Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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The most nauseating thing about these quotes is that I can actually believe that it really is quiet inside the club and he really is safe. Followed closely by how arrogant this fraud is
Agreed. Would show an alarming lack of logical decision making skills
Have genuinely no idea how this will play out.
I want and demand to know, what is this plan you are sticking to?
Well, the club certainly doesn't resemble the forum. Nothing is gained from going in circles on this all day long in the club's offices and training grounds. You'd certainly have to hope the club's management don't co stantly talk about this outside a few specific meetings.
So true, it's so fecking depressing.
It might not look great, but once INEOS came onboard I always looked at it with two things in mind: Mistakes will be made, and INEOS should be judged long term.
We weren't going to get this season to where we really want to be - challenging for major honours, etc - so even if it takes more time than people want or expect, the thing that really matters is if we'll get there three or four years down the line.
Obviously there are question marks over the way they handled the managerial situation, but I'm willing to give them some leeway. Maybe they looked at the available options in the summer and decided that even if some of them might do better than ETH, it's far from a sure thing and it wouldn't be worth it rocking the boat like that at that time, when Berrada and Ashworth weren't still on board. That it would be better to let them come in, and then we'll be in a better position to bring in a new manager if it doesn't work with ETH. I think it makes sense.
There are questions and questions marks, but if, say, the time they bought in the last few months helps us get the right manager in - and Berrada and Ashworth are key players in this - then it could work for our benefit long term.
A loss or draw tomorrow surely, I mean surely isn't something INEOS can continue with him after. At some point he will have to start building momentum and getting results considering where we are in the table. They've given given him hopefully one final easy enough run at saving his job, which is absolutely ridiculous of course, but goes without saying why that is at this point.
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Yeah the arrogance demonstrated is so grating because knows full well he's safe as houses
A quote from the legendary meme video about sticking things for EtH: "You can stick it up your own, asshole"!
It is a disgrace that we have to "stick" to this misery and knowing the outcome.
It is a disgrace that we have to "stick" to this misery and knowing the outcome.
But the plan is shite Eric! unless the plan is to skirt relegation
Honestly, since April he's been on the worst media run I've seen from any manager. Just so nauseating. Even more than his tactics or our play on the pitch, his attitude is just so annoying. What's worse is that he's been coming up with ridiculous quotes every time he tries to defend himself, yet our fans are so focused on " the media is ABU", that they aren't witnessing the level of disrespect keeps displaying. United and Liverpool are the only clubs that a manager can get away with this nonsense, which is why its no surprise that both clubs have had the types of droughts we've had. You don't challenge for trophies sticking with failing managers for long stretches of time. Like Liverpool in the 90s, our PR and British media are so focused on shaming players, that they can't recognize that you can't challenge for titles with Graeme Souness and Roy Evans as your manager. Not understanding that the "Spice Boys" weren't the cause of Liverpool's failure, but keeping Souness and Roy Evans was, is why Liverpool spent decades barely challenging for trophies. Like them, as a club we are guilty of wasting players like McManaman and Fowler's careers (Bruno, Pogba).
We shtick to the plan.
Yeah, it's a really bad way to navigate a football club.
Patience is indeed needed but in difference roles specifically to the sporting director one. That's why SJR said 'they only started working in July'. Football had changed alot since the 80s and the manager role had been seriously dumbed down. The days when CEOs didn't even know how much salary rival managers were paid are over. These days many CEOs had made their bones in the football world. Then there's the sporting director who take care of the most 'brain' intensive roles (vision, transfer strategy, making all departments work together in an efficient manner). Meanwhile the academy is also made independent from the first team and given its own aims, its own budget and its own people to lead it.
Modern managers focus mostly on tactics and morale. However even in these two areas they are hugely aided. There are set piece coaches who takes care of set pieces, goalkeeper coaches who take care of goalkeepers, assistant managers with huge CVs who aid him in training, technical directors who take care of the technical stuff and help the transitioning of academy players to first team, data analysts who spoon feed the coaching staff with tons of information about the team and the opposition and an army of medical people and psychologists who help him choose the fittest players and to keep morale up. It's nowhere near to the big role SAF had in the 90s were he was the head of the football pyramid with a clueless Edwards being the head of the business and with Sir Bobby acting as the voice of reason between the two.
I am not suggesting that head coaches (cause that's what they are these days) shouldn't be given time. Tactics are sometimes difficult to understand and implement especially if those who brought the head coach in were stupid enough to hire someone whose philosophy goes completely against the strengths of the squad. However it shouldn't take years either. We had zero progression despite having an almost Dutch speaking team. Surely the likes of Onana, De Ligt, Martinez, Mazraioui, Eriksen, Antony and Zirkzee don't need years to understand ETH's 'game'. Same can be said about players he either promoted (Mainoo, Garnacho etc) or he brought in (Casemiro, Ugarte etc). Yet what we're witnessing is the same old injury crisis (with persistent rumors regarding ETH's heavy handed training), the same tumescent style of football and the same diabolical form both in the EPL and in Europe. To add insult to injury we're now reverting to Ole ball with Evans and Maguire which is hilarious considering that ETH had spent so much on that defense to bring his own men in.
Just always seems to be “stick to the plan” or “turn the corner” etc.
It’s been largely 18 months of pure garbage and I don’t even know what the plan is, even if there is one, we can’t seem to maintain it.
It’s been largely 18 months of pure garbage and I don’t even know what the plan is, even if there is one, we can’t seem to maintain it.
That's the cool part, there isn't one
This guy irritates me so much. He talks in bs bingo. He’s also absolutely deluded if he thinks that the stats are showing in a good direction. I hope that INEOS are looking at these things themselves and not listening to his horseshit.
The club never said that was the approach though, and in all likelihood it’s 100% made up by hack journo’s looking for clicks on their story.
I'd really like some of the hopium that ETH is on. Keeps talking about the need to 'stick to the plan'. So far I haven't seen any evidence that we are working on something that will eventually lead us to 'turning a corner'.
Honestly, if he just took some responsibility, I'd have a modicum of sympathy for him.
Honestly, if he just took some responsibility, I'd have a modicum of sympathy for him.
We to judge them long term but they made a huge error sticking with ETH. As you said there were no guarantees anyone would do better but ETH was far from a sure thing himself. The most likely outcome to him staying was that all his problems would just continue which is exactly as it has played out.
In terms of rocking the boat again the most likely cause of instability was persisting with a manager on the verge of the sack. You can’t sell a project when the manger is the bookies favourite to go and is managing game to game.
If they brought in someone else there is a good chance we wouldn’t be this bad and even if we were it would be viewed as more of a bad start and a new project rather than the same shitshow of the last 18 months.
The mess they have made of the managerial situation feels like they just tried to postpone the decision for a year which is concerning.
He would still survive.
I seriously hate him! He's taking the piss out of everyone!
Shut up Erik, you’re boring! Everything that comes out this guys mouth irritates me at this point.
Watch our fans at OT clap him off tomorrow while he drops more points again,
Have some faith, Arthur!
Although I dont like his pressers in the last 6 months, the way he is speaking and just pure bullsh**, he isn't lying here is he?
The noise is all coming from the media pushing the agenda about his job, internally he is not under the same pressue?
Look at the board meeting United had, journalists were in attendance and they were going on about as if its a Ten Hag review meeting.
We didn't see this level of scrutiny for Chelsea managers in the last 2 years.
It sounds like he actually believes that last season was a good one. Because of the cup win.
Like taking home trophies in the form of league / carabao erases all the embarrassment endured in Europe.
Like taking home trophies in the form of league / carabao erases all the embarrassment endured in Europe.
It's nonsense. It leads to absolutely nothing long term.
I don't think it is at all. They were already looking for a new manager in the summer but stuck with him. I genuinely think he's on borrowed time and after the next run of defeats he will be gone. He clearly isn't going to be here medium to long term so what is the point of keeping him. We are absolutely bloody woeful.
Either the players have been ignoring the plan (whatever that means)
or
The "plan" is not working
No the 'Noise' ie the speculation surrounding his job is stemming from his teams dogshit performances and results.
About improving the attack, he actually said "the players do well" and "we won last season, maybe you forgot"
He actually is deluded, isn't he.
He actually is deluded, isn't he.
This time he said we have to climb a mountain.
Why don’t these journalists ever ask him what the feck “the plan” actually is?
Yeah, because of injuries.This time he said we have to climb a mountain.
I asked that too.
He's so predictable that I can probably guess what his answer would be. Something like "The plan is to stick together and to focus on the objective of this club"
Stick together as a group. Transitions. Process. Big club.
Can you imagine how boring his team talks and training ground talks must be. They have to hear this bollocks all the time.
Philosophies, Plans, Processes
Ten hag is annoying now me now as much as LVG with the utter bollox that comes out of his mouth.
Ten hag is annoying now me now as much as LVG with the utter bollox that comes out of his mouth.
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