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I'm not overly fussed that we've not got Tuchel, I think the England job suits him better.

It shouldn't make much of a difference to Ten Hag's fate. If he continues to dig his own grave, sooner or later, he will be put in it. It's a shame this looks like another total trudge of a season though.
I'm of the same thinking regarding Tuchel.

I do think ten Hag should be a free agent by now though, what's happening now and what will happen the rest of the season, will take a few seasons to unravel.
 
I personally wanted Tuchel or Pochettino and both options are off the table now FFS.

Ten Hag has some serious luck on his side, I tell you :lol:
 
In the way that the match-going fans don't leverage their influence when things go awry. There always is positive feedback at the end of matches, no issue how terrible the performance was that just disgraced Old Trafford.

When there is nothing to be happy about, voice your discontent and motivate the board to act. In general, give honest feedback to the team on and off the pitch.

I don't mean "don't support them during the match", absolutely do that every time because it's your club and you want it to succeed, but responsible fans make clear what standards they have and what level of performance they expect - and if what they see matches that. This (almost) never seems to happen at Old Trafford, and I (and others) believe that this is part of the reason why it looks as if being 14th is absolutely acceptable for the fans and no reason to change the direction of the club.
Ah OK, I’m sceptical how much that has an affect. Feels heavily overplayed when read in plain text.

This is coming from an astute football intellect who was in the ‘Fergie Out’ sit-down protests in Utd Road Paddock!

Fortunately we were all ignored.

Also, there've been boo’s etc. since the Bournemouth game last year so it’s happening.

I think, in the end I’d rather we weren’t one of those rabid fanbases who go nuts at every downturn. But appreciate there’s a large range in there!

Thanks for taking the time to explain
 
I guess when they refer to ''the fans'' they're usually talking about those who attend Old Trafford regularly, otherwise as you say it's impossible to judge. If we're to go by social media alone ''the fans'' definitely aren't happy with the club/manager in any shape or form currently. The only thing the fans inside Old Trafford can do is either stop attending games, or let their voices be heard during the game via chants and banners.
Fair enough, but we’re not one lump of a thing, rather literally thousands of people who all think differently.

It’s why it feels a bit of a pointless argument to me.

Maybe I’m just too literal with some of these things!
 
I'm not overly fussed that we've not got Tuchel, I think the England job suits him better.

It shouldn't make much of a difference to Ten Hag's fate. If he continues to dig his own grave, sooner or later, he will be put in it. It's a shame this looks like another total trudge of a season though.

It matters for this season at the very least and potentially even in the future depending on who we get instead of Ten Hag. Tuchel can easily turn it around and get us playing reasonable football and probably get us CL and a couple of deep cup runs. Given all the FFP issues we've been having it'll hamstring our progress even further if we fail to get atleast the EL.
 
It matters for this season at the very least and potentially even in the future depending on who we get instead of Ten Hag. Tuchel can easily turn it around and get us playing reasonable football and probably get us CL and a couple of deep cup runs. Given all the FFP issues we've been having it'll hamstring our progress even further if we fail to get atleast the EL.

Pointless to discuss now though isn't it? Tuchel isn't replacing Ten Hag. There's plenty of others who can improve on the shite the current bloke is serving up.
 
It is absolute nonsense to throw the word relegation into the discussion.
Over half a season worth of matches we would be around 14/15th. That’s beyond bad form, that’s a bad team.

Then we’re talking about a hypothetical situation where that team continues this way over half a decade more

Believing we can’t get caught up in the relegation mix over the coming years is showing blindness towards how bad we are becoming
 
Of course he is. Just because he is doing an extremely poor job doesn't mean he is not a decent bloke.
I agree with this but I really think he might not be haha. I was at Wolves v United's post match press conference and in person he really comes across as defensive, heavy blooded guy, difficult. That's of course just my perspective, I was at 7 other managers' press conferences too and he was the only one that I really disliked (might be a bit of bias can't lie, although we won that day!), and some characters in those too..

Maybe he is doing extremely poor AND he's also a bit of an a**
 
I have no confidence in him going forward and this season feels like it's going to be another bad one sadly. I just don't know how we're going to score enough goals and there's just very little to inspire belief or confidence that something will change.
 


This is an insane though while at the same time being exactly what I expect from this lot at this point...

Just gonna keep doing the same thing while hoping for different results to turn out to be that 1% instance of a manager actually turning the tide around this late

Unfortunately for us, absolutely nothing shown to us over the previous 18 months suggests that we have a manager capable of doing that


This sort of decision does more than just writing off this 1 season. It further dampens our attractiveness to talent and puts us further outside of Europe's elite. Eventually you don't get back in, especially if we decide that we will just give every joker year to continue underperforming before making a change. I bet Moyes wishes he won the Conference League here as he'd be in a job for life!
 
I don’t think we are making EL this year but he will steer us back there or Conference League within the following two seasons.

That's the dream and who knows by year 6 we could even be flirting with a top 4 finish. But I suppose we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.
 
This sort of decision does more than just writing off this 1 season. It further dampens our attractiveness to talent and puts us further outside of Europe's elite. Eventually you don't get back in, especially if we decide that we will just give every joker year to continue underperforming before making a change. I bet Moyes wishes he won the Conference League here as he'd be in a job for life!
Yup. It will further consolidate us as a mid table club and we’ll become the new Everton. We need to act fast and now.
 
It’s just people over reacting to him not being sacked now and jumping to conclusions he won’t be sacked at all this season. The club can’t afford to write off the season just for the sake of sticking with a manager they tried to get rid of in the summer.

They are clearly giving him a chance to turn it round but I’ve no doubt he is on the verge of being sacked, he won’t be allowed to waste the whole season.

I thought the same last season, put it down to the takeover happening and a power vacuum leaving no one in place to make a decision.

1 year on and there's still no one willing to make a decision it seems. By the time they eventually do pull the trigger top 4 will be a mountain to climb.
 
This sort of decision does more than just writing off this 1 season. It further dampens our attractiveness to talent and puts us further outside of Europe's elite. Eventually you don't get back in, especially if we decide that we will just give every joker year to continue underperforming before making a change. I bet Moyes wishes he won the Conference League here as he'd be in a job for life!
That's already happened, with the exception.of about 3 months either side of the World Cup we've performed like a midtable side and got the results of an upper midtable side for more than 3 years.

During that period we have largely stocked our squad with 2nd rate players that won the Eredivisie with Ten Hag several years ago and apparently we're just merrily rolling along, more interested in not looking silly by backtracking so quickly on the decision to sack the manager in the summer rather than doing what's best to improve results.

Hopefully the younger players like Yoro and Garnacho can be pivotal to a comeback in a few years and I'm sure despite our loss of lustre that we can still attract good young players with the offer of money and playing time, like what we've seen at Arsenal with the likes of Saka, Odegaard and Saliba, but currently we have at best a Europa League standard squad led by a manager who has been one of the worst in the league for more than 12 months now.
 
With Tuchel off the market it definitely makes it far more likely that he will see this season out and we will just review and assess at the end of year again.
 
That's already happened, with the exception.of about 3 months either side of the World Cup we've performed like a midtable side and got the results of an upper midtable side for more than 3 years.

During that period we have largely stocked our squad with 2nd rate players that won the Eredivisie with Ten Hag several years ago and apparently we're just merrily rolling along, more interested in not looking silly by backtracking so quickly on the decision to sack the manager in the summer rather than doing what's best to improve results.

Hopefully the younger players like Yoro and Garnacho can be pivotal to a comeback in a few years and I'm sure despite our loss of lustre that we can still attract good young players with the offer of money and playing time, like what we've seen at Arsenal with the likes of Saka, Odegaard and Saliba, but currently we have at best a Europa League standard squad led by a manager who has been one of the worst in the league for more than 12 months now.

The problem is a lot of fans have shockingly not realised quite how bad we have been for quite how long. If you went back to 2022 and showed fans the stats of our performance since the League Cup Final they would laugh at you for making up absurd lies, yet here we are and somehow a lot of people have not quite noticed just how bad it has been. This is exactly how you become a mid table team and worse. After a couple of seasons without Europe we end up needing to sell players for financial reasons and cannot attract talent and continually fall further. A team like Real Madrid would never let this happen, hence sacking multiple managers in a season before ending up back with Zidane, but the point is they will try a coach and get rid when it's not working and try another one with no hesitation because more is lost through indecision than the wrong decision if you take affirmative action to address the mistakes. I really want us to get rid of this mentality that the manager is some infallible creature that deserves more than his performance dictates - like Pep said, there is no project, you must get results or there are problems.

People also saying we could never get relegated have a weird level of arrogance despite the fact that we are on a rapid downward trend over the last 3 years. Teams like Leeds and West Ham were "too good to go down" yet still did. It may be exceptionally unlikely but we are closer to relegation form than we are to title winning form and seemingly are determined to throw time away keeping a manager we KNOW is not up to it because we are scared that the next guy MIGHT not be up to it. Ten Hag turning it around would be a 1 in a million thing, almost like being struck by lightning twice in a day - it COULD theoretically happen, but you would never stake your money on it happening.
 
The idea of Tuchel being off the market making it more likely Ten Hag finishes the season is such bizarre shite? As if he's the only man who could possibly step in, which is just blatantly not true.
 
I dreamt that he got fired. Such an amazing dream.

So tired of this mess. Why can’t we act like a proper club.
 
If he had to be sacked , now was the time. All we are doing now is wasting the season. I rather now he stays for the season rather seeing some interim like RVN or Ole, where players fool for 2 months and we make them the permanent manager. Not that I care about eth but with tuchel out of the race I just do not see who we go for now. No southgate or potter ffs.
 
Good lord. I don’t want to imagine if he’s here for the rest of the season. All time miserable in here by May 2025 and the Samaritans hotline number at the top of the forum as a banner.
 
You seem to have become some kind of conspiracy merchant.

Truth is I don’t really care that much and don’t think it’s as bigger deal as being made out. As always though, certain folk will lap it up given the current issues at the club.

Do you blame me though? Everything we've done for the last decade has turned out to be a poor decision. You might have maintained faith throughout, good for you, but if you don't think the alarm bells are ringing once again then more fool you. I don't think it's anything near conspiracy level what I'm saying.

He's seemingly under no pressure, and gives his interviews telling everyone he's under no pressure. The whole footballing world thought he'd get sacked but, yet again, his confidence is not misplaced. Why? Only he and Ineos knows why, and he's looking like a man under no pressure at all with the way he's talking. The rest of what I've said is true too, a number of signings still have his fingerprints all over them, more Dutch coaches have been brought in etc. I don't know what was written into his contract that gave him this sort of power to begin with, but he's still under the same contract.
 
This is like waking up after a dream where we aren't managed by an absolute cockwomble, remembering that we are, checking the news and confirming that he's still hanging around like the shit on your leg that you swear you hosed down last night before you lay down in your Mr Blobby racecar bed. The mold hanging from above that gently floats down into your mouth leaves a bitter taste, and you find yourself coughing more often because the thought of Ten Hag managing our club for another game makes the third lump in your ballsack throb more than usual. And to top it all off the police are at your door again, thumping away, and it's preventing you from reading the latest exclusive from Jamie Jackson. I don't even have the energy to kick my cats after all of that.
 
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The idea of Tuchel being off the market making it more likely Ten Hag finishes the season is such bizarre shite? As if he's the only man who could possibly step in, which is just blatantly not true.
He was the safest non caretaker bet. A lot of others probably could finish the season but for permanent role it's going to be a bit of a higher risk. And this lot do not strike me as risk takers.
 
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