deserved a crack under INEOS and the new structure and I was wrong. No shame in admitting that.
There has been no progress and his arrogance and constant refusal to acknowledge this has just worn me down.
I don't see any scenario where he makes it to Christmas at the moment.
Honestly think if INEOS had anything about them and were ruthless he'd be gone today as he embarrassed us and himself yesterday with both the performance and the bizarrre comments afterwards.
Tuchel yes is a good coach and definitely ahead of Southgate.
I do think if we were to part ways with ETH (and he has until Christmas to show improvement)
Then we really do need a forward thinking coach.
United has the players, has the footballing structure we need the right coach and play style.
The coach needs to fit into the way INEOS wants to play, so it might not be a name we know currently.
We need personality, charisma, and a coach that pushes their players. We'll see what happens.
The behaviour on here was a contender for one of the wonders of the world.So many geniuses let the FA Cup final overwrite the absolute garbage we've seen since the Carabao.
In truth, during his entire reign we've only had about a 3 month window where we played decent (not great) football. He is our worst post-Fergie manager easily.
We all know the answer to this already, why do we have to waste another 7 games before we change? Just bring someone else in and give them those games to get up to speed with things instead.I'd want to sack him asap really, but I think it's only fair to give him at least 10 games where he has the same core and best material at his availabilty to see if his playing style actually has any meaning at all.
If we had a humiliation kink, then he'd excel in that.I seriously strugle to name one aspect of football where he excel
Emery took Aston Villa from relegation battle to Europe with only 1 transfer window.
I'm ready for a new start this season but it's clear that after 3 season, United still having issues breaking through press when opponents adjust or carelessness in buildup.
That's on the manager
I've backed him since last season but he has everything around him now, a good squad, good leadership.I’ve been a big backer of ETH but thinking he’s definitely gonna have to go now
There’s just nothing different, it’s the same mistakes over and over again and that can only be put down to him. Thought we actually looked ok for the first 20 mins or so yesterday and then as seems more the norm these days we just collapsed.
From what I watched yesterday it’s gonna take more than Ugarte alone as well to fix that midfield. Completely over run.
I wouldn’t be hanging about to Christmas either. Pull the trigger now and let Ruud have a crack at it
What did he say?
What did Bruno say? If he had a problem with Casemiro's substitution then he's also a part of the problem considering how bad he was himself.
What did Bruno say?
10th game of the season will be at Villa on October 6th (right before the International break).I'd want to sack him asap really, but I think it's only fair to give him at least 10 games where he has the same core and best material at his availabilty to see if his playing style actually has any meaning at all.
Let’s face it, losing the ball is part of a football match. Losing the ball high up the field in your own half or around the half way line shouldn’t automatically result in conceding a goal, there’s still a lot to do. But our fecking shape and positioning every time we give it away means the opposition have a run on goal almost undeterred. It’s fecking criminal."When you concede a goal you can't just point at one mistake. What's the point in saying Casemiro lost the ball or Kobbie lost the ball? They lost the ball because they wanted to be brave. It's part of football. Don't make it individual."
Maybe he's having a go at the pundits there, but I read it as a sideswipe at Ten Hag subbing Casemiro at half time - effectively laying the blame on him.
I mean this post match interview from Slot made ETH seem like a PE teacher.
I'd want to sack him asap really, but I think it's only fair to give him at least 10 games where he has the same core and best material at his availabilty to see if his playing style actually has any meaning at all.
Despite all the millions spent on players, I am not sure we have anything like a good enough group to challenge the top teams.
Goalkeeper is poor at best.
Midfield and defence, hopefully Yoro and Ugarte will be up to standard.
And we are weak upfront.
But a top coach should at least be able to challenge for a possible 4th place spot.
I mean this post match interview from Slot made ETH seem like a PE teacher.
I think we can safely say his judgement on transfers wasn't the best and shouldn't (have) be(en) his responsibility. But it's not his fault the club spent €95m on Antony when that should have been €40m tops, or €70m on Casemiro when that should have been €40m tops. The amount spent is on the ones who spent it and that's not ETH. But yes I agree he has been backed, he's got players in that he wanted and logically you'd expect to see progress by now. In my opinion we've not seen enough progress so I'm not against getting someone else in (I voted sack).While ETH had 600m to spent, 80% of the current starting XI was bought to his suit, and 2 years to iron out whatever method he wants to employ.
If that's not enough to at least make us play football resembling even midtable club then what's the point?
Really? Is it that impressive
Our squad is pretty decent really, but Ten Hag could go to Real Madrid or City and sink them.In our squad.
Yoro is potentially world class.
De Ligt I think is, especially in the right team.
Ugarte is in the top 1% for duels won so he's world class ball winner.
Martinez is top class, and one of the best ball playing defenders.
Bruno is.
Mainoo has the potential to be.
Dalot is top class too.
Shaw when fit is, but his fitness is the problem.
Garnacho has the potential.
The rest the jury is out.
We have a better squad than Villa, a better midfield and defence than Liverpool its just not coached well.
Down to Arnold with Antony, and Casemiro yes should have been 40 at best given his age.I think we can safely say his judgement on transfers wasn't the best and shouldn't (have) be(en) his responsibility. But it's not his fault the club spent €95m on Antony when that should have been €40m tops, or €70m on Casemiro when that should have been €40m tops. The amount spent is on the ones who spent it and that's not ETH. But yes I agree he has been backed, he's got players in that he wanted and logically you'd expect to see progress by now. In my opinion we've not seen enough progress so I'm not against getting someone else in (I voted sack).