I'm of the same thinking regarding Tuchel.
I do think ten Hag should be a free agent by now though, what's happening now and what will happen the rest of the season, will take a few seasons to unravel.
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I do think ten Hag should be a free agent by now though, what's happening now and what will happen the rest of the season, will take a few seasons to unravel.
I personally wanted Tuchel or Pochettino and both options are off the table now FFS.
Ten Hag has some serious luck on his side, I tell you
Ten Hag has some serious luck on his side, I tell you
Not if the squad is bad enough to get relegated at that time
I personally wanted Tuchel or Pochettino and both options are off the table now FFS.
Ten Hag has some serious luck on his side, I tell you
Are you feeling ok?
It is absolute nonsense to throw the word relegation into the discussion.
Not really
Ah OK, I’m sceptical how much that has an affect. Feels heavily overplayed when read in plain text.
This is coming from an astute football intellect who was in the ‘Fergie Out’ sit-down protests in Utd Road Paddock!
Fortunately we were all ignored.
Also, there've been boo’s etc. since the Bournemouth game last year so it’s happening.
I think, in the end I’d rather we weren’t one of those rabid fanbases who go nuts at every downturn. But appreciate there’s a large range in there!
Thanks for taking the time to explain
Fair enough, but we’re not one lump of a thing, rather literally thousands of people who all think differently.
It’s why it feels a bit of a pointless argument to me.
Maybe I’m just too literal with some of these things!
Glad others can see past their frustration
It matters for this season at the very least and potentially even in the future depending on who we get instead of Ten Hag. Tuchel can easily turn it around and get us playing reasonable football and probably get us CL and a couple of deep cup runs. Given all the FFP issues we've been having it'll hamstring our progress even further if we fail to get atleast the EL.
Pointless to discuss now though isn't it? Tuchel isn't replacing Ten Hag. There's plenty of others who can improve on the shite the current bloke is serving up.
Over half a season worth of matches we would be around 14/15th. That’s beyond bad form, that’s a bad team.
Then we’re talking about a hypothetical situation where that team continues this way over half a decade more
Believing we can’t get caught up in the relegation mix over the coming years is showing blindness towards how bad we are becoming
I agree with this but I really think he might not be haha. I was at Wolves v United's post match press conference and in person he really comes across as defensive, heavy blooded guy, difficult. That's of course just my perspective, I was at 7 other managers' press conferences too and he was the only one that I really disliked (might be a bit of bias can't lie, although we won that day!), and some characters in those too..
Maybe he is doing extremely poor AND he's also a bit of an a**
I have never thought ETH was likeable. Not even on day one.
I have no confidence in him going forward and this season feels like it's going to be another bad one sadly. I just don't know how we're going to score enough goals and there's just very little to inspire belief or confidence that something will change.
Define really bad?
We're in October and we've won two games and scored 5 goals.
This sort of decision does more than just writing off this 1 season. It further dampens our attractiveness to talent and puts us further outside of Europe's elite. Eventually you don't get back in, especially if we decide that we will just give every joker year to continue underperforming before making a change. I bet Moyes wishes he won the Conference League here as he'd be in a job for life!
I think he's nailed on for City
That's the dream and who knows by year 6 we could even be flirting with a top 4 finish. But I suppose we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.
Yup. It will further consolidate us as a mid table club and we’ll become the new Everton. We need to act fast and now.
Bald sees off another pretender.
I thought the same last season, put it down to the takeover happening and a power vacuum leaving no one in place to make a decision.
1 year on and there's still no one willing to make a decision it seems. By the time they eventually do pull the trigger top 4 will be a mountain to climb.
That's already happened, with the exception.of about 3 months either side of the World Cup we've performed like a midtable side and got the results of an upper midtable side for more than 3 years.
During that period we have largely stocked our squad with 2nd rate players that won the Eredivisie with Ten Hag several years ago and apparently we're just merrily rolling along, more interested in not looking silly by backtracking so quickly on the decision to sack the manager in the summer rather than doing what's best to improve results.
Hopefully the younger players like Yoro and Garnacho can be pivotal to a comeback in a few years and I'm sure despite our loss of lustre that we can still attract good young players with the offer of money and playing time, like what we've seen at Arsenal with the likes of Saka, Odegaard and Saliba, but currently we have at best a Europa League standard squad led by a manager who has been one of the worst in the league for more than 12 months now.
With Tuchel off the market it definitely makes it far more likely that he will see this season out and we will just review and assess at the end of year again.
The problem is a lot of fans have shockingly not realised quite how bad we have been for quite how long. If you went back to 2022 and showed fans the stats of our performance since the League Cup Final they would laugh at you for making up absurd lies, yet here we are and somehow a lot of people have not quite noticed just how bad it has been. This is exactly how you become a mid table team and worse. After a couple of seasons without Europe we end up needing to sell players for financial reasons and cannot attract talent and continually fall further. A team like Real Madrid would never let this happen, hence sacking multiple managers in a season before ending up back with Zidane, but the point is they will try a coach and get rid when it's not working and try another one with no hesitation because more is lost through indecision than the wrong decision if you take affirmative action to address the mistakes. I really want us to get rid of this mentality that the manager is some infallible creature that deserves more than his performance dictates - like Pep said, there is no project, you must get results or there are problems.
People also saying we could never get relegated have a weird level of arrogance despite the fact that we are on a rapid downward trend over the last 3 years. Teams like Leeds and West Ham were "too good to go down" yet still did. It may be exceptionally unlikely but we are closer to relegation form than we are to title winning form and seemingly are determined to throw time away keeping a manager we KNOW is not up to it because we are scared that the next guy MIGHT not be up to it. Ten Hag turning it around would be a 1 in a million thing, almost like being struck by lightning twice in a day - it COULD theoretically happen, but you would never stake your money on it happening.
Just when I thought I was out
This is how it's going to be. It feels like he's always going to be one bad result away from being sacked.
The idea of Tuchel being off the market making it more likely Ten Hag finishes the season is such bizarre shite? As if he's the only man who could possibly step in, which is just blatantly not true.
You can't skim across the sacking pond forever.
I dreamt that he got fired. Such an amazing dream.
So tired of this mess. Why can’t we act like a proper club.
So tired of this mess. Why can’t we act like a proper club.
so what happens if he beats Brentford? He stays
What happens if he draws or loses in unlucky circumstances?
If he had to be sacked , now was the time. All we are doing now is wasting the season. I rather now he stays for the season rather seeing some interim like RVN or Ole, where players fool for 2 months and we make them the permanent manager. Not that I care about eth but with tuchel out of the race I just do not see who we go for now. No southgate or potter ffs.
‘I have never said we’re in risk of relegation’
Next sentence explains why we’re in a relegation scrap.
Good lord. I don’t want to imagine if he’s here for the rest of the season. All time miserable in here by May 2025 and the Samaritans hotline number at the top of the forum as a banner.
Do you blame me though? Everything we've done for the last decade has turned out to be a poor decision. You might have maintained faith throughout, good for you, but if you don't think the alarm bells are ringing once again then more fool you. I don't think it's anything near conspiracy level what I'm saying.
He's seemingly under no pressure, and gives his interviews telling everyone he's under no pressure. The whole footballing world thought he'd get sacked but, yet again, his confidence is not misplaced. Why? Only he and Ineos knows why, and he's looking like a man under no pressure at all with the way he's talking. The rest of what I've said is true too, a number of signings still have his fingerprints all over them, more Dutch coaches have been brought in etc. I don't know what was written into his contract that gave him this sort of power to begin with, but he's still under the same contract.
This is like waking up after a dream where we aren't managed by an absolute cockwomble, remembering that we are, checking the news and confirming that he's still hanging around like the shit on your leg that you swear you hosed down last night before you lay down in your Mr Blobby racecar bed. The mold hanging from above that gently floats down into your mouth leaves a bitter taste, and you find yourself coughing more often because the thought of Ten Hag managing our club for another game makes the third lump in your ballsack throb more than usual. And to top it all off the police are at your door again, thumping away, and it's preventing you from reading the latest exclusive from Jamie Jackson. I don't even have the energy to kick my cats after all of that.
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He was the safest non caretaker bet. A lot of others probably could finish the season but for permanent role it's going to be a bit of a higher risk. And this lot do not strike me as risk takers.
Good thing we gave ETH more time with the two impressive away draws.
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