If they are sticking with Ten Hag it's almost certainly over top 4 wise.
You'll find very few examples of a manager performing like a bottom 3rd side for over a year and turning it round to be a top 4 side mid season.
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You'll find very few examples of a manager performing like a bottom 3rd side for over a year and turning it round to be a top 4 side mid season.
To be fair you are bang on here, good observation.
We have indeed got gradualy worse over the course of Ten Hag's time here.
Oh Frank don't you have an electrical fuse box you need to be grabbing right about now??
The league is where it counts, the cup runs are good but lets be honest, as fans you want to see a good league campaign. At least where you go into games with confidence, looking forward to football matches on the weekend.
We are not writing the season of in terms of trophies because we may still be in the run in for one, but under Ten Hag, does anyone look forward to games?
I mean we can barely say with confidence we will beat Brentford. When we go into games against the top half, we think this team will get battered, let alone the top 4.
Ten Hag is the reason for such doom and gloom and the next few games is when INEOS will realise they should have pulled the trigger.
V Spurs down to 10 men the crowd tried to help the team in the 2nd half by supporting, chanting, then we had 2 away games so there was no way of fans showing their discourse. I can guarantee, if the Brentford performance is anything like the last 5, there will be a massive change in match going fans reactions.
Well yes if we stick with Ten Hag for another few months we will have a lot less to play for in the league, because we're going nowhere under him. Get rid of him in the next month though, plenty of time to rescue the season somewhat.
I think there will be far too much ground to make up by the next break.
Any news or leaks yet?
I don't know if I can manage another 3-4 weeks of watching us setting roots at bottom half of the table.
I don't know if I can manage another 3-4 weeks of watching us setting roots at bottom half of the table.
Yes i always look forward to United games, not to watch ETH or any of the players, but to watch United and the hope that today is the day it all turn good.. I know it wont happend, but i live for the hope.. I hope the days with ETH is soon over, so i can hope for something better
When you really have time to think about it it's insane he is still here.
Basically a public statement saying draws are considered a great result for us.
Basically a public statement saying draws are considered a great result for us.
This happens every international break. It's a great opportunity for the club to wait out pressure, especially since we didn't lose either of our last matches. It's expected that with players back and time with the new signings a style of play, and better results will develop. The problem for most of us is that we can remember how poor last season was as well, so to most the start of this season is more proof that last season wasn't an anomaly but our true level with this manager. It's incredibly frustrating, especially seeing all the negative records under ETH.
So they've sacked SAF instead.
It’s looking like he can get 6th or 7th and still keep his job
I don't think that is the case at all.
Aiming for 7th for Ten Hag is the same as Newcastle or Chelsea aiming for the title. Only in his wildest dream he can achieve that. I cannot see how we finish in the top half with Ten Hag in charge.
This whole situation is utterly bizarre.
There is just too many cooks and too many committees to ever get accountability and without accountability there is no seriousness. Say Ashworth and Berrada say sack whilst Wilcox and Brailsford say keep and there is a trophy grabbed from City in between, would the club be decisive?
We went from no structure to bloated and management by committee is never good. We need Ashworth to be the only football man with a voice on the board, all other directors must feed into him and it's up to him to decide and be judged by his decisions.
Apart from his tactics, which clearly don't work, the guy has no eye for a talent.
Not going to be Tuchel to save us then, seems like he's getting the England job.
This is sort of becoming a tragic game now after every international break. Perhaps we should have it included in the forum on the right hand side. I'd be surprised if we get move than 3 wins.
We obviously didn’t want him and rightly so
Not confident of any, but I will go with 2 - We should be beating Leicester both times.
In Europe we can't expect anything under EtH, we'll be lucky to get 2 draws there.
Is he efficient at anything? Serious question. Even Moyes was efficient at certain things at this level, he could do the basics that were required to get results in this league against sub bar opposition, with the right resources.
None and that is me being optimistic, if it was possible to be worse I would vote for that
Good thing our owner is not the decision maker. We’ll get a new manager, one that is actually the right fit and not Sir Jims mate
Looking at this fixture list is just more agonizing than anything. We could have had a clean slate, to really try and go on a run and salvage the season.
You don't sound like you're being optimistic.
Motivation - no. Communication - no. Scouting players and assessing talent - no. In game management - no. Tactical set up - no. Coaching - no.
Eroding expectations, conning ultra-naive fans and getting rewarded for failure - world class
Yeah hopefully we get one of Brailsford and Ashworths mates instead. Southgate or Potter, take your pick.
If we keep ETH then the only wins I can see us getting from our next 7 is Leicester at home in the League Cup (probably on pens) and a scrappy 1-0 against PAOK at home in the Europa.
Bit of a Caf meme this - feels like a massive nothing statement (to me).
We have a huge fan base, with thousands of different view points on any given matter. In what way is that fan base a lost cause?
What is it that the majority are supposed to be doing that people think they’re not? Interested in the views of those who think this to be a thing
I guess when they refer to ''the fans'' they're usually talking about those who attend Old Trafford regularly, otherwise as you say it's impossible to judge. If we're to go by social media alone ''the fans'' definitely aren't happy with the club/manager in any shape or form currently. The only thing the fans inside Old Trafford can do is either stop attending games, or let their voices be heard during the game via chants and banners.
In the way that the match-going fans don't leverage their influence when things go awry. There always is positive feedback at the end of matches, no issue how terrible the performance was that just disgraced Old Trafford.
When there is nothing to be happy about, voice your discontent and motivate the board to act. In general, give honest feedback to the team on and off the pitch.
I don't mean "don't support them during the match", absolutely do that every time because it's your club and you want it to succeed, but responsible fans make clear what standards they have and what level of performance they expect - and if what they see matches that. This (almost) never seems to happen at Old Trafford, and I (and others) believe that this is part of the reason why it looks as if being 14th is absolutely acceptable for the fans and no reason to change the direction of the club.
See lex's post above. I hope to god it's sarcasm for their sake. Bringing Arteta and Fergie up again
To be clear I don't agree with any of the rationales on offer for keeping ETH. He's had more than enough time to Make United Great Again and we're arguably actually worse now we were during the last days of Ole. But these are good faith rationales, however unconvincing they are.
The only serious question is who should replace ETH. But we are appear to be confronted with us is the dilemma over who, given the dire condition of the club, would want the job?
Which is why the “leave him coach and let the recruitment team worry about players” argument makes no sense to me.
Having no eye for talent whatsoever isn’t a problem that just goes away when he’s no longer responsible for bringing in the players. He’s still the one that has to judge player ability and pick a team every week out of the 25 or so players at his disposal.
How can people on one hand acknowledge he’s not a good judge of player, and then allow that same poor judgement to select a team week in, week out?
He’s a diabolical manager, and INEOS aren’t far behind for allowing this shitshow to continue.
Let ETH take the England job and they might finally win a trophy whilst performing abysmally.
I think we will win both of them plus at least one of Leicester and Brentford, if not both. This should be enough to give him some breathing room.
Or we could just hire a good manager who plays attacking football. E.g not Tuchel
I reckon the league game will be a proper relegation scrap. We prob wont win a PL game until the Leicester one which would mean we would be dragged down battling relegation.
So the Leicester game is a must win if we want to survive.
This is what Ten Hag has done, we are battling relegation teams now... sighh
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