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How in the hell could you possibly know there is no chance?

Nobody has a clue about how they operate in the background
Well is the manager still here? Yes. I don’t know if the payment goes down the later they sack him or what.
 
No we don’t. We need experienced staff to come to their own decisions without a bunch of morons turning up at their house etc, or leaving idiotic death threats on social media. Who votes for what in that meeting is absolutely none of yours, mine or any other Joe public’s business
Also, simple statement like 'x wanted to keep Ten Hag and y didn't', cause you need to know the arguments. It's certain that no-one is saying Ten Hag is doing well.
 
I dunno about turning up at their houses with pitchforks, but when you have an executive team getting paid hundreds of millions deciding the fate of a football club, I think they deserve at least the same level of scrutiny and accountability as the manager. And if there is the possibility of too many cooks and disagreements among them even moreso.
We don’t need to know, we don’t know the context of their thoughts. All it does is make it open season for the knuckle draggers to come out from under their rock again
 


Pennies in the grand scheme of things, the damage to the clubs reputation if he gets another season will be worse
 
Of course it would cost more money. You sack him and you have to pay off his contract, plus pay the wages of the guy who replaces him.

Which is exactly the same concept to every club in world football who sacks a manager.

It’s not and should never be our concern. He gets paid the remainder of his contract or maybe we settle on a pay off. Eitherway it should never be a deterrent to getting rid of an underperforming manager.
 
We don’t need to know, we don’t know the context of their thoughts. All it does is make it open season for the knuckle draggers to come out from under their rock again

That will probably happen anyway in some form if results keep spiralling.

Look at Woodward. Okay he was a useless CEO, but still seemed a decent guy and genuinely wanted the club to succeed. Didnt deserve masked twats all over his lawn. But because he was the lone decision maker he had nowhere to hide from the scrutiny.

Now we have 6 of them and if things keep going wrong it'll turn into a merry go round of passing the buck.
 

A big part of a football focused ownership group is that they will prioritize the big decisions regardless of cost and adjust their spend elsewhere. You gotta manage your finances but the manager just needs to be right. If he's not the one going forward, you sack him asap and absorb the cost and find the right person. If it impacts the transfer market, so be it.
 
Look at Woodward. Okay he was a useless CEO, but still seemed a decent guy and genuinely wanted the club to succeed. Didnt deserve masked twats all over his lawn. But because he was the lone decision maker he had nowhere to hide from the scrutiny.
I didn't expect someone saying this in hindsight about Woodward. Did expect even less that I would agree. Woodward clearly lacked football knowledge and didn't have the support he would have needed to do a better job (which was his own fault as he could have signed top people for that job just like INEOS now tried), but he clearly had some kind of standards and clear red lines that a manager couldn't cross without consequences.

I don't get the feeling that these standards Woodward (ffs...) had still exist.
 
That will probably happen anyway in some form if results keep spiralling.

Look at Woodward. Okay he was a useless CEO, but still seemed a decent guy and genuinely wanted the club to succeed. Didnt deserve masked twats all over his lawn. But because he was the lone decision maker he had nowhere to hide from the scrutiny.

Now we have 6 of them and if things keep going wrong it'll turn into a merry go round of passing the buck.
That’s why our scrutiny should be with the boss who put the structure together - Ratcliffe, rather than individuals. Individuals don’t need to be open to bullying
 
My favourite part of all this is how an headline comes out and no matter its vailidity or shallowness certain people run with it and make obscene scenarios in their heads as though it’s fact! Great entertainment :lol:
 
United can obviously afford to sack him - that isn't a major issue here.

(And the idea that Jim is reluctant to pull the trigger because of PSR is blatantly ridiculous.)
 
United can obviously afford to sack him - that isn't a major issue here.

(And the idea that Jim is reluctant to pull the trigger because of PSR is blatantly ridiculous.)
From Jims comments and rumours(if true), he seems to be most keen to sack him.
 


Pennies in the grand scheme of things, the damage to the clubs reputation if he gets another season will be worse

You dont't think it would be worse to have the reputation of being a club that sacks the manager the moment the going gets a bit tough? What kind of signal does that send out to the world? Not only to aspiring managers out there but also as a life lesson in general. Money can't buy love and loyalty.
 
I don't believe anyone could actually argue for ETH staying at this point and not come across as insane/deluded.

If it's been a discussion then surely he'd be sacked.

No football related discussion could possibly lead to him staying imo
"It would cost us seventeen million pounds" is the only possible argument.
 
Worst part in delaying this is that I'm dreading watching our games these days. I can't stop myself from watching, but I no longer look forward to it. I was hoping with some kind upcoming fixtures this would have been a great time to get a new manager and inject some positivity around the team. Really can't take another month of this.
 
Worst part in delaying this is that I'm dreading watching our games these days. I can't stop myself from watching, but I no longer look forward to it. I was hoping with some kind upcoming fixtures this would have been a great time to get a new manager and inject some positivity around the team. Really can't take another month of this.

Hear ya mate. All I care about is watching young players develop at this point. Only thing that keeps me interested. I'll always watch and support the Club, just not that fun right now. Hopefully, always darkest before the dawn and all that....
 
It’s funny watching journalists scramble for word counts and clicks in a vacuum of information.
 
I'd say that's extremely hopeful rather than a grey area.

I think everybody deep down knows they would have moved him on in the summer if we didn't win the cup. They stuck with him because of that and are now in a tricky position.

Doesn't mean INEOS are a disaster but we can accept they've made a decent sized mistake. Rather than hoping there's some data which justifies hanging onto him.

Either way this club badly needs to start acting like an elite sporting environment

You dont't think it would be worse to have the reputation of being a club that sacks the manager the moment the going gets a bit tough? What kind of signal does that send out to the world? Not only to aspiring managers out there but also as a life lesson in general. Money can't buy love and loyalty.
If we sacked a manager the moment things get a bit tough then Ten Hag would be gone long, long before the start of this season.
 
Which is exactly the same concept to every club in world football who sacks a manager.

It’s not and should never be our concern. He gets paid the remainder of his contract or maybe we settle on a pay off. Eitherway it should never be a deterrent to getting rid of an underperforming manager.

I fully agree with you. I was just responding to the question you asked.
 
As many had stated, the silence from the board is telling. It's almost certain that ETH will be gone. None of the football structure people come out to defend ETH in the media even though strong rumors circling around that ETH will be sacked. Finger crossed.
 
A big part of a football focused ownership group is that they will prioritize the big decisions regardless of cost and adjust their spend elsewhere. You gotta manage your finances but the manager just needs to be right. If he's not the one going forward, you sack him asap and absorb the cost and find the right person. If it impacts the transfer market, so be it.

Yes, and it's not much money in the great scheme of things. Easy for a club like ours to trim things here and there to generate £14m if they really wanted.

Amrabat £8.5m loan fee. I'm assuming we paid his wages on top which would make it close to £14m altogether, at least 11 or 12. It's not having him for a year.

It's not signing Malacia or Telles. It's selling someone like Elanga.
 
As many had stated, the silence from the board is telling. It's almost certain that ETH will be gone. None of the football structure people come out to defend ETH in the media even though strong rumors circling around that ETH will be sacked. Finger crossed.
Problem is they’ve wasted a week of international break that an interim could’ve used to bed in. Monday would’ve been the logical day to do it, can’t see the reason for the delay unless it’s basically keeping him and they don’t feel obliged to announce that he’s staying.
 
Problem is they’ve wasted a week of international break that an interim could’ve used to bed in. Monday would’ve been the logical day to do it, can’t see the reason for the delay unless it’s basically keeping him and they don’t feel obliged to announce that he’s staying.

Most of the key players are away during international weeks. I am still hopeful that the end of ETH is near. If it's not during this international break, it will be very soon if the next few results didn't go our way.

The silence of SJR, Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox says a lot.
 
No you have it all wrong. That was just @TheReligion giving us a clear example of a hysterical poster taking a thread miles off topic after becoming hyper emotional.

He was giving us a blueprint of how not to do it. We must protect the meaningfulness of discussion in football threads at all costs.
Now I’m getting my popcorn.

The cult are back!
 


Pennies in the grand scheme of things, the damage to the clubs reputation if he gets another season will be worse

difference in PL prize money alone is 22 mil between 14th and 8th, add another 11m for 4th, so getting in Tuchel say and probably guaranteeing at least 8th or better is still a net gain, that is without considering the cost of crashing out of Europe early and/or failing to secure European football next season.... 14m to replace ETH is a no-brainer
 
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