So what is it then? The players? I’m saying it’s a combination of factors and the implementation/execution of the tactics is a major issue.
It’s possible a different manager gets it working, it’s also possible he struggles as well.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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It’s possible a different manager gets it working, it’s also possible he struggles as well.
Dont worry the usual trolls will disappear again in a week when the football starts up and the drawn out humiliation of Hag and his admirers moves into its next chapter.
I enjoyed the latest Stretty Paddock delusional rant from Howson about how it's all the 'charlatan players' fault.
Yep, the charlatan team very much in the image of its charlatan manager. He's now signed/given new contracts to every single player in the squad except Lindelof and Maguire. Funnily enough the two players who he preferred to £100m of his ex-Ajax CBs against Villa.
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Easy one to argue against, continuing to leave the club in free fall month after month and year after year will cost us much more.
Back up to 14% so the momentum is on his side.
9pts from 15 would be a big improvement yes. I don't think we would be 4pts off 16th place if that happened.
You seem insistent on the scoreline being reflective of the game. Which is fine, but then you'd need to probably agree that we deserved a draw from Brighton and a win from palace.
Interesting juxtaposition.
Three posts just today, and this is a constant with you. Please cut out the condescension.
While this is obvious think about how stupid it is to continue to with thought process.
We all know he will be sacked eventually (End of the season at the latest) No better time than now, why willingly throw the season away.but also this should be easy enough because I'm the ETH era a draw counts as a good result
We are performing like a 10-15th place team after 2,5 years and 600m spent on players and we still have 14% backing him. We could be struggling in the championship in a few years and this guy would still have a solid fan club. True immortal. And i still have no clue what he has done here to earn the support and trust.
Whether we would be 4 points off 16th or not depends on how other teams perform. We would probably be about 4 points off 14th or 15th., most of the teams above us are quite good actually. Actually, would you want him fired if he were to win 3 of the next 5 games and get us to 17 points? (kidding, you don't need to answer, I know the answer very well
)I don't think we deserved both. Brighton were the better team against us, and Palace game we dominated in the first half but they had better chances towards the end (we were actually pretty bad in the last 30 mins after subs). Under better circumstances we could have probably got another point or two. To be fair we had so much luck last season in that regard (performance wise we were nowhere near being the 8th best team in the league) that we are probably due to return some of that this year.
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ten Hag hasn't been made aware of this but some random journo has. Yeah.
And now we all know, too. Soon the entire world will know except for Ten Hag, and he'll be wondering what's up with the players whispering behind his back. Eventually, Ruud will close the dressing room in front him, and then he'll understand: they're preparing a surprise for his birthday!
Yeah, those journalists are really just having fun here.
This is just the new Porto and Aston Villa. If he scraped two jammy draws he'll be safe and sound.
I think we will be expected to beat Brentford. Fenerbahce is a tough one.
They're clearly not giving him that ultimatum though, it would be utterly idiotic to.
Eric doesn't know, Eric doesn't knooooow
so it's Porto and Villa games all over again?
Oh my...
I just started writing a response to you that it's ridiculous to call Fehnerbace a tough one, considering that they did not even win against Twente on last matchday.
But then I remembered how United played (at home!) against Twente and deleted everything I wrote.
Going away to Turkey is always difficult. Even in the best of times we struggled there.Oh my...
I just started writing a response to you that it's ridiculous to call Fehnerbace a tough one, considering that they did not even win against Twente on last matchday.
But then I remembered how United played (at home!) against Twente and deleted everything I wrote.
This is the biggest issue. It’s now become terminal and even if he pulls a few decent results, we won’t progress under him. Just cut the cord now, and let’s start fresh.
Yeah it's not though if you read some of the rubbish being spouted. Theorising as to whether Ten Hags tactics are actually just beyond understanding of players etc.
How do you know they're not executing his tactics?
You're basing this all on the notion that his tactics would be better than those of the opposition, and if followed would be successful. And that opposition managers couldn't find ways to exploit the tactics, if followed correctly. There's no evidence for this argument, but a hell of a lot against it.
True, just for a moment I thought I could build up some hope. But United currently is so shit, that even that didn't work.
F***** Twente? That United couldn't win that match feels like a mistake in the Matrix and I still haven't fully processed that result.
I have no clue how someone can think 14% is a solid fan club. Its obvious that most of the people who backed him haven't changed the vote or haven't been on for a while.
People are also entitled to their opinion. I mean he has won 2 trophies, so he has done something, unless in your mind trophies is not good and you dont want United to win trophies.
Yeah Twente game feels ridiculous. I made a point last year that a manager of a Polish league team would be under threat of losing their job for not even getting third in a group with Galatasaray and Copenhagen, it's the same with our EL campaign so far. If a Lech/Legia coach fails to win v Twente at home, questions will definitely be asked. If we fail to get 4-5 points against Fenerbahce, PAOK and Bodo it will be quite ridiculous indeed.
I suppose the argument may be to save some money and the "right" candidate isn't available now but might or will be next summer.
I'm not wrong though, am I? Like clockwork. They disappear and only return once it all blows over to try to start trying to offer up their shit takes once again. Nobody wants to hear it anymore. Oh, and hahahaha. Fecking hilarious pal.
If we get at least 9 points from 15, that's relatively better than the teams will be likely to pick up above us. The Forrest, Fulham, Brentford and Bournemouth sides likely wont pick up a minimum of 9 in their next 15 available points.Whether we would be 4 points off 16th or not depends on how other teams perform. We would probably be about 4 points off 14th or 15th., most of the teams above us are quite good actually. Actually, would you want him fired if he were to win 3 of the next 5 games and get us to 17 points? (kidding, you don't need to answer, I know the answer very well
I don't think we deserved both. Brighton were the better team against us, and Palace game we dominated in the first half but they had better chances towards the end (we were actually pretty bad in the last 30 mins after subs). Under better circumstances we could have probably got another point or two. To be fair we had so much luck last season in that regard (performance wise we were nowhere near being the 8th best team in the league) that we are probably due to return some of that this year.
Regarding what we deserved, I am happy to account for Brighton being neither here nor there (I disagree they were the better side) , but we certainly deserved 3 versus Palace. That would have put us around 8th place currently which is a big difference to 14th. Not that 8th matters in isolation because it's still not good enough, but the difference with last season is there is data that suggests we should have picked up more points certain games, whilst losing as deserved in others.
To your point in bold - I wouldn't consider say, 3 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss in the next 5 PL games as sackable. I don't think anyone objective would.
So essentially you think he should stay if he can have us where Ole had us in 21-22 (when he got sacked).
As I said I don't think those results would have us 4 points off 16th place, and its also about the trajectory when a manager is sacked. Ole was sacked when he was getting 1 win in 7 whereas in this hypothetical, Ten Hag would be coming off an improved trajectory that's objectively a decent standard. Of course the other competition form matters too, if he's winning those there's less of a concern on top.
Why would you focus so much on how far from the 16th place we are? Is there anything especially important about that particular spot that makes it a reference point?
In which case how far above 16th point should we aim to finish this season for it to be acceptable?
Yes, its about how much closer you are to the bottom vs the top. And it's not all I referenced. Ole was 23 pts off Liverpool and 4 pts off 16th when he was sacked.
Also, there's a whole second part of the post that's pretty vital when talking about sackings and that's form. If Ten Hag got 3 wins and 1 draw out of 5 games, the form wouldn't be considered sackable like Ole's was.
If it's because of the payoff, then I hope they have done the maths on us finishing in the bottom half. Seems like such a crazy gamble over what to united is about a 5th on what they pay for shite players.
It's clear they don't want to sack him. Looks like INEOS will drag it out until it becomes untenable and by then 4th will be impossible. So we are looking at another lost season without UCL football. Maybe they can pull out a win in Europa, but not if they're playing like this
We are closer to relegation than we are to top 4, and closer to bottom than top now.
Yes, 7 games in. Ole was at this stage in mid november.
By the way I'm not arguing against Ten Hag's current situation being sackable. I would understand it. But you asked about the next 5 games and whether its sackable if he did xyz. I gave my answer - and that situation improves upon the one we're in now, unlike Ole.
14% is not a lot in isolation. But, when you consider the circumstances, where we are, i think 14% is way higher than it should. Hopefully you are right that people can just not be arsed to change their vote, fair enough.
2 domestic cup runs, that is something alright, fair enough again.
That’s because you said he would deserve to be sacked if he had us in the same position as Ole, so thought it was only suitable to point out that he’d actually need to improve considerably to even get there. We are currently in a worse position than we have been in for… well, a long time. I also fear it’s not the bottom yet.
Like clockwork. Always the next two games. I love this club. Pure banter.He'll surely be able to get a point or two out these games. With shit on a stick football as usual but still. And surely that will be enough to keep him for at least the next two games that will be really really crucial for his fate.
If I were a betting man I'd wager on it being the former.
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