bosskeano
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sack him and bring in the lad from Sporting before he winds up at City to replace Pep
He has surpassed my expectation as in never in my wildest dream have I ever considered the possibility of United sitting at 14th position.
While this is obvious think about how stupid it is to continue to with thought process.
We all know he will be sacked eventually (End of the season at the latest) No better time than now, why willingly throw the season away.but also this should be easy enough because I'm the ETH era a draw counts as a good result
Draw puts us in a limbo. We can’t fire him but we can’t back him. We must act dead and say nothing.This is nonsense, there’s no way any club would act like this. What happens if we draw those two games as well, does he then get another two games? Where does it end? That cycle could theoretically go on forever.
At some point his contract ends and if he didn't win enough by that time to get a new contract and didn't lose enough to be sacked earlier, than this will be the simple end of the road.This is nonsense, there’s no way any club would act like this. What happens if we draw those two games as well, does he then get another two games? Where does it end? That cycle could theoretically go on forever.
This cannot happen either because apparently you cannot allow a manager to go into a season with only a year left so by default we must extend his contract at the end of this season.At some point his contract ends and if he didn't win enough by that time to get a new contract and didn't lose enough to be sacked earlier, than this will be the simple end of the road.
However the non-decisive board will then have too review the situation, look for new candidates and will offer a new contract to the best possible candidate who is called Erik ten Hag. So probably you are right, it could go on forever...
Yes, 7 games in. Ole was at this stage in mid november.
By the way I'm not arguing against Ten Hag's current situation being sackable. I would understand it. But you asked about the next 5 games and whether its sackable if he did xyz. I gave my answer - and that situation improves upon the one we're in now, unlike Ole.
We were.Were we not 6th or 7th and only 6 points off 4th when Ole got sacked?
While this is obvious think about how stupid it is to continue to with thought process.
We all know he will be sacked eventually (End of the season at the latest) No better time than now, why willingly throw the season away.but also this should be easy enough because I'm the ETH era a draw counts as a good result
14% is not a lot in isolation. But, when you consider the circumstances, where we are, i think 14% is way higher than it should. Hopefully you are right that people can just not be arsed to change their vote, fair enough.
2 domestic cup runs, that is something alright, fair enough again.
The pendulum has swung indeed. Aside from very few who would not turn their backs on him if we were battling relegation with 3 games to go and would still seek the root of the issue elsewhere, pretty much everyone that supported him weeks ago is now in full out sack mode.I still haven't seen many posters back Ten Hag since the Spurs result, normally you get a few that back the manager.
Can't go into a new season with an expiring contract because that signals the leadership doesn't trust the manager. Publicly meeting with every manager in Europe over the summer as a potential replacement is perfectly fine though, that doesn't signal lack of trust at all!This cannot happen either because apparently you cannot allow a manager to go into a season with only a year left so by default we must extend his contract at the end of this season.
OIe deserved to be fired but just to note we were 6 points off 4th and 8 points behind Liverpool, we are currently 6 points off 4th and 10 points behind Liverpool. In fairness it doesn't matter because then we were coming off the back of finishing 2nd and what looked like a really ambitious summer, we're now a club that has a new reality of being a slightly above average Premier League side that is hoping to develop so I'm not sure there's any point in using how we performed under Ole as a reference point.Yes, its about how much closer you are to the bottom vs the top. And it's not all I referenced. Ole was 23 pts off Liverpool and 4 pts off 16th when he was sacked.
Also, there's a whole second part of the post that's pretty vital when talking about sackings and that's form. If Ten Hag got 3 wins and 1 draw out of 5 games, the form wouldn't be considered sackable like Ole's was.
It’s incomprehension, not condescension. That’s just your inference.Three posts just today, and this is a constant with you. Please cut out the condescension.
While this is obvious think about how stupid it is to continue to with thought process.
We all know he will be sacked eventually (End of the season at the latest) No better time than now, why willingly throw the season away.but also this should be easy enough because I'm the ETH era a draw counts as a good result
The pendulum has swung indeed. Aside from very few who would not turn their backs on him if we were battling relegation with 3 games to go and would still seek the root of the issue elsewhere, pretty much everyone that supported him weeks ago is now in full out sack mode.
Totally agree mate, but I am not going to believe the press that the above is the actual plan. Seems like easy click bait.Looking at individual results or pairs of games is a complete mugs game. No serious owner or football director would think in those terms unless they're rank amateurs. No fan with half a brain should think in those terms either.
We are not heading for a top half finish let alone a top 4/5/6 finish on form stretching back to December 2023. We are not going to get anywhere close to a Europa league title, that we were favourites to win, based on our form stretching all the way back to those Barcelona games, the last time we weren't shite in Europe.
Beating Brentford or Leicester or PAOK or even all 3 obviously doesn't change those trajectories.
We were.
And some idiot said it was meaningless!True, just for a moment I thought I could build up some hope. But United currently is so shit, that even that didn't work.
F***** Twente? That United couldn't win that match feels like a mistake in the Matrix and I still haven't fully processed that result.
Fecking hell, i missed the "if" in that tweet too
I thought so. Compared to the last 12 months that run that got Ole the boot wasn't even that bad in comparison.
None to be honest, just media speculation, Ole is well thought of here but nobody wants him back in chargeAny murmurs/rumblings about Ole? I've seen an interesting article today.
And that's totally understandable. What is not understandable to me, is how is the league position not a matter of urgent business?There would still be meetings about the business of the club regardless of league position.
Funnily after 7 games we had 14 points and were 4th. October and November were catastrophic but the team actually showed some good things at some point, this season only rely on hope that things completely turnaround out of nothing which is always possible but the last 18 months create a bit of skepticism.
While this is obvious think about how stupid it is to continue to with thought process.
We all know he will be sacked eventually (End of the season at the latest) No better time than now, why willingly throw the season away.but also this should be easy enough because I'm the ETH era a draw counts as a good result
It will probably be 15% when we are 15th in the table.Back up to 14% so the momentum is on his side.
This is farcical. So if we draw these games, it's still unclear on what to do, so the next 2 games then become the most important? Are we going to continue like this for the rest of the season?
We don’t know exactly why things aren’t working. What we do know is that Ten Hag is all about details, what you say makes sense.
The players can’t perform consistently. It seems to me that Ten Hag is putting down very high markers and demands that can’t be met by the players yet.
Other top teams manage it; dumbing down or going for an easier strategy won’t make us competitive with them.
This.And that's totally understandable. What is not understandable to me, is how is the league position not a matter of urgent business?
Genuine question, do you have more time for him because he’s Dutch? Or are you generally this willing to forgive and accept with all our managers?We don’t know exactly why things aren’t working. What we do know is that Ten Hag is all about details, what you say makes sense.
The players can’t perform consistently. It seems to me that Ten Hag is putting down very high markers and demands that can’t be met by the players yet.
Other top teams manage it; dumbing down or going for an easier strategy won’t make us competitive with them.
A problem only if we keep believing these media created "watch out next 2 games" stories. This 2 game theories were done prior to the October international break as well. At some point people would need to call out the media BS.This is nonsense, there’s no way any club would act like this. What happens if we draw those two games as well, does he then get another two games? Where does it end? That cycle could theoretically go on forever.
I said he deserves to be sacked if we get to mid november and find ourselves 4 points off 16th, much closer to relegation than the top (Ole was 23 points off that).That’s because you said he would deserve to be sacked if he had us in the same position as Ole, so thought it was only suitable to point out that he’d actually need to improve considerably to even get there. We are currently in a worse position than we have been in for… well, a long time. I also fear it’s not the bottom yet.
We were 7th, but I'm unsure what relation that has to my point?Were we not 6th or 7th and only 6 points off 4th when Ole got sacked?
Objectively there's a strong argument that Ten Hag deserves a firing now too.OIe deserved to be fired but just to note we were 6 points off 4th and 8 points behind Liverpool, we are currently 6 points off 4th and 10 points behind Liverpool. In fairness it doesn't matter because then we were coming off the back of finishing 2nd and what looked like a really ambitious summer, we're now a club that has a new reality of being a slightly above average Premier League side that is hoping to develop so I'm not sure there's any point in using how we performed under Ole as a reference point.
No, it's condescension. Or 'laughing at', if you like that better. Again, please stop it. I'm saying this as a moderator.It’s incomprehension, not condescension. That’s just your inference.
Some of the takes of late are nuts.
Doesn’t help that it’s international week I suppose.
Some people could do with just calming down a little
Basically if we lose to Brentford and/or Fenerbache all the club big wigs will meet in London for 6 hours to decide if the next 2 games after that will decide Ten Hag's fate.