its not just redcafe. Its the majority of fans. I had local mates who few days prior of the FA cup final were spitting on the floor whenever his name was mentioned (figuratively speaking) only to change tune mere days after the FA cup win
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its not just redcafe. Its the majority of fans. I had local mates who few days prior of the FA cup final were spitting on the floor whenever his name was mentioned (figuratively speaking) only to change tune mere days after the FA cup win
I'm aware the comment was tongue in cheek.
I don't disagree. I'm aware that a large portion of the fanbase is fickle and quickly changed their minds based on one game. My point was that your post seemed to be addressed at the people actively posting in this thread - most of whom have been fully entrenched, in one direction or the other, for a very long time now.
Fair enough. I have seen so many people commenting on it and the press twisting the truth that it started to annoy me.
I reckon people need to stop hanging on every tweet, the club isn’t leaking shit that much is obvious.
Wait for official announcements and until then it’s BAU.
Wait for official announcements and until then it’s BAU.
I mean that's your opinion but I disagree some bits. I don't think 8th was 'forgiven'. There was an expectation to enter 3rd with an immediate improvement which hasn't materialized yet and may not if we continue to keep him. I don't really have a problem with a view that he was worth a crack under a better structure, especially given the candidates available. Amorim or Xavi seemed interesting to me but it looks like neither was never really an option for whatever reason.
The players I named and the player needing to adopt a new role is certainly not nothing. And the new coaching staff is also not nothing.
I'm not really giving any argument for Ten Hag here. I'm just speaking generally that a team will need to gel to a new league and the squad will need to adapt to a new coaching staff. I dont think it should take as long as it has now given Ten Hag has been here for 2 years and a lot of the players have been here already. But I do think there's a teething in period for Dalot, De Ligt, Maz, Ugarte and Zirkzee irrespective of who the coach is.
I think he was 8points off top 4 and 7 points off a relegation place (Leeds being 17th).
Do you only talk about things that "bother you so much"? Why does it bother you so much that there's a lot of people talking about the poll?
I like the fact the press don't know zero about what's going on, they must hate knowing as little as we do.
They wouldn't care much. They can still invent these "next 2 games" stories and people would give them clicks.
I enjoy thinking they hate it, which helps a bit.
Dalot played the same role last season, the only difference is that ETH isn't switching his position with Mazraoui every other games like he did with AWB. Mazraoui isn't playing anything special, nor is De Ligt. In fact it should pointed that De Ligt and Mazraoui have the luxury of knowing each others, as footballer they grew up together in the same academy at the same time and then they played togehter at senior level, they are in a far better situation than if only one of them was integrated into the team. Ugarted is a non factor, he hasn't really played and there is no point good or bad to make regarding his influence on the team. And then we have Zirkzee who is the only decent argument when it comes to adaptation because he isn't playing in his favored role and has to learn something completely different.
And short term the coaching staff changes only make a big difference if the overall message is strikingly different but it isn't, ETH hasn't implemented a different tactic, it's the same tacticsw ith some tweaks implemented by different voices. And not surprisingly we have the similar results.
It doesn't. That's why I've not chronically moaned about it. I think I've done it twice ever, and no ones actually given a mature response.
On this forum?
From memory, by the time we got near the end of last season it was a decent majority that wanted him sacked, but the FA Cup win swung it to a very slim majority wanted him kept (I seem to remember a 51/49 split). Maybe I'm misremembering it, but I could swear that was the case.
Outside this forum it did seem like a large majority though.
If you weren’t a victim of confirmation bias, you would look at the full picture and take all data, compile it, then draw a conclusion. Most of us here have done that. Taking 2 or 3 data points out of 25 data points that support a your narrative while ignoring the other 23 is classic confirmation bias. Your analysis around the two or three points might be solid, but the very fact that you’ve ignored the rest is your downfall.
Example: Anchorage, Alaska had its coldest winter in 25 years in 2024, therefore we can conclude that climate change does not exist.
I know what confirmation bias is. I indirectly asked how you can accuse me of confirmation bias when you didn't even know what my conclusion was.
Also you assumed my conclusion was that Eric Ten Hag was a good manager, and then missed out what, 75% of his career as a manager when making your own point. Is that not confirmation bias?
Anyway you accused me of a conclusion I never made and assumed a bias. I dont even know what to call that. It's just weird targeting.
Don't believe it. It's clear now that Ineos aren't talking to anyone about this subject, so they're all guessing. I think it's safe to say that he won't be sacked at all this season now, otherwise they'd have done it already. If he doesn't get 8th place or above he'll probably go in the summer. Even then I wouldn't bank on it though as they seem to be liking what they're seeing so far, enough to want to keep him.
And I expect there'll be many more goals that save shit performances, and moments from our better players that will nick us points. So I just can't see it ever being so bad that he gets sacked.
Yeah im sick of this rubbish. I think the Porto Villa two games beeing important was also something the media just made up.
We’ve all seen your posts mate. We know where you stand. It’s fine. Just wanted to point it out to you and make you aware of what you are doing.
Patrolling people's posts and/or flippant remarks regarding a poll - in a thread with a poll - is hardly a masterclass in maturity. Especially with the framing you did.
It is a thread with a poll, people will comment on it. Moving on.
Why keep saying this kind of thing? I assume to stir things up.
Really pointless comments.
You haven't made me aware of anything outside of you making up conclusions and falling into a bias you accused me of.
Hitler Dead! Titanic Sunk!
I didn't know a post to ask why someone is bothered by a poll slightly changing was patrolling. Answering with "why are you bothered that I'm bothered" isnt the benchmark of maturity either.
You appear somewhat sensitive to a small question, let's leave it.
Honestly at this point can't see what it'll take to make them sack him
A freaking relegation battle?
A freaking relegation battle?
To be fair there’s very little maturity on show in this thread currently. Both sides of the coin.
Without looking on Google images, does Ten Hag have a beard, a goatee or is he cleanly shaved?
fecking brilliant post. Should be pinned or bookmarked.
Also 100% agreed that all the dinosaur managers like Warnock, Big Sam and Mick McCarthy would have us more coherent than Ten Hag.
Ah, I see. Chasing our own tails here. Obfuscate, misdirect and voila, you can claim victory. You’re “Back” you’ve been posting excuses for Ten Hag for over a year now. I probably shouldn’t have opened up this can of worms.
If you can’t see the obvious confirmation bias, you never will.
Have a good day mate.
You literally just said it
They really are the ultimate gaslightersThis is the new approach you seem to have. Label anyone who's rightfully pissed off with the manager situation into someone acting hysterical.
I am genuinely confused. You say misdirected when you've made up a conclusion I never stated, and then you accused me of confirmation bias when you were guilty of it in your own analysis.
Let's just call it a day, I agree.
Let’s be clear, there’s plenty of people unhappy who aren’t hysterical and there’s plenty of people unhappy who are being absolutely hysterical.
Hasn't this literally been the case every two games since Liverpool? I doubt he's going anywhere unless we literally lose every game. A lose and a draw in the next two would probably be enough to keep his job safe. At this point, it seems like they are determined to give him the season.
Based on their actions.
Again, do you only speak on stuff that bother you? When you go out of your way to ask people why they're commenting, contextually, and on-topic, on one of the anchors of a thread, then yes, you're patrolling.
You brought up "maturity", not me. This was an exercise you engaged in - I don't have a benchmark to hit nor expectations for you in that regards. I simply retorted that there's a disconnect in your behaviour and what you expect from others.
So you’re just guessing then!
I read somewhere that Dan Ashworth has only ever sacked a coach 2 times in 11 years as a technical director. No idea if that's true or not as it seems ridiculously low. But if so, he seems more on the side of stability than ambition.
Nobody said it wasn't, just that the meeting was already scheduled. Saying the meeting wasn't specifically about the poor form doesn't mean it wasn't discussed.
If this is the thinking then there is absolute no use in waiting to fire him. If you’re saying he is safe till Dec or June then fine but if you’re just saying I’m going to see for only 2 more games then could have fired him and used this break for the interim to settle in. It looks like it’s not only the players who go to shit when they come to United, the executives seem to become incompetent as well! We are truly cursed!
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