Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

[Sarni]

On the contrary, not judging people's personality on how they appear in interviews and press conferences seems like a totally normal thing to me.

It happens all over the place. You go to a US politics thread and people have views on Trump, go to Musk’s thread and people will talk about his character there. I’m pretty sure most of them will not have spent substantial amount of time with them in a room, and will be judging based on what they’ve seen/heard in media and interviews.

Also happens so often with our rivals and their players. We pass judgments on them based on what they say/do and how it’s portrayed in media and nobody comes in and says ‘you should not say anything negative about X before you’ve spent y hours with them face to face’.

 

[Zed 101]

It happens all over the place. You go to a US politics thread and people have views on Trump, go to Musk’s thread and people will talk about his character there. I’m pretty sure most of them will not have spent substantial amount of time with them in a room, and will be judging based on what they’ve seen/heard in media and interviews.

Also happens so often with our rivals and their players. We pass judgments on them based on what they say/do and how it’s portrayed in media and nobody comes in and says ‘you should not say anything negative about X before you’ve spent y hours with them face to face’.

So are you saying that Donald Trump is actually a really great guy if you get to know him? (If so I really have no words, that the guy is actually running for president, and has support, and is not in jail, simply makes me lose all faith in the future of humanity)

In addition with both Trump and Musk, both have made decisions which are far reaching and have affected many people, it is reasonable for people to form opinions based on how they, or other people have been affected.

Also given the unavailability of these people, who have made themselves into public entities, how else would people form opinions? and given that they are choosing to project this version of themselves publicly is there a reason that they should not be judged on this basis?

There has to be an acceptance and a responsibility for people who are in the public eye that they take some ownership of how they are portrayed.

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

It happens all over the place. You go to a US politics thread and people have views on Trump, go to Musk’s thread and people will talk about his character there. I’m pretty sure most of them will not have spent substantial amount of time with them in a room, and will be judging based on what they’ve seen/heard in media and interviews.

Also happens so often with our rivals and their players. We pass judgments on them based on what they say/do and how it’s portrayed in media and nobody comes in and says ‘you should not say anything negative about X before you’ve spent y hours with them face to face’.

I didn’t suggest it was an absolute. Just that other people’s approach may differ, and offered mine as an example.

I didn’t say I was right and you were wrong either

And to be clear, I’m talking specifically about making judgements on people’s character.

 

[Musclehead]

The vast majority of people on this forum understand this.
The issue is that INEOS don't seem to get this. And it is quite astounding.
Right now, everybody (players and manager) is in limbo, not knowing what is going to happen. This is a terrible way to run a club.

INEOS are paying the bills and looking at a close to 17 million outlay for nothing. I believe they would have to get very deep in the CL and League to make up some of those lost pounds. They are between a rock and hard place, should have never resigned him.
Have to be cognizant that with sports teams there is the operations and the finance which should run somewhat independent of each other. The operations should have oversight and finance more on the advising end. This team has run it ass end backwards since SAF left, hence why we are where we are.
Does it make sense to keep Casemero and let McTominay go? However McTominay being homegrown is pure to the bottom line, I did like Casemero 5-6 yrs ago, but a 27 yr old 6'4" player who has probably 4 or 5 yrs left to play vs a 32 yr old 6'1" player who is gearing for the MLS duty and spends more time on the bench at this point emphasis the decisions they are making. They have no hope in hell of recouping the outlay for Casemero.
The fear at this point is how much say ETH has with future decisions. This team has been grasping for over 10 yrs since signing Fellaini and that has been exasperated with the inability to bring in a top striker. Martial, how this guy lasted longer than a week is baffling. Really how is it that Manchester United has not had a top current striker for over 10 yrs? It absolutely defies logic. Forget the "past the prime guys", I am talking up and coming star striker that Real, or Juv or Barcelona would be jealous of?

 

[Sarni]

So are you saying that Donald Trump is actually a really great guy if you get to know him? (If so I really have no words, that the guy is actually running for president, and has support, and is not in jail, simply makes me lose all faith in the future of humanity)

In addition with both Trump and Musk, both have made decisions which are far reaching and have affected many people, it is reasonable for people to form opinions based on how they, or other people have been affected.

Also given the unavailability of these people, who have made themselves into public entities, how else would people form opinions? and given that they are choosing to project this version of themselves publicly is there a reason that they should not be judged on this basis?

There has to be an acceptance and a responsibility for people who are in the public eye that they take some ownership of how they are portrayed.

I'm not saying that at all, actually the opposite. People are going to judge others by how they come across in the only space they can see them in, in this case it's going to be media/interviews. It's a normal thing.

 

[Garnacho Libre]

So are you saying that Donald Trump is actually a really great guy if you get to know him? (If so I really have no words, that the guy is actually running for president, and has support, and is not in jail, simply makes me lose all faith in the future of humanity)

In addition with both Trump and Musk, both have made decisions which are far reaching and have affected many people, it is reasonable for people to form opinions based on how they, or other people have been affected.

Also given the unavailability of these people, who have made themselves into public entities, how else would people form opinions? and given that they are choosing to project this version of themselves publicly is there a reason that they should not be judged on this basis?

There has to be an acceptance and a responsibility for people who are in the public eye that they take some ownership of how they are portrayed.

I get what you're saying but they aren't really the same thing.

One is politics and American politics at that which has a huge impact on most of the world. The other is a man who is trying to be successful at a football club and deals with politics of two sets of owners after years of neglect and after previous world class managers who couldn't make it work. Yes, money was spent - money was spent with all managers. Maybe it won't work out but maybe it will. What choice do they really have now? He's tied down only 2 months with an extension on his contract and he isn't going anywhere for at least the short term.

Where I do agree, he's in the public eye - when things are bad, he looks stupid and incompetent. When he was doing well he was labelled a ''genius'', all in the space of a season. As fans, we act emotionally (we all do). Personally, whether it's right or wrong to keep him - the club needs calm right now.


We all want the same thing - we want the club to be back at the top - it's a roller-coaster with ups and downs. Hopefully it starts going up again soon.

 

[soapythecat]

Maybe the club believe ETh, McClaren, Benni and Our own Dalot when they say it’s about to click. But there must be something in this for them to say it. Similarly, the INEOS team are seeing things on the training ground that they are buying it too. But come on, we haven’t looked like clicking for a full 90 minutes once in his tenure here. The regression is more apparent and increase the more we spend - it’s a spiral of football incompetence that has never been seen at this level before in the PL I’d go as far of saying. When he started I swore I’d back him until the deadwood and down toolers from previous managers were gone and a proper rebuild had happened. The rebuild has happened and we are a lot worse. He has zero excuse and unless we start winning, and winning with good football, then match going fans will turn. Comfortably our worst manager in PL history and beyond maybe.

 

[Garnacho Libre]

Maybe the club believe ETh, McClaren, Benni and Our own Dalot when they say it’s about to click. But there must be something in this for them to say it. Similarly, the INEOS team are seeing things on the training ground that they are buying it too. But come on, we haven’t looked like clicking for a full 90 minutes once in his tenure here. The regression is more apparent and increase the more we spend - it’s a spiral of football incompetence that has never been seen at this level before in the PL I’d go as far of saying. When he started I swore I’d back him until the deadwood and down toolers from previous managers were gone and a proper rebuild had happened. The rebuild has happened and we are a lot worse. He has zero excuse and unless we start winning, and winning with good football, then match going fans will turn. Comfortably our worst manager in PL history and beyond maybe.

McClaren and Benni are gone. I saw an interview with Benni last week and he said the training was a very high standard and when it came to a match, the players couldn't do it. I don't see a reason for him to lie. He was let go by United and had no reason to be loyal and back them. I think he was honest. If that's a case, the biggest problem is mentality. Can another manager fix that? We've had proven world class managers with elite mentality and they couldn't get the ball rolling for more than a season. This is where I would defend Ten Hag. He could be doing everything right and to a high standard. Just when it kicks off on matchday it goes to shite.

 

[stevoc]

I want us to win on the weekend but won't lie if we draw or lose or get trashed I won't help but think that it's hilarious

Hope for the best and prepare to laugh at the worst. Because if you didn't you'd cry.

 

[golden_blunder]

I get what you're saying but they aren't really the same thing.

One is politics and American politics at that which has a huge impact on most of the world. The other is a man who is trying to be successful at a football club and deals with politics of two sets of owners after years of neglect and after previous world class managers who couldn't make it work. Yes, money was spent - money was spent with all managers. Maybe it won't work out but maybe it will. What choice do they really have now? He's tied down only 2 months with an extension on his contract and he isn't going anywhere for at least the short term.

Where I do agree, he's in the public eye - when things are bad, he looks stupid and incompetent. When he was doing well he was labelled a ''genius'', all in the space of a season. As fans, we act emotionally (we all do). Personally, whether it's right or wrong to keep him - the club needs calm right now.


We all want the same thing - we want the club to be back at the top - it's a roller-coaster with ups and downs. Hopefully it starts going up again soon.

I would argue that the club will not be in a calm state whilst ETH remains there. He is an always one bad result away from the boot. Removing him would immediately inject some hope and positivity around the club, even if it’s only an interim until the club identify their next manager

 

[LawCharltonBest]

It's ok. We will hire a specialist coach for "not letting the opposition run straight through us" in the summer. Replace Hake with another generic Dutchman. Next season we'll be slightly less average. Let's fecking go!!!

 

[MadDogg]

INEOS are paying the bills and looking at a close to 17 million outlay for nothing. I believe they would have to get very deep in the CL and League to make up some of those lost pounds. They are between a rock and hard place, should have never resigned him.

Simply making the CL next season easily makes up the £17m with plenty left over. Hell, we instantly lose £10m just from the Adidas sponsorship when we don't make the CL. Other sponsors likely have similar (albeit smaller) clauses in their contract. That's not to mention the significant tv money while in the CL, the higher attendance income, and simply the extra prizemoney at the end of the season purely for finishing higher up in the PL table. All up, not making the CL next season will probably cost us something along the lines of £40m (and that's just making the group stages, it'd be higher if we could go deeper into the tournament).

 

[stevoc]

Two wrongs don't make a right in cases like this unfortunately. Keeping him at the wheel after you have lost faith in him is even more amateurish. Keeping him for 10-15 more games would do a lot more damage than looking like amateurs.

I don't disagree but it's hard to gauge Ineos' priorities right now. Is their motivation to put the best of the club above all else or do they take a chance to try and save some face before inevitably having to publicly admit they dropped a clanger with their first big decision in charge of Manchester United?

Who knows. But there must be some reason Ten Hag came out of the international break still in a job.

 

[MadDogg]

We've had proven world class managers with elite mentality and they couldn't get the ball rolling for more than a season.

When?

We had two managers who had been world class previously, but both were clearly past their best and weren't up to the job anymore. Hell, even when he was at his best one of those managers normally could only get two years out of his clubs before everything went to shit under him.

 

[Nole]

My Liverpool mate is saying we should be keeping him to a lifetime contract as he needs to feed his family, that says it all. I find Erik Ten Hag extremely unlikeable. He is never accountable for his actions. Stubborn, Uncharismatic, Boring. Maybe it seems to be a Dutch thing which I have noticed from Louis Van Gaal he is very stubborn in his approach but at least with Louis Van Gaal, he is quite entertaining in interviews and is adept in big matches.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Hope for the best and prepare to laugh at the worst. Because if you didn't you'd cry.

Exactly

 

[Cheimoon]

It happens all over the place. You go to a US politics thread and people have views on Trump, go to Musk’s thread and people will talk about his character there. I’m pretty sure most of them will not have spent substantial amount of time with them in a room, and will be judging based on what they’ve seen/heard in media and interviews.

Also happens so often with our rivals and their players. We pass judgments on them based on what they say/do and how it’s portrayed in media and nobody comes in and says ‘you should not say anything negative about X before you’ve spent y hours with them face to face’.

Yeah, maybe I should have said 'logical' instead of 'normal'. Cause you're right, people do this all the time. I still think they shouldn't, but anyway.

 

[Garnacho Libre]

I would argue that the club will not be in a calm state whilst ETH remains there. He is an always one bad result away from the boot. Removing him would immediately inject some hope and positivity around the club, even if it’s only an interim until the club identify their next manager

Every other manager has too, though. Do we really want to keep doing this every two or three seasons and no league title in sight? I'm not saying Ten Hag is the right man, I just can't name someone right now who is. Honestly the only manager who might would be Ancelotti and he isn't going anywhere. I'm just hoping that it will eventually ''click''. It's hard defending a manager when results are so poor but at this point it feels like groundhog day with managers.

When?

We had two managers who had been world class previously, but both were clearly past their best and weren't up to the job anymore. Hell, even when he was at his best one of those managers normally could only get two years out of his clubs before everything went to shit under him.

At the time, LVG was the best available out there. As was Mourihno. There isn't a huge amount of world class managers out there and available or might have turned down United because of the underlining problems that are now hopefully being resolved.

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Before anyone thinks I'm deluded and trying to make out Ten Hag is the right man, I'm not. I just think after countless managers, stick with one through all the shite because I am sick of seeing rotation of managers and them getting their players in and then another new manager in 2 seasons with their new players and it's all just a repeat of the same old.

Time will tell for sure. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

[moses]

How is it 'back' is creeping up? Whats happened to make folks change their mind?

I'd say it's just out of curiosity or devilment as to how the hardcore will react to a movement of a fraction of a percentage on a meaningless internet poll.

 

[Apokalips]

Every other manager has too, though. Do we really want to keep doing this every two or three seasons and no league title in sight? I'm not saying Ten Hag is the right man, I just can't name someone right now who is. Honestly the only manager who might would be Ancelotti and he isn't going anywhere. I'm just hoping that it will eventually ''click''. It's hard defending a manager when results are so poor but at this point it feels like groundhog day with managers.

At the time, LVG was the best available out there. As was Mourihno. There isn't a huge amount of world class managers out there and available or might have turned down United because of the underlining problems that are now hopefully being resolved.

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Before anyone thinks I'm deluded and trying to make out Ten Hag is the right man, I'm not. I just think after countless managers, stick with one through all the shite because I am sick of seeing rotation of managers and them getting their players in and then another new manager in 2 seasons with their new players and it's all just a repeat of the same old.

Time will tell for sure. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Literally every club cycles through managers until they find one that does well, it is just normal and nowhere near as dramatic as some of you like to act it is. You would have said the same about Ancelotti for any club, yet Leverkusen brought in Xabi Alonso and won the league title a few years later, same story at many clubs who progress under new stewardship. It is not a problem if a coach comes in, does a bad job and then is replaced...what IS a problem is when we act indecisively about his underperformance and have fans wanting us to make decisions based off of hope for miracles rather than logical sense. That is when it becomes toxic and tiring, while at other clubs they simply swiftly replace the guy who is not performing up to par and move one. Our fans make sacking a manager out to be like we are torturing the bloke, it is just a normal part of football just like selling players.

Sticking with what you KNOW does not work is literally the most illogical thing I can think of, especially if the reasons are just blind hope and this weird fatigued mentality of 'we can't keep doing this' when literally everyone else can and does. What are we supposed to do? Stick with a failing manager and just keep buying more and more players until hopefully the sheer talent on the pitch outweighs his poor instructions? What logical reason and actual benefit does sticking with a failing manager have? Fans don't have the same logic with players, if our keeper lets in 3 soft goals a game then there would be no hesitation to call for his head.

I don't blame some of our supporters because all a lot of us know is the comfort blanket of Fergie, so some find it hard to think normally about the club compared to their outlook on other clubs. United fans are basically like rich kids who never realised normal people have to go and get jobs to make money.

 

[Garnacho Libre]

Literally every club cycles through managers until they find one that does well, it is just normal and nowhere near as dramatic as some of you like to act it is. You would have said the same about Ancelotti for any club, yet Leverkusen brought in Xabi Alonso and won the league title a few years later, same story at many clubs who progress under new stewardship. It is not a problem if a coach comes in, does a bad job and then is replaced...what IS a problem is when we act indecisively about his underperformance and have fans wanting us to make decisions based off of hope for miracles rather than logical sense. That is when it becomes toxic and tiring, while at other clubs they simply swiftly replace the guy who is not performing up to par and move one. Our fans make sacking a manager out to be like we are torturing the bloke, it is just a normal part of football just like selling players.

Sticking with what you KNOW does not work is literally the most illogical thing I can think of, especially if the reasons are just blind hope and this weird fatigued mentality of 'we can't keep doing this' when literally everyone else can and does. What are we supposed to do? Stick with a failing manager and just keep buying more and more players until hopefully the sheer talent on the pitch outweighs his poor instructions? What logical reason and actual benefit does sticking with a failing manager have? Fans don't have the same logic with players, if our keeper lets in 3 soft goals a game then there would be no hesitation to call for his head.

I don't blame some of our supporters because all a lot of us know is the comfort blanket of Fergie, so some find it hard to think normally about the club compared to their outlook on other clubs. United fans are basically like rich kids who never realised normal people have to go and get jobs to make money.

Most clubs do, yes. But United have underlying problems that other big clubs have less of or don't have. Everton or Villa going through managers is different than a big club going through managers.

What we all can agree on is United need calm and a lot of thought. I do not know if Ten Hag is the right man for that - what I do know is I don't see much alternatives than we can all say ''X would do a better job and build for the future etc..''

The point I bolded in your reply. 100% agree. I sure as hell am guilty of that. I think a club like United from our history, having two really successful periods, came under two long term managers. We are talking what, almost 50 years of success that is down to two managers.

I think the other thing is, behind the scenes - we don't know what's going on. Benni did an interview and he said everything in training was professional and to a high level and it all changed on matchday.

In regards to your questions. Without sounding weird, I think calmness is the answer. Then again, it's always nice to give out about something and boy is it easy to give out about United right now

 

[MadDogg]

Every other manager has too, though. Do we really want to keep doing this every two or three seasons and no league title in sight? I'm not saying Ten Hag is the right man, I just can't name someone right now who is. Honestly the only manager who might would be Ancelotti and he isn't going anywhere. I'm just hoping that it will eventually ''click''. It's hard defending a manager when results are so poor but at this point it feels like groundhog day with managers.

At the time, LVG was the best available out there. As was Mourihno. There isn't a huge amount of world class managers out there and available or might have turned down United because of the underlining problems that are now hopefully being resolved.

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Before anyone thinks I'm deluded and trying to make out Ten Hag is the right man, I'm not. I just think after countless managers, stick with one through all the shite because I am sick of seeing rotation of managers and them getting their players in and then another new manager in 2 seasons with their new players and it's all just a repeat of the same old.

Time will tell for sure. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

We were hopeful that LVG and Mourinho might still be able to do what they could at their peak, but there was already serious question marks over both. In both cases we were proven mistaken, as seen by everything that happened afterwards (LVG never managing a club side again, Mourinho having to drop to a lesser team at every stage and continuing to fail at them all).

We haven't had countless managers. We've had five. In the same period of time Real Madrid have had seven (admittedly two of them left and then came back so five unique managers). Barcelona have had eight. Bayern have had eight. PSG six. All much, much more successful than us in that period, but when a manager isn't working out they move him on quickly instead of letting the manager drag them further and further down.

The managers we signed simply weren't good enough. Two of them had never been good enough. Two of them had once been good enough, but were past their best and weren't anymore. One, and only one, was of the right type of profile of somebody on the way up (ETH). That one failed to take the step up at a top team, but so what. Many managers fail to take that step (you only have to look at the managers that the teams I listed above had). It wasn't something that was unique to us. In saying that, we compounded those managers not being good enough by also picking ones that were quite different than the one who came before, meaning they did tend to want quite different types of players. That doesn't mean you just stop bothering to change managers again. You just do it smarter.

 

[Rista]

Every other manager has too, though. Do we really want to keep doing this every two or three seasons and no league title in sight? I'm not saying Ten Hag is the right man, I just can't name someone right now who is. Honestly the only manager who might would be Ancelotti and he isn't going anywhere. I'm just hoping that it will eventually ''click''. It's hard defending a manager when results are so poor but at this point it feels like groundhog day with managers.

At the time, LVG was the best available out there. As was Mourihno. There isn't a huge amount of world class managers out there and available or might have turned down United because of the underlining problems that are now hopefully being resolved.

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Before anyone thinks I'm deluded and trying to make out Ten Hag is the right man, I'm not. I just think after countless managers, stick with one through all the shite because I am sick of seeing rotation of managers and them getting their players in and then another new manager in 2 seasons with their new players and it's all just a repeat of the same old.

Time will tell for sure. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

There's a reason no big club just "sticks with a manager through all the shite". There's a reason no big club would still have Ten Hag in job. To persist with a proven failure because of what happened in the past is nonsensical logic. What fans need to learn is that chaning managers is just a normal process in football. We haven't had "countless of managers". Even the most successful clubs change managers more often on average. Are you sick of signing players too?

 

[stevoc]

Every other manager has too, though. Do we really want to keep doing this every two or three seasons and no league title in sight? I'm not saying Ten Hag is the right man, I just can't name someone right now who is. Honestly the only manager who might would be Ancelotti and he isn't going anywhere. I'm just hoping that it will eventually ''click''. It's hard defending a manager when results are so poor but at this point it feels like groundhog day with managers.

At the time, LVG was the best available out there. As was Mourihno. There isn't a huge amount of world class managers out there and available or might have turned down United because of the underlining problems that are now hopefully being resolved.

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Before anyone thinks I'm deluded and trying to make out Ten Hag is the right man, I'm not. I just think after countless managers, stick with one through all the shite because I am sick of seeing rotation of managers and them getting their players in and then another new manager in 2 seasons with their new players and it's all just a repeat of the same old.

Time will tell for sure. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Stick with him for how long though? 3-6 Years?

What happens if we get to the end of the 6 years and we're still shit? Just give the next manager 6 years as well?

McClaren and Benni are gone. I saw an interview with Benni last week and he said the training was a very high standard and when it came to a match, the players couldn't do it. I don't see a reason for him to lie. He was let go by United and had no reason to be loyal and back them. I think he was honest. If that's a case, the biggest problem is mentality. Can another manager fix that? We've had proven world class managers with elite mentality and they couldn't get the ball rolling for more than a season. This is where I would defend Ten Hag. He could be doing everything right and to a high standard. Just when it kicks off on matchday it goes to shite.

The fact that it regularly goes to shite on matchday would suggest he is not doing everything right and/or to a high standard though.

Ten Hag has now signed/promoted all but 6 members of the current squad. So if there's a problem with the squad, it's mentality, hunger, attitude. etc. Then that's on Ten Hag more than anyone. He's either sigmning the wrong personalities and/or he doesnt know how to build a winning mentality/culture at the club.

 

[BigRedSwede]

Yep like I said before, if he was managing any other team in the prem we'd all be staggered by just how unlikeable he is.

Imagine if he was at Liverpool, we would laugh our as##s off and pray that he was given more time.

 

[TsuWave]

How is it 'back' is creeping up? Whats happened to make folks change their mind?

Last gasp draw against Porto, and managed to hold on vs Villa. Also, passage of time

 

[Shark]

Everything around the club is incredibly grim. We're not only stuck with a failed manager for God knows how much longer, but we appear to be picking up injuries again under him.

 

[DSG]

Inspiring stuff, but is it relevant?

We all wanted a new structure but this one has too many voices for you? I thought the lack of authoritative football voices was the issue. We are after all a football club.

The reports of the four voting on Ten Hag’s performance with two for keeping and two for sacking, if true, are worrisome. It is management by committee, and that tends to be less decisive.

 

[laughtersassassin]

It's funny seeing people state we should be giving our managers more time when in actual fact I in our post Fergie era we are giving them way too much time.

The other big clubs would have hired and sacked like 3-5 more managers than us in that time if they did as bad as we have done.

It's a cruel game but managers simply must be sacked when it's obvious they can't do the job and with our managers it's often very fecking obvious months or even years before they actually get sacked.

TLDR: Time to start being cutthroat if we want to get anywhere.

 

[DSG]

Also, the irony of a forumite offering advice on how to be successful in the the world of capitalism to a billionaire petrochemical tycoon...

Ironic how? I mean, there is not a single qualified Caf member that has been a PL manager and more experience than Ten Hag, yet we have all kinds of opinions on his tactics, substitutions, transfers….

Secondly, there are many many billionaires who ventured into new industries and markets and failed completely… Has Sir Jim won a major title in football yet? Elon Musk buying Twitter has been an unmitigated disaster, and he’s been heavily criticized by many non-billionaires.

Thirdly, Sir Jim is competing against other billionaires who have won major titles. This is a very high bar to clear.

Who knows, maybe it’s a brilliant structure and we’ll end up winning 10 straight PL titles. But, maybe, just maybe, Sir Jim got this wrong. We’re in 14th at the moment, so…

 

[Leftback99]

Everything around the club is incredibly grim. We're not only stuck with a failed manager for God knows how much longer, but we appear to be picking up injuries again under him.

It pretty much is at the moment isn't it

Terrible football
Stuck with a manager completely out of his depth
Distinctly average squad with none of the leagues best players
Multiple injuries
Big financial losses every year
INEOS looking underwhelming at best

 

[Shark]

It pretty much is at the moment isn't it

Terrible football
Stuck with a manager completely out of his depth
Distinctly average squad with none of the leagues best players
Multiple injuries
Big financial losses every year
INEOS looking underwhelming at best

The club needed a big lift during the International break, and they've just not read the room at all and are plowing on

 

[moses]

The reports of the four voting on Ten Hag’s performance with two for keeping and two for sacking, if true, are worrisome. It is management by committee, and that tends to be less decisive.

The bolded words are why I don't engage with most of the 'news' around our club.

You have to keep in mind the stories, even true ones will always be presented as the most sensational.

 

[SouthernRedDev]

I don't disagree but it's hard to gauge Ineos' priorities right now. Is their motivation to put the best of the club above all else or do they take a chance to try and save some face before inevitably having to publicly admit they dropped a clanger with their first big decision in charge of Manchester United?

Who knows. But there must be some reason Ten Hag came out of the international break still in a job.

Ineos and sjr may not have the sporting ambition we hoped for, they may be perfectly content in being remembered for being responsible for a new stadium sjr being responsible for a new stadium is a far greater legacy than a handful of trophies.

 

[wolvored]

Any manager who hasn’t improved the team in the second season should be sacked in the modern game. I know some will say Fergie etc, but it’s a different kettle of fish now. Blink and you lose your spot and other teams step up, now more than ever.
There are about 7/8 teams who are better than Utd and if the managers judgement tactics and training can’t improve after 2 seasons, what gives the board confidence it will in 3/4? This is what we are reaping now sticking with managers who ain’t up for it. Other teams at the top bring in a new manager and improvement is seen in the first season and especially the second

 

[DSG]

The bolded words are why I don't engage with most of the 'news' around our club.

You have to keep in mind the stories, even true ones will always be presented as the most sensational.

Good for you.

 

[Revan]

McClaren and Benni are gone. I saw an interview with Benni last week and he said the training was a very high standard and when it came to a match, the players couldn't do it. I don't see a reason for him to lie. He was let go by United and had no reason to be loyal and back them. I think he was honest. If that's a case, the biggest problem is mentality. Can another manager fix that? We've had proven world class managers with elite mentality and they couldn't get the ball rolling for more than a season. This is where I would defend Ten Hag. He could be doing everything right and to a high standard. Just when it kicks off on matchday it goes to shite.

Players were training against other players coached by the same group of shit coaches. The coaching staff judging their own coaching as absolutely great means feck all. It is an echo chamber based opinion.

 

[moses]

Good for you.

Cheers. It helps me get more things done if I don't get riled up on the internet over things that probably aren't true.

 

[croadyman]

Been a few weeks since we lost a game

Yeah empathy always creeps in 48 hours after

 

[TheReligion]

It pretty much is at the moment isn't it

Terrible football
Stuck with a manager completely out of his depth
Distinctly average squad with none of the leagues best players
Multiple injuries
Big financial losses every year
INEOS looking underwhelming at best

Surely the young players at the club give some of you hope?