I think he'll be sacked after Brentford beat us and we will scramble to convince Tuchel
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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I think it's way more likely he will be just above the line, probably gotten us to about 10th and surviving.
A mid table championship team took us to 3-3, was millimetres away winning in normal time, then lost to us on penalties. Yes we dominated for like 70 mins, but it’s scary how close a championship team came to turning us over in 20 mins despite being several behind.
I’ll have it. But saying the reason we won is because the referee didn’t do their job properly is false.
That’s my point really.
I always found that angle funny. They were awarded a dubious penalty in the dying moment, but somehow the narrative was that Coventry were hard done by. In reality it was the opposite.
Absolutely. That’s how I recall the game. Dubious penalty to Coventry and VAR legitimately ruling a goal for them offside.
If anything the onfield refs didn’t do their jobs properly as the decisions they made went against United, with the goal rightly being overturned by VAR.
Anyway it doesn’t look like @Fortitude is going to explain what he meant so we will just have to assume they misremembered events. I don’t recall anything else contentious in the game.
I think generally you have to respect that FA Cup run in isolation. United did amazingly well, beating the best teams in the country along the way. That can still be true, whilst acknowledging that Ten Hag has been generally poor as the United manager.
....or to allow it to continue for a little bit longer
Regardless of it being a dodgy penalty, it was some 2nd half capitulation. I know that in one off games it can happen, but we’d seen it during the season. Regardless of what happened in the final, that should have been his last match as manager of Manchester United. But I’m sure that we agree on that!
He’s never been the right man for the job, but I also respect his achievement in winning that cup. Pochettino never managed a trophy with a better squad in spurs. Winning trophies isn’t to be sniffed at.
Sarcasm?Wigan, Newport, Forest, Liverpool, Coventry and then City.
I’ll give you Liverpool and City.
City faced Huddersfield, Spurs, Luton, Newcastle, Chelsea and United. All bar one team were PL level.
Absolutely. There’s plenty to beat Ten Hag up over (and I want him gone) but the FA Cup run was really good and provided some fantastic memories we will all remember.
Seemed an odd thing to use as ammunition.
No it’s not but in his case it’s an aside, when we are going backwards in league progression and stumbling in Europe.
I think it’s an odd thing to use to have a pop at him though, especially suggesting referee errors helped him win it!
Wigan, Newport, Forest, Liverpool, Coventry and then City.
I’ll give you Liverpool and City.
City faced Huddersfield, Spurs, Luton, Newcastle, Chelsea and United. All bar one team were PL level.
Compare United’s run and City’s run. I’m delighted we won, it was a great day but it means nothing in isolation.
Actually, I've been running round London like a lunatic tour guide chaperoning people and snatching views of the caf to keep me sane.
I haven't the energy for long-winded discussion splitting hairs over a result that could have easily been called the other way, even on VAR.
@golden_blunder has summed it perfectly in my absence; the minutiae against Coventry is neither here nor there, for me
You can’t get by as United manager by just winning one off games with zero progression in it league. He can’t bring consistency in performance and he’s has long enough to implement that now which is why it’s time.
I agree. But on the flip side let’s not go overboard. He had 2 hard matches and the rest should have been an easy run. Jesus we almost cocked up at Newport
I think if you would have said that, rather than insinuate the referee made the wrong decision which resulted in United unjustly winning, it would have saved the debate!
I wasn't here (only spirit) so it wasn't a debate on my end.
No. You just dropped the hand grenade before making a swift exit..I wasn't here (only spirit) so it wasn't a debate on my end.
Anyway he’s still here, Ten Hag that is.
I’ve just been pondering who could be a good interim..
In a few weeks we’ll be in the relegation zone, so I’d imagine then.
It depends. If we place him on gardening leave, he's still technically an employee and we continue to incur his ongoing wage expense until his contract expires or he finds a new job. If we sack him, we do an immediate one-time write down of whatever severance amount he's owed (which usually comes out to significantly less than the full amount of what's left on his contract - I believe with our last few managers it came out to a year's worth of wages).
Yes, Liverpool and City?
Wigan, Newport, Forest, Liverpool, Coventry and then City.
I’ll give you Liverpool and City.
City faced Huddersfield, Spurs, Luton, Newcastle, Chelsea and United. All bar one team were PL level.
He had to beat the best teams in the country to win the trophy. I don’t see how that’s up for debate? They’re two of the best three teams.
I’m not advocating for him as United manager, by the way. But the cup run was genuinely impressive, in my opinion, Coventry capitulation aside.
Blowing a 2-0 lead against League Two Newport was very impressive too
Maybe you didn’t read my post, I said I’d give you Liverpool and City
Okay mate.
In continuously surprised at how desperate our own fans are to criticise every aspect of United, even when they win a cup. We all know United are poor right now.
Yes, and you asked if I was being sarcastic to begin with. I wasn’t, because he did beat two of the best teams to win that trophy.
I just think people are sick of people going overboard on both sides. Aside from Liverpool and city (which were glorious days) the rest of the run was stumblely against trans we really should be beating well. Thats when I don’t agree with this idea that it was a great cup run
I really don’t think I am going overboard at all, though. I think Ten Hag has been an overall failure and should be sacked. But winning the FA Cup and beating Liverpool and City along the way is an impressive achievement, regardless.
Yep. I’m unsure why it’s up for discussion.
Generally speaking, I don’t think fans are remotely desperate to criticize every aspect. If anything, I think most fans have been a lot more patient that fans of other clubs would have been.
The crux for me is that our underperformance in the league and in Europe under Ten Hag has been significant enough over an extended period of time that most of us are unwilling to view that cup success in isolation, or as some kind of shield from what are very valid points of criticism.
Yes, it was lovely to win a cup, and yes, there were some great performances against some very strong teams. But even in that cup run we still severely underperformed against some very weak teams, revealing many of the recurring failings and weaknesses that have plagued us in the league and in Europe (I.E. capitulating and conceding numerous goals in games that we should have buried).
Calling fans who point that out as “desperate to criticize” doesn’t seem like a particularly reasonable take to me.
It’s been a rollercoaster with Ten Hag that’s for sure!
The Barca games were brilliant, and the Liverpool semi/City final, even Newcastle in the League Cup. Picked up a couple of good wins against City, Arsenal, Liverpool in the league too.
On the flip side some horrendous defeats and capitulations though.
Just no consistency. Strange.
He’s a cup manager, but it’s the league where you’ll be judged. The same again this season won’t be enough to save him.
This suggests we don’t train as well, and that Ten Hag isn’t as good as they think
It would point to Eth not being capable of motivating the players on match day. Lacking poor man management skills. In the past he's often spoke about building a strong, fit, robust team that runs more than the opposition. This never materialised, and in most games we are the ones being overrun, outran, out muscled and out scored !!
I don’t see why you can’t be rational, and say that whilst Eric isn’t good enough, that winning the cup was a good achievement. I find that a balanced and reasonable view. I don’t see the need to needlessly criticise certain aspects.
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