Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

[Sarni]

Not quite because we will have Ipswich, Leicester, Everton and Forrest among them. Two newly promoted sides and two sides at the bottom end of the table last season.

Thats quite clearly easier than the first 7.

It's easier but like I said, lose some of them and they suddenly become tricky and we could not have done any better. Just like Palace game is tricky now, despite them being winless in 7 games.

Ipswich away is tougher than Southampton. Forest are also 8 games from now so I did not count them in. It's:

- Brentford - basically equal to Fulham
- West Ham - equal to Brighton
- Leicester - potentially easier than any games we've had so far
- Ipswich - equal to Southampton, probably harder
- Chelsea - equal to Spurs
- Everton - equal to Palace
- Arsenal - tougher than any games we've had so far

I really don't see a massive difference. Leicester replacing Villa is obviously hugely helpful but if we don't win 3-4 of these games I'm 100% the tune will change and it will suddenly become a tough, tricky run.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

First off, there's absolutely no evidence that what you are saying is true. Quite the opposite.

Secondly, why 3 defeats? Is that how low the bar is now? What if we played absolutely terrible but robbed 3 points in each game, is that good enough? Even though it will be obvious we're on a downward trend. I don't believe he's in the hot water you and others are making out. Just listen to him, he knows he's Teflon for whatever reason.

What evidence are you expecting at this stage? They haven't even been at the club for a year. They clearly strongly considered booting him in the summer even though their actual footballing management structure was not fully in place at the time. Then when they don't sack him at their first opportunity after that - 7 games into the season - you take that as evidence that he will never be sacked and has some kind of highly influential role over and above that of manager/head coach? Why on earth would they have been very publicly tapping up other managers if they though he was that good?

The 3 defeats thing was just an example to counter all this crap I'm reading about how the fact that he hasn't been sacked yet means that he is clearly here for the season. Crikey, a heavy defeat against Brentford could be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and that's just 3 days away!

 

[VP89]

It's easier but like I said, lose some of them and they suddenly become tricky and we could not have done any better. Just like Palace game is tricky now, despite them being winless in 7 games.

I never said Palace is tricky, just that they are a stubborn side at home that was sandwiched between the tricky ones.

They aren't a rollover side on paper that Leicester, Everton, Ipswich or Southampton would be.

And no, the next 7 is much better than the first 7. Irrespective of how we perform. It's on us to pick up points.

 

[troylocker]

I think they are tricky ties irrespective. I think a Liverpool fan would take a look at them 3 and think, okay that's a trickier set.

Funnily enough I spoke to a Liverpool fan at work today and they said Arsenal Brighton Villa in their next few games are very difficult.

And yet you'd back them to get 6 points from those 3 games. Throw Spurs at home in there and you'd back them to get 9...

We got 3rd ahead of Liverpool, Spurs, Villa and Brighton just 17 months ago....
Now you make exuses for why it's not unacceptable to get 1 point and 1-8 in goaldiff in that run of fixtures.
A tricky fixture doesn't mean it's ok to lose 3-0 at home twice in a row. We've scored 2 goals total in the league this season in the 6 games we've not played Southampton.

We haven't been this bad since the 80's, maybe we even need to go back to the 70's to find us playing at the level we're playing right now. The quality of ETH's managing here the last 17 months must be the weakest stuff we've seen in the top 5 leagues the last couple of decades with the resources he's been given. Rock bottom stuff.

 

[VP89]

And yet you'd back them to get 6 points from those 3 games. Throw Spurs at home in there and you'd back them to get 9...

We got 3rd ahead of Liverpool, Spurs, Villa and Brighton just 17 months ago....
Now you make exuses for why it's not unacceptable to get 1 points and 1-8 in goaldiff in that run of fixtures.
A tricky fixtures doesn't mean it's ok to lose 3-0 at home twice in a row. We've scored 2 goals in the league this season in the 6 games we've not played Southampton.

We haven't been this bad since the 80's, maybe we even need to go back to the 70's to find us playing at the level we're playing right now. The quality of ETH's managing here the last 17 months must be the weakest stuff we've seen in the top 5 leagues the last couple of decades with the resources he's been given. Rock bottom stuff.

Right and I said a lot of posts ago that we should have taken more points irrespective of the run in the first 7.

My point was just that they weren't "decent" fixtures. Thats all. Nothing else.

 

[pocco]

What evidence are you expecting at this stage? They haven't even been at the club for a year. They clearly strongly considered booting him in the summer even though their actual footballing management structure was not fully in place at the time. Then when they don't sack him at their first opportunity after that - 7 games into the season - you take that as evidence that he will never be sacked and has some kind of highly influential role over and above that of manager/head coach? Why on earth would they have been very publicly tapping up other managers if they though he was that good?

The 3 defeats thing was just an example to counter all this crap I'm reading about how the fact that he hasn't been sacked yet means that he is clearly here for the season. Crikey, a heavy defeat against Brentford could be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and that's just 3 days away!

It's the fact that they had a good list of available managers in the summer, many of them they actually spoke to, but they decided to stick with him. Right now, or in the summer, that list only looks shorter and shorter as most of them have new jobs. So what are people expecting them to do? Go for their 5th or 6th choice from the previous summer? I just can't see it happening. And I don't see any new options, bar Southgate, who will suddenly be available. They've backed themselves into a corner on this one.

And I also can't see them sacking him after Brentford, no matter what. If he's on that fine a knife edge then it would have made more sense to do it now. So logic dictates that he's not actually that close to being sacked at all, as they themselves know he's liable to lose any game coming up. And they've seemingly accepted that and allowed it to go on.

 

[Woodywizz]

can’t wait to see Ten Hag’s fuming face on Saturday when we ship a 3rd goal against Brentford after being 2 up.

 

[pocco]

Why are some posters so obsessed with me not wanting to sack Ten Hag? These replies are the toxicity that mods referred to.

If I write explicity that we should have picked up more points, I am indirectly defending ten hag (I find this so so weird).

If I say a standalone set of certain games are considered tricky by any club, my stance on the manager is thrown into it again.

Cut out the picking on posters and stick to what the sub discussion was about, or don't bother contributing. The playground jibes are tiresome and add no value.

It's because your excuses are tiring to read. You seemingly can't just call it for what it is. Weren't you fully on the Ole out train too? I was with you on that one, I just don't understand why you've suddenly moved the goalposts so much for somebody that means sod all to Manchester United in the long run. He's not got even an ounce of the rapport with United supporters that Ole had, but you'll defend him to the end. The sooner you hold your hands up and say he's not the guy and enough is enough, everyone will stop feeling the need to respond to your posts like they do.

 

[VP89]

It's because your excuses are tiring to read. You seemingly can't just call it for what it is. Weren't you fully on the Ole out train too? I was with you on that one, I just don't understand why you've suddenly moved the goalposts so much for somebody that means sod all to Manchester United in the long run. He's not got even an ounce of the rapport with United supporters that Ole had, but you'll defend him to the end. The sooner you hold your hands up and say he's not the guy and enough is enough, everyone will stop feeling the need to respond to your posts like they do.

What am I excusing? This is getting too much. I'm not excusing shit. I literally said that we should have picked up points.

I didn't move any goalposts. Someone said we haven't had a tricky set of first 7 fixtures and they were decent. I said they were actually tricky. That's all. There is no excusing so stop trying to pick on posters for no reason.

 

[The Boy]

He's an obvious troll at this stage. It was the same all of last season

October: "I'll give him till Christmas before I judge"

December: "Too many injuries to judge"

March: "Might as well stick with him till the end of the season"

April: "Wilcox has asked him to change the style of football, he's got till the end of the season now before we judge"

End of season: "Beat City, should get the beginning of next season now"

Beginning of this season: "Fixtures have been too tough to judge, but we did well for 45 minutes against Palace in the nil nil draw. Still too early to judge"

Basically, ignore him because he doesn't have a fecking clue what he's talking about and that's been obvious for a long time.

So what, or are people not allowed to have different opinions from the majority without being castigated or insulted for it? Or have the freedom to change their stance?

There are far too many posters willing to pile in, in quite a toxic and nasty way if someone disagrees. This isn't X.

 

[Godfather]

This is like waking up after a dream where we aren't managed by an absolute cockwomble, remembering that we are, checking the news and confirming that he's still hanging around like the shit on your leg that you swear you hosed down last night before you lay down in your Mr Blobby racecar bed. The mold hanging from above that gently floats down into your mouth leaves a bitter taste, and you find yourself coughing more often because the thought of Ten Hag managing our club for another game makes the third lump in your ballsack throb more than usual. And to top it all off the police are at your door again, thumping away, and it's preventing you from reading the latest exclusive from Jamie Jackson. I don't even have the energy to kick my cats after all of that.

Brilliant

 

[Smores]

Why are some posters so obsessed with me not wanting to sack Ten Hag? These replies are the toxicity that mods referred to.

If I write explicity that we should have picked up more points, I am indirectly defending ten hag (I find this so so weird).

If I say a standalone set of certain games are considered tricky by any club, my stance on the manager is thrown into it again.

Cut out the picking on posters and stick to what the sub discussion was about, or don't bother contributing. The playground jibes are tiresome and add no value.

Sorry but you're one of the top poster in this thread no one is hounding you down, because you post so much your series of posts are more than relevant for comment. You've done this dance before in this thread.

As i mentioned you said it was too soon as recent as late September, given you believe the fixtures were tricky and we were lucky not to get more points why do you even claim to think he should go?

It doesn't add up and when nearly every post of yours is a defence people will rightly assume you're just trying to be discreet. As many of you did last season. Pointing this out isn't picking on you, it's responding to your very posts in this thread.

 

[Grand Vizier]

This is like waking up after a dream where we aren't managed by an absolute cockwomble, remembering that we are, checking the news and confirming that he's still hanging around like the shit on your leg that you swear you hosed down last night before you lay down in your Mr Blobby racecar bed. The mold hanging from above that gently floats down into your mouth leaves a bitter taste, and you find yourself coughing more often because the thought of Ten Hag managing our club for another game makes the third lump in your ballsack throb more than usual. And to top it all off the police are at your door again, thumping away, and it's preventing you from reading the latest exclusive from Jamie Jackson. I don't even have the energy to kick my cats after all of that.

I haven't laughed that much in a while. Brilliant!

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

It's the fact that they had a good list of available managers in the summer, many of them they actually spoke to, but they decided to stick with him. Right now, or in the summer, that list only looks shorter and shorter as most of them have new jobs. So what are people expecting them to do? Go for their 5th or 6th choice from the previous summer? I just can't see it happening. And I don't see any new options, bar Southgate, who will suddenly be available. They've backed themselves into a corner on this one.

And I also can't see them sacking him after Brentford, no matter what. If he's on that fine a knife edge then it would have made more sense to do it now. So logic dictates that he's not actually that close to being sacked at all, as they themselves know he's liable to lose any game coming up. And they've seemingly accepted that and allowed it to go on.

You talk about logic, but you aren't actually displaying any. Just because, for whatever reason, Ineos gave him the benefit of the doubt in the summer does not - logically - infer that they still think he's the bees knees, or even that they thought that at the time. Logic suggests that they are highly doubtful about him given that we know they have sounded out multiple managers, and given Ratcliffe's distinct lack of public backing for Ten Hag when specifically asked about him. I agree that the list of possible replacements has dwindled, and I also agree that in an ideal world they would have pulled the trigger during this last week - but I genuinely doubt that they are satisfied with the current situation and are prepared for that to continue. United do tend to have an infuriating tendency to stick with managers till the bitter end, but often the situation becomes obviously untenable for all concerned - like I say that point could come at the weekend. If he does manage to keep limping on until the next international break doing just enough but not showing a marked improvement then my guess is they will sack him then.

It's the notion that Ineos will be happy to see this continue for a whole season that I find hard to believe. Similarly the comments that I've read about Ineos not wanting to spend money on sacking him - like, they've spent over a billion on buying a 25% stake in the club, I serious doubt that a few million quid is going to prevent them taking action if there is no sudden (and sizeable) upturn in results.

 

[estonianreddevil]

Why do match-going fans like this guy so much? Also, why don't match-going fans (who actually have decent understanding how fecked this guy has gotten us) have any balls to show their emotions regarding him? The overly-acceting fan-culture is destroying this club. Wouldn't be acceptable or seen in any other country with decent football culture. Sad.

 

[romufc]

Who's fault is it that you now consider Brighton, Villa and Spurs tricky fixtures irrespective of home/away?
We got 1 point from those 4 fixtures. We lost both homefixtures 3-0.

1 point and 1-8 in goaldifference.

It doesn't matter if you concider them tricky. It is unacceptable!

Its funny how standards have dropped so much that people think its acceptable and normal to lose 3-0 at home to Liverpool, Spurs because they are tricky fixtures.

If you ask any other PL fan, be it Southampton, Leicester they would be upset at losing at home 3-0 consecutively to these teams. Even if its Liverpool, they expect the team to put up a fight, if they then lose its fine.

Here we have Manutd fans saying... oh getting embarrassed at home is fine because they are tricky fixtures.

I dont care what team we have, what manager we have, we should not be excusing battering's at home as a oh its okay because those clubs are in the top 6.

 

[VP89]

Sorry but you're one of the top poster in this thread no one is hounding you down, because you post so much your series of posts are more than relevant for comment. You've done this dance before in this thread.

As i mentioned you said it was too soon as recent as late September, given you believe the fixtures were tricky and we were lucky not to get more points why do you even claim to think he should go?

It doesn't add up and when nearly every post of yours is a defence people will rightly assume you're just trying to be discreet. As many of you did last season. Pointing this out isn't picking on you, it's responding to your very posts in this thread.

I took a few days of posting less on this thread because of the toxicity. What you've done is literally pick on me because you've taken posts where I am not excusing the manager, just talking about a fixture list. I've explicitly stated we should have picked up more in spite of a trickier set, and you have tried to tie in my view on back/sack and create a narrative that is irrelevant to what I posted about.

That is picking on posters and it's toxic as feck. Just respect opinions and stick to relevant content in the debate. It shouldn't be hard, it's starting to feel like cyber bullying right now, especially with the made up shit and name calling @pocco has come out with.

 

[Roboc7]

I thought the same last season, put it down to the takeover happening and a power vacuum leaving no one in place to make a decision.

1 year on and there's still no one willing to make a decision it seems. By the time they eventually do pull the trigger top 4 will be a mountain to climb.

I just think people are jumping to silly conclusions that because he hasn’t been sacked now or because Tuchel has taken another job that ETH will be here all season.

We saw this before with Ole where he survived an international break and was then was gone after a defeat in the next game. ETH is most likely keeping his job based on the assumption there is going to be drastic improvement very quickly. It’s much less likely he is just going to keep his job until the end of the season irrespective of results.

 

[Shark]

This is how it's going to be. It feels like he's always going to be one bad result away from being sacked.

The last two results, although draws were undeniably bad results, so I'm not even sure it's that.

 

[pocco]

What am I excusing? This is getting too much. I'm not excusing shit. I literally said that we should have picked up points.

I didn't move any goalposts. Someone said we haven't had a tricky set of first 7 fixtures and they were decent. I said they were actually tricky. That's all. There is no excusing so stop trying to pick on posters for no reason.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but it is clear to me that everything you say, even when it's a supposed criticism of ETH, comes wrapped in an excuse. I'm not just talking about this discussion about the fixture list but the whole thing in general. You can't say you don't make a lot of excuses for the guy! People are just tired of hearing it. Let him have both barrels if he deserves it. Don't dress an excuse up as a criticism though and then try to claim it was a criticism.

 

[pocco]

So what, or are people not allowed to have different opinions from the majority without being castigated or insulted for it? Or have the freedom to change their stance?

There are far too many posters willing to pile in, in quite a toxic and nasty way if someone disagrees. This isn't X.

If you offer an opinion on a forum then expect a response, positive or negative. I'm not looking to pile on, I don't read most of the other responses if I see a post I want to respond to, I just hit reply.

Should a vet the previous responses first before deciding if I should respond?

 

[Zed 101]

can’t wait to see Ten Hag’s fuming face on Saturday when we ship a 3rd goal against Brentford after being 2 up.

2 up, wow I like your optimism....

But don't worry it is all fine we are have picked up couple of injuries now so ETH and his apologists can justify shipping 3+ goals against Brentford,

Just remember trust the process and don't you dare judge him on now, you must wait until the end of the season to judge him, before then it is not allowed.

 

[Shark]

Im unsure what you are debating here.
I am only saying we have categorically not had a 'decent' run of fixtures.

Have we had a tricky run of fixtures? Yes. Should we have gathered more points in spite of that? Yes.

My view is there's around 4 more points we should really have picked up especially with how the games went.

What is your point?

The idea that our starting fixtures both in the league and in Europe were "tricky" is just totally laughable and WUM worthy. You could literally claim any set of starting fixtures in this league are tricky, when it comes to ETH. His away form even when he was doing alright with Rashford freakishly carrying him for 2-3 months was terrible. Now his home form has caught up with it. I guarantee you if we had Liverpool's starting fixtures, you'd still be claiming the same nonsense and we'd be in a similar position in the league.

 

[Smores]

I took a few days of posting less on this thread because of the toxicity. What you've done is literally pick on me because you've taken posts where I am not excusing the manager, just talking about a fixture list. I've explicitly stated we should have picked up more in spite of a trickier set, and you have tried to tie in my view on back/sack and create a narrative that is irrelevant to what I posted about.

That is picking on posters and it's toxic as feck. Just respect opinions and stick to relevant content in the debate. It shouldn't be hard, it's starting to feel like cyber bullying right now, especially with the made up shit and name calling @pocco has come out with.

All I've done is ask you a direct question about your posts within the last month in this same thread what could be more relevant? No one can hold the opinion we should have had 4 more points which would put us in 6th whilst having played tough fixtures and still want Ten Hag gone. You're arguing points and disowning the obvious conclusion, I've no idea why as you've challenged many on Ten Hag firing situation across the last year.

If you're experiencing simple questions as cyber bullying then I suggest you just step away as that ain't healthy.

 

[pocco]

You talk about logic, but you aren't actually displaying any. Just because, for whatever reason, Ineos gave him the benefit of the doubt in the summer does not - logically - infer that they still think he's the bees knees, or even that they thought that at the time. Logic suggests that they are highly doubtful about him given that we know they have sounded out multiple managers, and given Ratcliffe's distinct lack of public backing for Ten Hag when specifically asked about him. I agree that the list of possible replacements has dwindled, and I also agree that in an ideal world they would have pulled the trigger during this last week - but I genuinely doubt that they are satisfied with the current situation and are prepared for that to continue. United do tend to have an infuriating tendency to stick with managers till the bitter end, but often the situation becomes obviously untenable for all concerned - like I say that point could come at the weekend. If he does manage to keep limping on until the next international break doing just enough but not showing a marked improvement then my guess is they will sack him then.

It's the notion that Ineos will be happy to see this continue for a whole season that I find hard to believe. Similarly the comments that I've read about Ineos not wanting to spend money on sacking him - like, they've spent over a billion on buying a 25% stake in the club, I serious doubt that a few million quid is going to prevent them taking action if there is no sudden (and sizeable) upturn in results.

If you read between the lines though, what other options do they have? They had better options in the summer than they'd have now. And there's no clear and obvious choice on the horizon for the summer either, that wasn't there last summer. I just don't understand how you can believe that they'd sack him next week when there's games to be played, when we've just had a two week break. Would you not agree that would be even more ridiculous? If you agree with that, then it's not a jump to say it's therefore unlikely that they will be sacking him next week. And the same logic applies to the following international break, when more damage will have predictably been done and the season will probably be over anyway. They'll get the fury of the supporters if they do that. This is all true, no? If you agree, then surely it's not that big a jump to say they were more likely to do it now than in a week or another months time, when they'll just look even dafter.

My guess is that he'll be safe at the next International break and they'll start talking about strengthening in January to help him. Then he'll just see out the season. We're too good to get relegated bar a number of injuries to key players, so it's a safe option if they're happy to risk a poor season, which they clearly are.

 

[BorisManUtd]

We'll probably draw vs Brentford and it'll be enough for him to not be sacked. Then another late draw at Fenerbahce.

 

[hobbers]

Whenever you hear Spurs, Villa and Brighton etc referred to as difficult fixtures that we're not expected to get results in, and you agree with it, remember -

This is why you're complicit in and deserve some blame for lowering our standards.

Every game is difficult in the Prem, yes, but we should be favourites to beat everyone except City and Arsenal, given our manager is 3 seasons in and has spent £600m. We shouldnt have to write off every single away game even against bottom half teams because we're employing a complete fraud as manager.

 

[VP89]

All I've done is ask you a direct question about your posts within the last month in this same thread what could be more relevant? No one can hold the opinion we should have had 4 more points which would put us in 6th whilst having played tough fixtures and still want Ten Hag gone. You're arguing points and disowning the obvious conclusion, I've no idea why as you've challenged many on Ten Hag firing situation across the last year.

If you're experiencing simple questions as cyber bullying then I suggest you just step away as that ain't healthy.

You decided to bring in my opinion about the coach into a sub debate that was objectively looking at a set of fixtures as decent or not decent for any opposition that should have top 4 ambitions.

That is literally picking on posters and trying to build an over arching narrative that's weak, trying to make them feem like they can't even post in this thread if they're talking about wider matters because they don't want to sack the coach yet.

Instead of actually discussing whether fixtures were or weren't decent like @Sarni was capable of, you tried to berate me for something else. It's terribly toxic.

I even said we should have gotten more points a long time ago, but you ignored it and started to jibe at me for not wanting to sack the coach. This has feck all to do with whether our opening 7 fixtures are hard or easy, it's just you trying to berate someone holding a different opinion about something else and I'm telling you to cut it out.

 

[VP89]

I'm not trying to pick on you, but it is clear to me that everything you say, even when it's a supposed criticism of ETH, comes wrapped in an excuse. I'm not just talking about this discussion about the fixture list but the whole thing in general. You can't say you don't make a lot of excuses for the guy! People are just tired of hearing it. Let him have both barrels if he deserves it. Don't dress an excuse up as a criticism though and then try to claim it was a criticism.

You are clearly picking on my posts. You just took a conversation unrelated to our coach and more looking at the difficulty level of opponents, ignored that I said we should have done better and attacked me because of my general consensus on sacking coach rather than the topic at hand.

You called me wum, troll and assumed a narrative. You haven't once asked me what my stance is after backing him last season, but just taken an assumption into this campaign, wound yourself about it and spread lies to other posters to enable more hatred to fester whenever I post.

Do you not see what you're doing?

 

[tenpoless]

Is Thomas Tuchel in the room with us?
I don't know who can replace him at this point. And I don't want to ruin Carrick and McKenna before they properly matured as a manager.

 

[VP89]

The idea that our starting fixtures both in the league and in Europe were "tricky" is just totally laughable and WUM worthy. You could literally claim any set of starting fixtures in this league are tricky, when it comes to ETH. His away form even when he was doing alright with Rashford freakishly carrying him for 2-3 months was terrible. Now his home form has caught up with it. I guarantee you if we had Liverpool's starting fixtures, you'd still be claiming the same nonsense and we'd be in a similar position in the league.

Like it or lump it, it's not outrageous to say Villa Spurs Liverpool and Brighton as part of an opening 7 fixtures is a tricky start. You may disagree but claiming it's a wum to suggest otherwise is hyperbole.

 

[Sarni]

I never said Palace is tricky, just that they are a stubborn side at home that was sandwiched between the tricky ones.

They aren't a rollover side on paper that Leicester, Everton, Ipswich or Southampton would be.

And no, the next 7 is much better than the first 7. Irrespective of how we perform. It's on us to pick up points.

Like I said, when you list them one by one it is quite similar. Easier but not by a huge margin.

There are not many 'straightforward' games in Premier League these days though. Even the properly good teams struggle against teams that in the past would have been considered 'easy' - e.g. Arsenal v Wolves, Leicester, Southampton, or City v Brentford, Fulham.

 

[VP89]

Whenever you hear Spurs, Villa and Brighton etc referred to as difficult fixtures that we're not expected to get results in, and you agree with it, remember -

This is why you're complicit in and deserve some blame for lowering our standards.

No one has said this. If you're referring to my debate I explicitly said we should have got more points.

 

[Shark]

Like it or lump it, it's not outrageous to say Villa Spurs Liverpool and Brighton as part of an opening 7 fixtures is a tricky start. You may disagree but claiming it's a wum to suggest otherwise is hyperbole.

It's WUM worthy as I said, man. You're speaking as if the club hasn't just spent the guts of £400m across two summers. Like we haven't got a manager now fully bedded in, and in his third season. Like we haven't now got an almost fully fit squad to choose from.

 

[Rolaholic]

It's like groundhog day

 

[VP89]

It's not about how many points we should have had it's about how we view these fixtures.

Every fixture in this league except home to Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton (and I bet we even lose one of these games too) is viewed as catastrophically difficult now by all United fans. As it should because our manager is just that shite.

Christ Brighton are a clear and away far better team than us now with a 31 year old manager with no Prem experience, who plays Billy Gilmour and James Milner in midfield, Welbeck up front, and a backline full of journeymen nobodies.

You explicitly said "not expected to get results in" so it was very much about that.

 

[hobbers]

You explicitly said "not expected to get results in" so it was very much about that.

Yes because people in this very thread have been happy to write off defeats against the likes of Brighton and Spurs like we're not expected to beat them... apparently???

 

[VP89]

It's WUM worthy as I said, man. You're speaking as if the club hasn't just spent the guts of £400m across two summers. Like we haven't got a manager now fully bedded in, and in his third season. Like we haven't now got an almost fully fit squad to choose from.

What are you on about? I just said Brighton, Villa, Liverpool, Spurs are tricky ties. That's all. Maybe I'm wrong - perhaps a neutral club poster like @duffer @The Boy can opine on whether I said something wum worthy.

 

[VP89]

Yes because people in this very thread have been happy to write off defeats against the likes of Brighton and Spurs like we're not expected to beat them... apparently???

No one is writing anything off. You, like @pocco are making up a narrative and try to fester hatrid toward posters like myself.

I said it many times and I will say it again - I believe we had some tricky ties in our first 7 fixtures. I think the next 7 is easier on paper. Irrespective however, we should have more points on the board right now.

 

[hobbers]

No one is writing anything off. You, like @pocco are making up a narrative and try to fester hatrid toward posters like myself.

I said it many times and I will say it again - I believe we had some tricky ties in our first 7 fixtures. I think the next 7 is easier on paper. Irrespective however, we should have more points on the board right now.

I know you have nearly 500 posts in this thread and 2500 in last years ETH thread, but believe it or not it's not all about you.