Only in your fantasies though
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Only in your fantasies though
This is a bit hysterical. I get the mood on here, but the idea we’re in risk of going down is just nonsense.
Calm down mate
We probably wont beat Brentford as they are much better than us and the League game against Leicester will likely be a boring affair and end 0-0
Okay.. maybe not to survive.. for Ten Hag to survive. We have seen over the past 2 seasons Brentford at home is no easy fixture.. neither is West Ham away. We lost to them last season and we have 3 PL games before Leicester. There is a big possibility we win 0/3, Brentford, West Ham, Chelsea.
If Palace, Leicester, Ipswich win any of the 2 games they have, baring in mind some play each other, come the Leicester game we will be in and around relegation zone.
Not saying we will go down but we will be fighting 12-17th in the table.
While the game against Leicester wont really be a battle for survival if we continue to get points and goals at our current rate for the rest of the season we finish with only 44 points and only 28 or 29 goals which would highly likely see us very close to relegation if not relegated.
exactly my point.. people talking about calming down, being hysterical but if they objectively look at our form the 2nd half of last season to the first 6 games, this seasons form is not an anomaly, or a blip that we will recover. We finished last season with - goal difference and started this with -3. We have scored 5 goals which is on par with the worst teams in the PL that get relegated.
The points average tell you where we will be and that is very close to the relegation zone.
Brentford at better than us at the moment, if you look at the league they are 2 points above us and have scored almost 3x the amount of goals that we have scored plus they actually managed to beat Palace which is something we failed to do.
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It's been 7 games. They finished 16th last season, United finished 8th. They clearly aren't better.
Oh God .....Club football is back..
How did they get on last season? I'm just interested in using a sample size that is actually befitting of the claim that they are "much better" than us. I dare say that they haven't even been "much" better than us this season and we have been very underwhelming.
Im talking about at this moment in ti.e not last season but anyway last season they were arguably the better team in both games against us with us needing 2 late stoppage time goals from McTominay to beat them at home and a late stoppage time goal from Mount to snatch a draw at their place.
Without a doubt the most backed manager we've had post-Fergie
He seemingly dictates the standards to the club, not the other way
Ten Hag isn't surviving. I'm completely disappointed and baffled why he's being allowed to slowly drag out his death here. It benefits no one. We waste more time, and he only hurts his reputation further. It's a total lose lose situation.
Surely he must actually be quite charismatic or convincing
The worst part of all this is we know for a fact he's neither. He's not even likeable. If he was at any other big-ish club in the world he'd have been unceremoniously turfed out 9 months+ ago
- Needs a minimum 7 points from 12 in the league, including a respectable showing against Chelsea.
- Needs at least 4 points in the Europa to keep us even slightly competitive in the league table.
- Needs to beat Leicester, no excuses.
Of course he is. Just because he is doing an extremely poor job doesn't mean he is not a decent bloke.
I think the next battering will be his end. Wouldn’t be surprised if Brentford score at least 3 at the weekend. This logic is dumb but it seems to be how we’re operating? Who knows, I’m totally lost at this point, I can’t make sense of the decisions.
No way they expected it to get this bad, but what if they already had someone lined up "just in case" since summer?
Maybe they have actually now decided to replace EtH, but "their man" isn't available yet.
They obviously have to get the next one right, and they have had the excuse until now of the new football structure needing time to bed in and assess.
(definitely not wishful thinking on my part
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Maybe they have actually now decided to replace EtH, but "their man" isn't available yet.
They obviously have to get the next one right, and they have had the excuse until now of the new football structure needing time to bed in and assess.
(definitely not wishful thinking on my part
) That would mean that they actively decided to waste a season on a manager who they know they don't want to have in the long term. That would only make sense if his successor would play a somewhat similar style to EtH so that there wouldn't be a need to change too much then and that EtH actually builds towards it.
Or in other words, your scenario would mean that the current approach to football actually is the "INEOS game model".
Which is why I don't see your line of thinking, it's more like a nightmare.(definitely not wishful thinking on my part
We are not getting relegated.
I'd like to think they were planning ahead but the longer this goes on, I feel like they probably were just crossing their fingers and hoping for the best in the summer.
Maybe something changed since then.
Of course, it could also be that they were planning for it but that they have terrible decision making too.
No most probably wont get relegated but we will be battling it based on our form. 6 games, played promoted teams, teams in relegation, mid table, top of the league, top 6 teams this season. So we have played a wide range of teams and the best we looked was 45 minutes against Palace who sit in the relegation zone, a game which we didn't win and played for the draw.
Now we look at underlying stats, we have the worst goal scoring team, 5 goals in 6 games, conceded plenty and could have lost 6-0 to both Spurs and liverpool and no one would have said we didn't deserve it.
We average just above a point a game which takes us to 44 points this season.
Some people will say sample size.. well we are also in the Europa league which is a 5-7th in the league competition and we are struggling in that competition too, it seems too good for us.
There are no excuses... we have had a fit squad barring LB, so I dont see why people think we are too good to go be in a relegation scrap? Our form, our tactics, our performances all point towards that direction.
We shit ourselves playing anyone in the top half of the table.. went to AV away and played not to lose.. guess which teams do that? Relegation standard.
Played 7 games, 4 of them have been against Liverpool, Spurs, Villa and Brighton Away. The other 3 were against Southampton, Fulham and Palace.
It was probably expected that we lost to Liverpool and Brighton Away, Spurs battering us at home was not as expected.
We beat Southampton and Fulham as expected, we were expected to beat Palace and drew, expected to lose to Villa who are in good form and we drew.
3 losses against teams most were expecting to beat us anyway. 1 draw we were expected to lose. 1 draw we were expected to win. 2 wins we were expected to win.
Yes this is Manchester United and we should be expected to beat everyone, but realistically the team have got the points that they should have, which is tragic but that is where the team is currently at.
If the team continues with what is expected, then we win against Brentford at home, Leicester at home, Ipswich away, Everton at home, Forest at home.
Whilst losing against Chelsea and Arsenal.
That is an expected 12 points from 18. My predictions are; Brentford DRAW, Leicester WIN, Ipswich WIN, Everton WIN, Forest WIN, Chelsea LOSS, Arsenal LOSS.
13 points from 7 games is much better than 8 points from 7 games.
I mean you have said exactly what I did, we cannot beat anyone in the top half and we should expect to draw against them as the best possible scenario. We beat Fulham and Southampton but it wasn't a easy win like you make it sound.
The bolded comment is actually a joke... are you saying after spending 600m, we should be satisfied going to Brighton to get beat? Go to Palace and Villa and play for the draw? Get 0 out of Spurs and be embarrassed ? The team is good enough to at least compete with any team in the PL, the issue is the coach.
Would you have said FC Twente was a expected home win? But we didn't get it, so there is proof that this team cannot do what is expected, so we could lose the next 3. There is no evidence this season that this team can beat any team above us in the league.
How can you be satisfied with not competing with any of the top 7 teams?
I'm confident we can avoid relegation but if our current form persists for another month or two it's hard to see how we break into the 10 top by season's end.
Settle down now.
Sums up the mains 86.5% of the time
What on earth?
Do they sack him if he loses to Brentford?
Probably not, it would make them look even stupider, and "it wouldn't be fair, they have all been away on international duty" "he hasn't had a chance to coach them", ignoring that the team generally gets shitter the longer he has with them, but if he does the fury of the fans will be something to behold.
Will probably win though.
Probably not, it would make them look even stupider, and "it wouldn't be fair, they have all been away on international duty" "he hasn't had a chance to coach them", ignoring that the team generally gets shitter the longer he has with them, but if he does the fury of the fans will be something to behold.
Will probably win though.
If we lose the next 3 PL games, or fail to win any, we will be dragged down into the relegation fight. I dont understand what is surprising?
We have scored 5 goals in 6 games and on a -3 goal difference, averaging 1.14 points per game in the first 20% of the games.
Looking at Ten Hags record generally, we dont do well away from home, considering we have played home games V Spurs and Liverpool, we have to go away. So Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, City we still need to go to and the max we can achieve based on Ten Hags previous is 3 points.
Then we also struggle against teams in the top 8, so home and away, so that is 40% of the PL we struggle to get a draw let alone win.
Now, add to that we struggle away generally, Palace, Brentford, Fulham, West Ham, Wolves are all difficult games.
If Ten Hag is manager, I cannot see us getting more than 45 points this season, considering 40 points is what 10 points off relegation zone in the last couple seasons.
Add to that we barely score more than 1 goal in the PL, so we are banking on a good defensive record? Oh wait... we are probably the easiest team in Europe to play against for the last 18 months.
I understand you. I think what we hope for is for the process to click eventually. But yeah, it's not going to magically happen in one game it'll be over time. (If it works)
There is absolutely zero threat of relegation. Ten Hag will steer us to 12th at very least and is probably capable of getting us into the top half.
I’m willing to bet that we finish at least 10 points above relegation with ten Hag in charge come May.
I have never said we are in risk of relegation, 10 points of relegation means you are in a relegation scrap.
If at the end of the season we finished 10 points of the title, you would say at some point in the season we would have been in a title race ?
I think we will finish bottom half but the next few weeks will be tough if we do not win our games. When you are looking at how far you are off relegation as a Manutd manager... you should be sacked on the spot.
We keep lowering standards, I accept being realistic but finishing anywhere below 4th should be instant sack considering he finished 8th last season.
So at the beginning of the season we were expected to lose already against Villa, Spurs and Pool at home ?
If that’s the expectation, ETH is doing great and we will do no better then 10th.
What’s the expectation at Pool away ? 6 or 7 goal for them ?
You are expecting us to finish no higher then 10. The manager messed with your head if that you think that’s where we are. We are better then that.
A lot of match going fans do like him too
I’m really scratching my head over this one.
Genuinely, can someone capable of making sensible points - not NLunited - explain to me a reason they may have kept him?
Genuinely, can someone capable of making sensible points - not NLunited - explain to me a reason they may have kept him?
Because, irrespective of ownership, Utd have consistently shown that when failing managers would have been shown the door at most other top clubs, they get an additional 6-12 months to 'turn it around' at Utd. So ETH is in that period. History tells us, they don't, and he won't!
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