Correct. The club is like Liverpool was in the 90's - too much looking backwards and a lot of fans still take that view.
The idea that you keep a failing manager on because you can't guarantee that the next man in will be an unmitigated success is insane.
There are, at any time, numerous managers who could be the next elite managers, and one or two of them will be. A well run footballing structure (which we now have - "best in class" supposedly), should be able to identify them. It's no different from picking ETH from Ajax. Obviously there are no guarantees the man picked will succeed. If he doesn't, you move him on. The game has changed and managers will rarely stay on for a decade anymore. Stability comes from structure around the club - not the manager. Well run clubs can change a manager every few years and still succeed.
The game hasn't even changed, in all eras managers staying beyond 4 or 5 seasons is a rarity. People base that view on the exceptions, not the norm.
Edit: Also longevity is the product of success not the other way around, it's an other fallacy that people follow when it comes to United.
No, it was never consistently this bad, never for such a long period of time. Not even close.The bolded part is hyperbole. It was as bad during the dying embers of Solskjaer and Jose, and under Moyes. I can't remember LvG's terror because I don't do self-harm.
Last season could, and probably should, be attributed to injuries. This is forgotten about faster than the fact we won a trophy last season, beating Klopp and Pep en route.
The worst part is him and his fans gloating about cup trophies and yet he has an absolutely abysmal record in Europe for us. 1 win in 10! Even that one win was a last minute penalty save. And yet he has the nerve to use these cups to big himself up and insinuate last season was a succes.Ten Hag FC are such an odd bunch, and I’ll never understand why they are so behind such an inept manager. It’s like arguing with flat earth’ers.
The cup wins are probably 2 of the most fortunate trophies in United’s history. We should never have been anywhere near the FA cup final. Yes, celebrating both were amazing but the latter was definitely tinged with the inevitable keeping him on, which I was dead against along with many, many others.
His latest delusional statement about lack of a LB (we all acknowledge we are short here) shows how inept he is setting up a team. It’s clear that Dalot is not a LB but we still try the same stuff, week in, week out, and have the same consequences. If ETH really is such an amazing tactician as we are been told on a daily basis, how can he not address this? Is ETH too tactical and the players are too stupid to remember and implement them?
Given my priorities as a United fan have always been League, Europe then domestic cups, to see his goal of been a cup team, then I don’t see any metric in which I feel he should remain, even if we smash Villa tomorrow. He’s comfortably, and by a long way comfortably, the worst manager in 30/40 years and is so arrogant, he is disliked on a level I’ve never comprehended until recently.
He needs to feck off and take his utterly attriticous signings with him. Long will he be remembered as the manager who made us a mid table team having made the team weaker.
I wouldn't worry about it, it was an honest mistake. @Stobzilla once pointed out to me that my joke about Puff Daddy running a nursery called Puff Daddy Day Care was inappropriate because, as we all know, he changed his name to P Diddy. Talk about me having egg on my face.Oh wow had no idea what you were on about so googled it, yeah my apologies that's terrible. It was just 2 managers that came into my head that were kicking about 20 or so years ago
Why sell Alverez a youth LB as well, when our two recognised LBs were both long term injured? Why talk up Amass another youth LB, then not even give him a try, yet give a young CM, Collyer, an half at it? TH is so deluded, you can actually believe, he believes his own tripe he spouts at the end of games.Ten Hag FC are such an odd bunch, and I’ll never understand why they are so behind such an inept manager. It’s like arguing with flat earth’ers.
The cup wins are probably 2 of the most fortunate trophies in United’s history. We should never have been anywhere near the FA cup final. Yes, celebrating both were amazing but the latter was definitely tinged with the inevitable keeping him on, which I was dead against along with many, many others.
His latest delusional statement about lack of a LB (we all acknowledge we are short here) shows how inept he is setting up a team. It’s clear that Dalot is not a LB but we still try the same stuff, week in, week out, and have the same consequences. If ETH really is such an amazing tactician as we are been told on a daily basis, how can he not address this? Is ETH too tactical and the players are too stupid to remember and implement them?
Given my priorities as a United fan have always been League, Europe then domestic cups, to see his goal of been a cup team, then I don’t see any metric in which I feel he should remain, even if we smash Villa tomorrow. He’s comfortably, and by a long way comfortably, the worst manager in 30/40 years and is so arrogant, he is disliked on a level I’ve never comprehended until recently.
He needs to feck off and take his utterly attriticous signings with him. Long will he be remembered as the manager who made us a mid table team having made the team weaker.
And to be fair, while the league cup win was great at the time, Fergie barely considered it a trophy. To be harping On about it 2 seasons later is rather embarrassingThe worst part is him and his fans gloating about cup trophies and yet he has an absolutely abysmal record in Europe for us. 1 win in 10! Even that one win was a last minute penalty save. And yet he has the nerve to use these cups to big himself up and insinuate last season was a succes.
Depressing.So after 6 PL games.. we’re:
11 points behind Liverpool with -14 worse goal difference
Wow
Yeah.Depressing.
Liverpool objectively have a far better squad than us that’s largely been settled for years under Klopp, with 3-4 world class players and no real weaknesses in any position.Bald Dutch United manager in job for 28 months spending over £600m on a lot of his old players
Bald Dutch Liverpool manager in job for 3 months spending (checks notes) £10m on Chiesa
One might be 11 points and 14+ gd behind the other 7 games into the season...
Oh no wait, I'm probably missing some Arteta factor that explains why this is acceptable and not indicative of Hag being a clueless, ridiculous, hairless fraud.
We can get Carlo then if Real get Xabi
Not really a fair statistic is it considering we have a game in hand on Liverpool?So after 6 PL games.. we’re:
11 points behind Liverpool with -14 worse goal difference
Wow
Disgraceful and embarrassing.So after 6 PL games.. we’re:
11 points behind Liverpool with -14 worse goal difference
Wow
Not really a fair statistic is it considering we have a game in hand on Liverpool?
It’s likely to be 11 points and -17 goal difference
Bald Dutch United manager in job for 28 months spending over £600m on a lot of his old players
Bald Dutch Liverpool manager in job for 3 months spending (checks notes) £10m on Chiesa
One might be 11 points and 14+ gd behind the other 7 games into the season...
Oh no wait, I'm probably missing some Arteta factor that explains why this is acceptable and not indicative of Hag being a clueless, ridiculous, hairless fraud.
ETH undoubtedly has to go but comparing him to Slot right now is dumb. ETH in his first season finished 3rd and won a cup, let’s see where Liverpool are come the end of the season. The way the wheels have fallen off under ETH since that first season should tell you it’s far too early for people to be declaring Slot as the next Klopp. Thats not aimed at you just a general observation, sick of people piping that cnut off before they’ve even started playing serious teams.
Liverpool don't have 3-4 world class players. Only two, van Dijk and Salah but they are getting old. But to be fair the "average quality" of their squad is a lot higher if you know what i mean. Having said that, for this you can easily blame ten Hag, who brought lots of awful players to the club just because they are dutch, or saw them playing in Holland or they were former Ajax players like that totally clueless Antony. However the comparison is still pointless as Slot spent only a few months in Liverpool.Liverpool objectively have a far better squad than us that’s largely been settled for years under Klopp, with 3-4 world class players and no real weaknesses in any position.
I’m as much for “ten Hag has done an awful job” as anyone but it’s a pointless comparison.
He has been impressive against weak opposition, I will say that much. But it’s far too early and he might be another dud soon enough. If I had to guess, I’d say he will never be another Klopp. More likely to be sacked this season or the next one imo.
Alisson is obviously world class as well.Liverpool don't have 3-4 world class players. Only two, van Dijk and Salah but they are getting old. But to be fair the "average quality" of their squad is a lot higher if you know what i mean. Having said that, for this you can easily blame ten Hag, who brought lots of awful players to the club just because they are dutch, or saw them playing in Holland or they were former Ajax players like that totally clueless Antony. However the comparison is still pointless as Slot spent only a few months in Liverpool.
Allison is clearly world class and I don’t think the likes of Diaz and (controversial, but when used correctly) TAA are far off either.Liverpool don't have 3-4 world class players. Only two, van Dijk and Salah but they are getting old. But to be fair the "average quality" of their squad is a lot higher if you know what i mean. Having said that, for this you can easily blame ten Hag, who brought lots of awful players to the club just because they are dutch, or saw them playing in Holland or they were former Ajax players like that totally clueless Antony. However the comparison is still pointless as Slot spent only a few months in Liverpool.
That’s a hard video to watch. Big Sam comes across as an old man searching for words and his points are basic.Pace
Power
Penetration
Unpredictability
Every training session should instill that in the side.
Wow, we have fallen so far.
What's nonsense is advocating changing regardless of who you are replacing him with. The idea that literally anybody could do better is naive at best.
Wanting to keep a manager is not the same as waiting to see who will replace him before you sack him, is not the same thing.
Replacing a failing manager with someone potentially worse is not what you'd call a clever strategy.
If there was a standout candidate willing to come in the summer he'd already be gone.
Do you wanna ignore the second goal or the fact that we cut through them with a good move that resulted in an offside goal? Or how about Onana's silly mistake that let them back in it? We won that game because we attacked really well in the first half and defended well in the second half. Not a single pundit said we were 'lucky' to win that day. City deserved nothing from that game.Yeah, so let's just ignore that our first goal which changed everything came from a hilarious mistake that happens once in 50 games.
It was a lucky win in sense that playing like that we win it 3 out of 10 times at most. We did what we had to do but let's not kid ourselves. We had, what, 25% possesion? FA cup win on the whole was extremely lucky. From the luck of the draw to that Coventry game.
Agreed. We were the better team in the final and deserved the win. The Liverpool match in the Quarters was also quite good. People tend to go on about the period during the game that they were utterly dominant, but that was only for 40 of the 120 minutes the match went for (from about the 35th minute to the 75th). For the other 80 minutes we were the better team, albeit by nowhere near as much as they were in their dominant period. Overall it could easily have gone either way and the losing team couldn't really complain about it.Do you wanna ignore the second goal or the fact that we cut through them with a good move that resulted in an offside goal? Or how about Onana's silly mistake that let them back in it? We won that game because we attacked really well in the first half and defended well in the second half. Not a single pundit said we were 'lucky' to win that day. City deserved nothing from that game.
You can want EtH out all you want, and I think he cannot complain about getting sacked because it's been terrible, but we don't have to revise stuff and say he was purely lucky to beat CIty in the cup final. It was a good performance and every United fan should have been proud of that.
Exactly. The FA Cup final win was not fecking lucky. We actually managed to dominate City. It was a great performance, especially in the first half.Agreed. We were the better team in the final and deserved the win. The Liverpool match in the Quarters was also quite good. People tend to go on about the period during the game that they were utterly dominant, but that was only for 40 of the 120 minutes the match went for (from about the 35th minute to the 75th). For the other 80 minutes we were the better team, albeit by nowhere near as much as they were in their dominant period. Overall it could easily have gone either way and the losing team couldn't really complain about it.
On the flip side, the Coventry match in between them was one of the most embarrassing matches, with ETH being completely outmanaged in terms of in-game decisions by someone who had never managed above the Championship level. We dominated the first half, then they changed their tactics at halftime and were the better team for most of the second half and extra time.
Exactly. Why can’t he just play like that in every match? He’s shown that he can adapt when he wants to. It’s infuriating.ETH tweaked the set up, with the players input , and we played to our strengths against City in , comfortably, our best overall performance of that season.
ETH seems to have learnt little from that game though.
Annoyingly.
No, you're missing the point. Without proper thought and a good candidate it could be an utter disaster. The fact were really only had two successful managers shows it's not an easy role to fill.
This club is a monster, it flattens players and managers. It's not a matter of just get anybody in.
This. We need to get this appointment right. It’s a crucial decision.No, you're missing the point. Without proper thought and a good candidate it could be an utter disaster. The fact were really only had two successful managers shows it's not an easy role to fill.
This club is a monster, it flattens players and managers. It's not a matter of just get anybody in.
Still, better than the time that Diddy was on it.I wouldn't worry about it, it was an honest mistake. @Stobzilla once pointed out to me that my joke about Puff Daddy running a nursery called Puff Daddy Day Care was inappropriate because, as we all know, he changed his name to P Diddy. Talk about me having egg on my face.
the crazy thing about the Coventry game was how we went from complete control to just collapsing and not really full recovering. looked out of ideas and hanging on in extra time.Agreed. We were the better team in the final and deserved the win. The Liverpool match in the Quarters was also quite good. People tend to go on about the period during the game that they were utterly dominant, but that was only for 40 of the 120 minutes the match went for (from about the 35th minute to the 75th). For the other 80 minutes we were the better team, albeit by nowhere near as much as they were in their dominant period. Overall it could easily have gone either way and the losing team couldn't really complain about it.
On the flip side, the Coventry match in between them was one of the most embarrassing matches, with ETH being completely outmanaged in terms of in-game decisions by someone who had never managed above the Championship level. We dominated the first half, then they changed their tactics at halftime and were the better team for most of the second half and extra time.
Because he's a stubborn and egotistical boob. His job and a trophy was on the line though so his had to give in-in some way.Exactly. Why can’t he just play like that in every match? He’s shown that he can adapt when he wants to. It’s infuriating.
