If he is by some miracle here till Jan I sure fecking hope we don’t give him any more money to spend this season. A new coach to come in in the summer and he will need to spend as well.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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We'll probably have to overspend even more than now to get players and a manager to come here if he's allowed to continue until Christmas.
I'm honestly pretty upset that they've not sacked him at a second perfect opportunity.
I had so much hope when ineos started well but have zero faith in them now. There's not one reason why he should still be here. Everyone knows it. Yet he's seemingly not going anywhere so they obviously don't see us sitting in 14th playing like shite for 18 months as any kind of problem. They're basically just praying something happens and it makes me sick to the stomach.
I'm absolutely gutted.
Yep, and I'm delighted with this. I'm surprised people actually thought he was getting sacked. He's keeping up the trend of our performances of last season. The season the majority of fans were happy with, and felt he had done enough to stay. The performances that made the board believe he was better for the job than the alternatives. Alternatives who were better than the managers we could realistically get to replace him in the middle of a season now.
He had to see out the full season at the very least. Maybe another on top of that.
You might want to get that looked at. Mind you, I don't know much about pigeon anatomy.
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Keeping him during the international break and sacking him after the first game after it is fecking idiotic. You sack him when you have the full 2 weeks to prepare the replacement. Not when you are scrambling. What's the point. Either we have the money to sack him, or we don't. It is painfully clear that everyone at the club has given up on him and there is absolutely 0 hope in him. What use is giving him even another minute in charge? He's not going to win the players back over, they are sick to death of him clearly. We need a change now and every game that he is here, is a game wasted and throwing away the season.
We missed a good opportunity to sack. The rest of the season will be a mess regardless of what decisions we make.
I think it's pretty clear that INEOS never rated Tuchel that highly to begin with. If they did, then he would've been here in the summer. They have some candidate(s) in mind who wanted to spend another season in their respective jobs and is unattainable mid season. So they are willing to wait. Even at the cost of this season as long as United don't get relegated.
It's disheartening to think that we'll be going into every game hoping that our stubborn manager will abandon his suicidal tactics that he has persisted with for so long. It's like hoping for a miracle.
It's disheartening to think that we'll be going into every game hoping that our stubborn manager will abandon his suicidal tactics that he has persisted with for so long. It's like hoping for a miracle.
Yeah, Ineos must be really excited to watch another game of the same shit yet hoping a miracle happens. Us fans been there for 14 years or so though
It's Sir Gareth
Getting relegated is not beyond the realms of possibility
It most certainly is.
It is if you’re rational, sane and not hysterical.
OKay, I make things up, but you mention other teams haven't had difficult fixtures?
Arsenal - Played City, Spurs, Villa AWAY, Brighton home
Brighton - Played Arsenal, United, Chelsea and Spurs
Newcastle - Played City, Spurs and Fulham
West Ham - Played Chelsea, Liverpool and City and VIlla
I could go on... but guess what these are ALL teams above us, everyone in the PL plays the same fixtures, home and away, the league table and position doesn't lie.
We have been in poor form for not just this season, last season too. Okay, lets see if we pick up more points in the next 7.
We really have had a decent fixture list so far. The hardest games we’ve had were both at home, we’ve played two teams that haven’t even got a win yet. I don’t think ‘very tough games’ is a valid argument here.
Calm down mate.
It isn't beyond the realms of possibility for any team to get relegated over a 38 game season. Is it unlikely that United get relegated any time soon yes no doubt, it's even very unlikely yes but not impossible.
An unprecedented injury crisis, a massive points deduction, hiring a charlatan as a coach and letting them run the club into the ground for an entire season. Any combination of a number of things could cause a decent team to get relegated. The season after winning the league Chelsea were 1 point above the relegation zone when they sacked Jose in December 2015.
Its less that and more that the soundbites directly from the club is they weren't even looking consider sacking him this break. He wasn't as under fire as we all thought.
They're backing Ten Hag and that's the top and bottom of it.
Unless we're mired in a relegation battle by Christmas they won't get rid.
Unless we're mired in a relegation battle by Christmas they won't get rid.
Our fixtures so far are far from decent. Liverpool, Brighton, Spurs and Villa are all tricky ties irrespective of home/away. Palace are also a very stubborn side at home whilst granting they are still searching for their first win. Liverpool for example had the same type of game vs them with Eze missing an even bigger sitter toward the end vs them compared to us. They took their chance for a slender win, and we didn't, but lord knows we created enough to be good value for a win.
But the fixtures are definitely not decent. Decent is how I'd describe the next 7.
Its one of those moments.. "We are Manutd" don't talk relegation.. they ignore the hard facts.
5 goals scored in 7 PL games
-3 goal difference
No goals in 3 PL games
Performances against top 6 clubs been embarrassing.. even promoted teams fight better in home games than we do.
Go away to Palace, Villa and play for a draw.
Make EL groups look like they are elite CL teams
Basic errors that championship teams make
No attacking play whatsoever.
Get dominated 1st 30 mins away at Southampton.
You do realise every team plays the same teams? Arsenal have had tougher fixtures than us and sit 2nd. Brighton have had tougher fixtures than us and look where they are in the table.
Liverpool game V Palace.. Palace missed 3 sitters against us whilst we missed our chances, the difference is Liverpool got the points, its not luck.
Im unsure what you are debating here.
I am only saying we have categorically not had a 'decent' run of fixtures.
Have we had a tricky run of fixtures? Yes. Should we have gathered more points in spite of that? Yes.
My view is there's around 4 more points we should really have picked up especially with how the games went.
What is your point?
The hardest fixtures were at home and it's not like we were unlucky not to get anything from those two fixtures either (first time we lost two home games in a row by 3+ goals since early 60s). We were completely torn apart. Even the 1st half hour against Southampton we looked like the 2nd best team on the pitch. We're sitting at 8 points and he's just beaten his own record from last season to have the worst start to a premier league season in the history of the tournament (33rd season). We've had many fixture runs tougher than this the last 32 years. On top of that he's managed to scrape 2 points in the first 2 games in the Europa League, following up our worst ever CL campaign from last season and we play what looks like planless, horrible football on a quite consistant basis despite having spit more money into the squad than any other manager has post Fergie.
The indecisiveness from the new board is worrying and I fear the longterm consequences (both from a sporting, economical/income and fanbase perspective) by keeping him is far more damaging than INEOS understands. Every day he's in the job the climb back up gets longer and I don't believe for a second that anyone in the board can say they believe in ETH's project with a straight face.
This is like watching our club do Harakiri in slow motion.
Please make it stop.
Who's fault is it that you now consider Brighton, Villa and Spurs tricky fixtures irrespective of home/away?
We got 1 point from those 4 fixtures. We lost both homefixtures 3-0.
1 point and 1-8 in goaldifference.
It doesn't matter if you concider them tricky. It is unacceptable!
Half of the league are tricky ties. There are maybe 3 teams in the league that anyone would consider straightforward (Southampton, Leicester and Wolves) and we've played one of them. Anyone else can be called a tricky game just like you call Palace a tricky game, would have been the same for virtually anyone - be it Nottingham, Bournemouth or Brentford (difference being they've all been in better form than Palace so far).
We've played almost 40% of the league already so it's a normal composition. One very weak team, one weak team out of form, one mid-table team, three top 6 teams, one upper mid table team. It was definitely not an unusually tough run of games.
Next 7 look slightly easier on paper (but still include Chelsea, Arsenal - which is basically an unwinnable game for us these days, as well as away to West Ham) but no doubt there will be people telling us how tough that run was if we fail to win 3 or 4 of them too.
Not quite because we will have Ipswich, Leicester, Everton and Forrest among them. Two newly promoted sides and two sides at the bottom end of the table last season.
Thats quite clearly easier than the first 7.
I think they are tricky ties irrespective. I think a Liverpool fan would take a look at them 3 and think, okay that's a trickier set.
Funnily enough I spoke to a Liverpool fan at work today and they said Arsenal Brighton Villa in their next few games are very difficult.
It's fascinating seeing you indirectly defend Ten Hag at every turn. A few weeks ago you were claiming it's too early to make judgements. Since then I've read you claim we've had tricky fixtures, unlucky not to get more points, and defend our tactics.
If you weren't pretending otherwise it would seem like you fully back the manager you just don't want to say it.
I bet they told you you're spot on about Ten Hag too and how we need to keep him no matter what
Dramatic much?
I’m wondering if Ineos have a manager ready to start next season. Who is in his last season at his current club. That’s the only reason I can think of, why TH hasn’t had the boot. This could be down to not having the funds to pay the other club for their manager now, maybe.
Dude, he'll be sacked within 3 games if they are all defeats. Chill out.
There is another decently rated manager on the bench right next to him if there is no perfect permanent replacement at the time. The notion that Ineos will just sit and watch their investment (and reputation) just slide down the shitter for an entire season is for the birds.
First off, there's absolutely no evidence that what you are saying is true. Quite the opposite.
Secondly, why 3 defeats? Is that how low the bar is now? What if we played absolutely terrible but robbed 3 points in each game, is that good enough? Even though it will be obvious we're on a downward trend. I don't believe he's in the hot water you and others are making out. Just listen to him, he knows he's Teflon for whatever reason.
Then they'll say he might get sacked after the next game, and so on. In reality they don't have a clue.
I'm pretty sure he's going nowhere though. They don't want to spend the money.
I think it's much more likely that after failing to get one of their main targets in the summer they decided to double down on Ten Hag and don't want to be seen as stupid for doing so by reacting to a small number of games. I don't think there's some grand plan that we are yet to see come to fruition.
If results don't improve shortly then the league season basically becomes about potentially scrapping for Europa League and the best case scenario then is having Van Nistelrooy as an interim which isn't a huge upgrade anyway. So although I would have sacked Ten Hag in the summer and don't think he's going to turn things around I do understand why they're stuck on what to do and have decided to do nothing for now.
This relegation conversation is nonsense.
But I wonder do people actually know what the phrase "beyond the realms of possibility" means.
But I wonder do people actually know what the phrase "beyond the realms of possibility" means.
Why are some posters so obsessed with me not wanting to sack Ten Hag? These replies are the toxicity that mods referred to.I bet they told you you're spot on about Ten Hag too and how we need to keep him no matter what
If I write explicity that we should have picked up more points, I am indirectly defending ten hag (I find this so so weird).
If I say a standalone set of certain games are considered tricky by any club, my stance on the manager is thrown into it again.
Cut out the picking on posters and stick to what the sub discussion was about, or don't bother contributing. The playground jibes are tiresome and add no value.
It's easier but like I said, lose some of them and they suddenly become tricky and we could not have done any better. Just like Palace game is tricky now, despite them being winless in 7 games.
Ipswich away is tougher than Southampton. Forest are also 8 games from now so I did not count them in. It's:
- Brentford - basically equal to Fulham
- West Ham - equal to Brighton
- Leicester - potentially easier than any games we've had so far
- Ipswich - equal to Southampton, probably harder
- Chelsea - equal to Spurs
- Everton - equal to Palace
- Arsenal - tougher than any games we've had so far
I really don't see a massive difference. Leicester replacing Villa is obviously hugely helpful but if we don't win 3-4 of these games I'm 100% the tune will change and it will suddenly become a tough, tricky run.
What evidence are you expecting at this stage? They haven't even been at the club for a year. They clearly strongly considered booting him in the summer even though their actual footballing management structure was not fully in place at the time. Then when they don't sack him at their first opportunity after that - 7 games into the season - you take that as evidence that he will never be sacked and has some kind of highly influential role over and above that of manager/head coach? Why on earth would they have been very publicly tapping up other managers if they though he was that good?
The 3 defeats thing was just an example to counter all this crap I'm reading about how the fact that he hasn't been sacked yet means that he is clearly here for the season. Crikey, a heavy defeat against Brentford could be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and that's just 3 days away!
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