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Makes sense, considering they're also getting Viana.Reportedly being lined-up for City
Makes sense, considering they're also getting Viana.Reportedly being lined-up for City
So you don't think we could tempt any of those we talked with in the summer? Not Tuchel, Frank, Di Zerbi? You'd hope they didn't all turn us down or we're in bigger trouble than we realise.
Yeah that's where I am. There's so little to actually place your faith in when the team just doesn't score enough goals. I worried at the start of the season that we still weren't going to score enough but I thought we might have been a bit better than this.If there was anything there that might...click.
If there was any reason to believe he was on the right track - only beset by ill fortune, injuries, and so forth.
Then sure, yes.
But as it stands - what sort of straws are we supposed to be clutching at?
It's like groundhog day
If the club were so impressed with ETH and his long term vision to the extent that they will stick by him no matter what, it wouldn’t have taken until July and speaking to other managers to decide to keep him.
If there was anything there that might...click.
If there was any reason to believe he was on the right track - only beset by ill fortune, injuries, and so forth.
Then sure, yes.
But as it stands - what sort of straws are we supposed to be clutching at?
Like @Sarni said, pehaps they wanted to explore their options before deciding he's the best man, currently available, for the job. How else do you think he's still here?
Are you high or do you just have that much PTSD?If that happens the next manager should not be expected to get top 4, at which point it makes no sense to sack ten Hag. I think he's getting full season, and personally I'm also relatively confident he will start next season with us.
There could be lots of reasons but I’m pretty confident it’s not because he is the long term manager. You don’t spend months looking to replace someone if you think they are the right man for the job.
They heard what he had to say, evaluated him and made the conclusion to look elsewhere. To go
From that to deciding you are sticking with him no matter what or long term is completely illogical.
At best he was the best of an underwhelming bunch or whoever they really wanted turned them down.
They fecked up in the summer by not sacking him, I think they probably realize that now. And if you don't sack him after 50-60 awful performance/results last season maybe they then can't justify sacking him 8/10 awful performances/results into this season, it'd make them look like a bunch of amateurs. So they're going to give him another 10-15 games for one last roll of the dice in the faint hope he can actually turn it around to some extent. That's the only reason I can think why he hasn't been sacked this past week.
So when Tuchel was jobless, Ten Hag had "2 games to prove" and now he has 7.
Media playing fans like a fiddle by pulling these random number of games out of their asses.
You must feel he’s going to turn it around then.If that happens the next manager should not be expected to get top 4, at which point it makes no sense to sack ten Hag. I think he's getting full season, and personally I'm also relatively confident he will start next season with us.
I don’t put a lot past United these days but if he starts next season with us then I’ll be gobsmackedIf that happens the next manager should not be expected to get top 4, at which point it makes no sense to sack ten Hag. I think he's getting full season, and personally I'm also relatively confident he will start next season with us.
How do things change with him in charge though? Like what is the reason we are as awful as we are?
I think the bar for ‘turning it around’ is quite low. Top 8-10 or thereabouts.You must feel he’s going to turn it around then.
Fair enough!
He has 31 games to save his job.I never wanna hear the next few matches will be crucial again to his future. I'm absolutely sick off that
If he stays he needs to rethink how he sets his team out. He’s setting them up to fail as it stands. The issue is that he’s too bloody stubborn to change muchHow do things change with him in charge though? Like what is the reason we are as awful as we are?
That’s ok he’s got almost 2 seasons to prove if he deserves a new contractI never wanna hear the next few matches will be crucial again to his future. I'm absolutely sick off that
He has 31 games to save his job.
Highly unlikely. I’m hoping that if we do keep him on we can go a good run, as that seems to be our only hope.Who knows, maybe we hit form like after the disaster start in his first season. We were pretty good in that period up until winning the League Cup. I'm assuming the hierarchy are accepting the injury problems last season in reviewing his performance thus far.
Regardless of the manager, the season is going to be full of ups and downs. I really hope we get our act together and challenge for the Europa League.
They are not going to panic. Clean start from Saturday, let's see where it goes.
Oh it's definitely unlikely on the evidence we have. But I have to believe it can and will get better, otherwise what's the point? Football, eh.Highly unlikely. I’m hoping that if we do keep him on we can go a good run, as that seems to be our only hope.
Fair. You’re a lot more optimistic and I am and I can’t fault you for that. As Monty Python said, always look on the bright side of life.Oh it's definitely unlikely on the evidence we have. But I have to believe it can and will get better, otherwise what's the point? Football, eh.
Life is a rollercoaster, you just got to ride it.Fair. You’re a lot more optimistic and I am and I can’t fault you for that. As Monty Python said, always look on the bright side of life.
Or, as Rascal Flatts said, life is a highway, and I wanna ride it all night long.Life is a rollercoaster, you just got to ride it.
Maybe the FA tipped off Ashworth that Tuchel was the prime contender for the England job. Seems the FA lusting over Tuchel has been going on for much longer than anybody was aware of. I do think he was the only available manager we would have gone with - and he’s light years ahead of EtH.Like @Sarni said, pehaps they wanted to explore their options before deciding he's the best man, currently available, for the job. How else do you think he's still here?
At this point if they aren’t bringing in Alonso/Nagelsmann then that approach will look fecking stupidYes, that sounds about right.
I would say that the former (the unlocking of the genius) is about as likely as Antony winning a Ballon d'Or.
So, it has to be the latter. In some shape or form.
Yes, they fecked up.
And the only convincing excuse is that their operation wasn't fully in place at the time.
It is now, though (we have to assume).
This season is still salvageable - to some degree.
Gambling on ETH to turn it around strikes me as the least likely way to salvage something from the season.
But what do I know (nothing - and I still have a tiny bit of hope, as I always do, that I could be proven wrong).
How depressing.If that happens the next manager should not be expected to get top 4, at which point it makes no sense to sack ten Hag. I think he's getting full season, and personally I'm also relatively confident he will start next season with us.
He may unfortunately get more than what you propose here. The word is that they are looking at challenging for a top spot in 2028. So reality is at least 3 yrs of pain with no gain. It's a fricken shambles.If that happens the next manager should not be expected to get top 4, at which point it makes no sense to sack ten Hag. I think he's getting full season, and personally I'm also relatively confident he will start next season with us.
I think they went through that process because being new to the club they wanted to court their options and see what was out there. ETH proved to be their best option, probably impressing them with his long term vision or something, and they went with him. I think they were going to give him a longer deal but were not able to agree on removing the veto, hence triggered 1-year extension to start with.
They supported him with £200m worth of signings including two of his former players and another Dutch talent which indicates at least some trust in his ability to turn us around.
Utd fans would be incredulous at any other club keeping him given the same level of performance. Forget the results, as bad as they have been over the last 18 months they do not explain or illustrate just how comically inept his football has been in that period.
Staggering, just how absurd is this going to look if we lose to Brentford?
Like @Sarni said, pehaps they wanted to explore their options before deciding he's the best man, currently available, for the job. How else do you think he's still here?
I’m with you fellas. It doesn’t make much sense. Four “decision makers” in a room is not a way to run a company. Capitalism is not a democracy.They fecked up in the summer by not sacking him, I think they probably realize that now. And if you don't sack him after 50-60 awful performance/results last season maybe they then can't justify sacking him 8/10 awful performances/results into this season, it'd make them look like a bunch of amateurs. So they're going to give him another 10-15 games for one last roll of the dice in the faint hope he can actually turn it around to some extent. That's the only reason I can think why he hasn't been sacked this past week.
I’m with you fellas. It doesn’t make much sense. Four “decision makers” in a room is not a way to run a company. Capitalism is not a democracy.
Great, it's nice to see top fans accepting a negative goal difference for one of the biggest clubs in the world.I'm happy to accept him as manager until the summer, there isn't any attractive permanent options available right now
Great, it's nice to see top fans accepting a negative goal difference for one of the biggest clubs in the world.