Yes, yes. You were right. Well done. Can we please move the feck on from all of these "I told you so, look how clever I was" posts from the usual suspects, please?
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Did I say it was factual? All we can go off is their actions to date, and they've been put in a situation twice already when they have every reason to sack our underperforming coach, and yet they decided not to. So what shall we deduce from that? That they will sack this guy if he doesn't win the next two? I'd say that is a pretty ridiculous theory right now, and if they did that then they would look beyond foolish. I hope they don't sack him if we lose the next two as that would mean we've got a group of plonkers running the club and we're in bigger trouble than a falling coach.
I wasn't 100% sure but I managed to find a site that allows you to view the table on a certain date. United on the 21st November 2021, the day after the 4-1 Watford defeat. Were in 7th place with 17 points. 6 points off 4th and 8 points off the relegation zone.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-table...Aug-13/todate:2021-Nov-21/type:home-and-away/
Don't we all at this point?
Ten Hag shouldn't be compared with Ole any more. Clearly Ole was levels above.
He's got something that looks like a goatee but he trains it to be a full on beard. He also tells people in post match interviews that he's clean shaven.
I wasn't going out of my way. I was on this thread and asked a question after seeing multiple posts complain about the poll. That's not really patrolling.
I dont know why you got so offended by the question. It wasn't flippant, you seem quite sensitive.
Honestly don't see how he turns this around. He simply can't get enough goals in this team and that comes from poor transfer decisions. I'd like to be proven wrong but i'm not seeing an improvement anytime soon, unless Hojlund suddenly starts scoring a lot.
https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/premier-league/22-november-2021/
According to this we were on 17pts when he was sacked and 6 points off Leeds in relegation. We were also 6 points off West Ham in 4th. So bang in the middle really. If It helps I corroborated this with Chat gpt as well
Anyway, I think being in that position by mid-november is more than sackable. It's basically the same sort of position Ten Hag finds himself in now but after 12 games into the PL Campaign, instead of 7.
November 2028
These two next games against Tranmere Rovers and Grimsby Town will play a key part in Ten Hag's fate at the club.
These two next games against Tranmere Rovers and Grimsby Town will play a key part in Ten Hag's fate at the club.
We were 8th back then. We're now 14th. It seems like a big difference to me.https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/premier-league/22-november-2021/
According to this we were on 17pts when he was sacked and 6 points off Leeds in relegation. We were also 6 points off West Ham in 4th. So bang in the middle really. If It helps I corroborated this with Chat gpt as well
Anyway, I think being in that position by mid-november is more than sackable. It's basically the same sort of position Ten Hag finds himself in now but after 12 games into the PL Campaign, instead of 7.
It's also worth remembering that the previous season we finished 2nd. Even with all of that goodwill Ole was still sacked when we dropped to 8th.
https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/premier-league/22-november-2021/
According to this we were on 17pts when he was sacked and 6 points off Leeds in relegation. We were also 6 points off West Ham in 4th. So bang in the middle really. If It helps I corroborated this with Chat gpt as well
Anyway, I think being in that position by mid-november is more than sackable. It's basically the same sort of position Ten Hag finds himself in now but after 12 games into the PL Campaign, instead of 7.
Same table mate, but Leeds aren't in the relegation zone. They were sitting in 17th, we were 8 points above Burnley in 18th.
We were averaging 1.4 points per game up until the sacking. This season we've averaged 1.1 per game and would have to win 3 of our next 5 games just to match the points total that finished Ole's United career. Even 3 wins and a draw would have everyone thinking we've turned a corner but it would only be 1 point better off than when Ole was sacked.
Brentford Home
West Ham Away
Chelsea Home
Leicester Home
Ipswich Away
So it's doable but I wouldn't bet on it in our current form if I was being honest.
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Big news about Tuchel if true. Erik will be popping the champagne tonight.
You keep projecting feelings on to me - really weird way of conversing. I've not been rude or anything, not called you out of your name or anything adjacent, just answered your questions and pointed out what reads as a disconnect to me.
You're in a poll with a thread asking people why they're commenting on the movement of said poll and why are they bothered by it - already a peculiar, and flawed take. Then you start talking about maturity, and now, for replying to you, I'm offended and sensitive. Brother, what is this?
You mean that there’s talks about the England job?
Or maybe agent that want Manchester United to act?
Yeah, if it's true.
What a business plan to have 2 defeats in a row and we’ll sack you . Just do it already Ineos and co are just delaying the inevitable .
According to some German media, Tuchel is in talks with England, so we'll soon find out whether we're going to pursue Tuchel or stick with ten Hag.
Grumpy doesn’t begin to cover the mood this thread is awash with.
Breeding contempt and morale really dipping, and it’s not just online… it’s going to get worse.
I just cannot believe this is part of some grand design.
International break normally calms things down, but every day of silence is actually building tension and animosity.
If he’s here by Brentford, it’s going to be a pressure cooker environment.
Breeding contempt and morale really dipping, and it’s not just online… it’s going to get worse.
I just cannot believe this is part of some grand design.
International break normally calms things down, but every day of silence is actually building tension and animosity.
If he’s here by Brentford, it’s going to be a pressure cooker environment.
Why would he? Tuchel turned down the Utd job 3 months ago ?
Not people, just an inocious post to you after reading complaints by many. It wasn't targeted I was genuinely curious after reading another complaint about the polls, so I thought I'd ask.You keep projecting feelings on to me - really weird way of conversing. I've not been rude or anything, not called you out of your name or anything adjacent, just answered your questions and pointed out what reads as a disconnect to me.
You're in a poll with a thread asking people why they're commenting on the movement of said poll and why are they bothered by it - already a peculiar, and flawed take. Then you start talking about maturity, and now, for replying to you, I'm offended and sensitive. Brother, what is this?
You then replied claiming the question was flippant and that I was "patrolling" posts. This after I said I've hardly ever commented on it before apart from one instance.
The wild thing is you now said I was projecting feelings. Let's leave it here, I think you are somewhat defensive about a harmless question.
Yes thanks for correcting.
So my point still stands in that, Ole was sacked having got 14 games and being in the same sort of position as Ten Hag is now.
Ten Hag is on the chopping block right now after 7 games and that's likely due to the goodwill being stronger on Ole coming back off a season finishing 2nd, as @Mr Pigeon pointed out.
I wouldn't really complain much if the manager was sacked now and no one can complain when Ole was sacked. If Ten Hag got 11 pts from the next 15, he wouldn't be sacked then either.
Every day of silence? He isn’t leaving. There was only going to be an announcement if they fired him. It’s evident he is staying for now.
I'm done. Mentioned it in the last post.
Yeah I've really noticed that the last few times I've been in here. As miserable as it has been.
Yup. The environment is already fecking toxic. The way people are turning on each other. It’s just sad. Probably the worst period in our history since before World War II.
No worries.
Probably not no but sadly I doubt we're getting 3 wins and 2 draws in our next 5 games. If we lose 2-3 of the next 5 and maybe draw 1 I reckon that'll be that the club will pull the trigger in November.
You’d think if he was going, he’d have gone by now.
Unless he’s gone to Ibiza again and turned his phone off
Unless he’s gone to Ibiza again and turned his phone off
This is absolutely not the worst period in the clubs history since WW2
He better get on with the program because, when Ten Hag shits the bed again, Ashworth's head is going to be on the chopping block alongside ETH's.
We don't know that. There were many stories, including one that he wanted some time away from it. There's also been stories that he'd be interested in taking over here if we sack ETH. Plus most journos have him as our preferred option, and the one we tried for in summer.
It's worse in the aspect that the fans can have a go at each other every day via the Internet. In those days you'd have to enter a pub/tavern to give a ETH supporter a dig in the head.
It’s not really clear what is happening behind the scenes, which is why the speculation is rife and the fantasy scenarios are taking on a life of their own.
We’re the talk of the game, for all the wrong reasons at the moment and that’s going to intensify if they remain silent.
A better coach would have more ideas for attack and would no doubt get more out of the players at his disposal. This is not just the players it’s also about how ETH envisages them playing
Unfortunately I don't see it getting any better until either a) results & performances drastically improve under ETH or b) He is finally sacked. Based on the past 18 months or so, a is looking increasingly unlikely. It's hard to remain calm considering how bad we've been for so long.
I've never enjoyed football less than at the current moment. Yes, LVG's reign was incredibly boring it but it still genuinely felt like we were laying foundations and building something. We also weren't getting absolutely battered once a month, which was nice. This just feels like a dire descent into depths we haven't seen before for this team.
INEOS will be conducting a bigger search than the one for Jay Slater.
And I answered you - it's on topic and one of the anchors of this thread. Your framing is what led me to say you're patrolling because for one - you said a lot of people were talking about the poll (it's a poll thread bro) and your next comment assumed one had to be bothered by it to do so. Flawed at best, bad faith at worst.
For clarification, I never said your question was flippant. That was a qualifier I added to my own post. See: "Patrolling people's posts and/or flippant remarks regarding a poll"
You have - "sensitive" and "defensive" for replying to your engagements. I've never seen you just say "my bad", it really shouldn't be that hard
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