I agree. The question from the owner's perspective would be whether making a change now would yield any better results.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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I agree. The question from the owner's perspective would be whether making a change now would yield any better results.
"Dramatic news" around MU sells and they know it. Even if they know it is based on lies and just pure bs, they will post it. Because it will still get clicks and that's all they care about.
Where are the wins coming?
-Brentford has frustrating draw written over it
-Fenerbache Jose is past it but he'll probably turn to prime Jose in the days leading up and have a tactical masterclass
-West Ham away has been a bogey for ten hag
-Leicester should be a win but somehow won't be easy
-Chelsea if they come in playing like they have that's a loss
-PAOK should be a win but we thought that about Twente
-Leicester see above
-Ipswich away has draw or loss just written over it
I just don't see where with how ten hag has us playing he's just gonna fire off a couple of wins and it's not just a couple of wins, he's gotta get some consecutive wins and I just don't see it.
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It most definitely would. No chance he leaves if we finish that high.Absolutely no way in the world that a 6th or 7th place would get him another season
I have no idea what you are on but we have a really bizzare fanbase i must say. I simply cannot believe there are people here who genuinely want to see the team lose football matches just to see the club sack a manager
Aston Villa basically saved him his job. Aswell as Harry Maguire.
I am certain he stays full season regardless of results.
Or put it in the General.
There’s nothing happening , zero chance he’s going to be sacked before Brentford .
Lock out the posters saying things are happening in the background and he’ll be sacked before Brentford also
Sorry, were you in the meeting yesterday? Or were you driving the Maybach carrying SJR and Brailsford and overheard something?
Exactly. And remember, that protest worked. So I am not saying that United doesn't have great matchgoing fans @TheReligion .
What I am saying is that I think sadly the fans are not using the power and leverage they actually have but completely waste it by not giving deserved feedback.
That's why I feel they'll stick by him.
Time will tell. But I’ll give him up until the next international break (mid November) at most.
To avoid the fan base becoming toxic the powers that be should either just publicly back ETH if that’s what they’re going to do or just get rid and move on, I swear we’re the only major club in the world that drag everything out to the point of toxicity.
Everyone can see that ETH needs to go yet there’s a possibility that Ineos think different so just end the drama and make a public decision either way so we can at least just get on with whatever their decision is, so over the drama that comes with every big decision the club has to make.
Everyone can see that ETH needs to go yet there’s a possibility that Ineos think different so just end the drama and make a public decision either way so we can at least just get on with whatever their decision is, so over the drama that comes with every big decision the club has to make.
I don't think they "need" to do anything per se. I just personally would like to know the rationale.
Regarding the meeting it's supposedly something that happens monthly/regularly but it was reported the managerial agenda would be on the table. Pretty hard to imagine otherwise, to be fair. If they do meet monthly I'd assume discussions of sporting progress would naturally take place - especially so now with United having a poor start to the season.
Im not reading too much in to these current press stories about him staying as I dont think these journo's have really got a clue what's going on, whether the club have decided to sack him or not I very much doubt they would let their decision be leaked to the press before they've spoken Erik himself.
Absolutely, should have happened ages ago
It's called deductive reasoning. You don't need to be in the meeting to give an opinion on what's going to happen. If they decided to fire him, they would made the decision public yesterday or today. If we don't hear anything today, then he likely he's not fired. It makes no sense to drag it along and make a decision
What's your answer?
I love it when people like you get this enraged about some opinions they read on a club forum, does that count?
It's an admission of failure on their part, either they think the team is under performing if that's the case then it's down to the Manager. If however they think the players are playing to their natural standard then it pours yet more emphasis on the colossal waste of resources on our transfer policy in recent seasons (which indirectly still points to the Manager). It's genuinely depressing seeing what is happening to this club.
I don't disagree with any of this. The question at this moment is what are the options to replace him with right now that would salvage a better season than what ETH is capable of.
what the heck are you basing this on?! They pretty publicly considered various alternatives in the summer, after he had won the FA Cup in some style, and Ratcliffe has been studiously evasive whenever he's been pressed to provide support for ETH. Why would they suddenly be happy with another season of mediocrity??
Only way he stays is if he manages to ride out this international break and then starts winning games immediately, culminating in a top 4 finish and/or winning the Europa League plus a domestic cup. Most likely he won't be here in a month's time. Ineos have not changed the entire footballing structure just to be content with maintaining this level of mediocrity.
If they are going to sack him they cant make the decision public until they have spoken to Erik and they cant speak to Erik until next week when he returns from holiday.
No it isn't. Why would they make it public immediately - they may not have even told Ten Hag himself at that point?
They may want to speak to other managers, for example Tuchel, to see if he's open to joining and if they can agree something.
"Zero chance" was stated as fact, when in reality people are just being childishly negative and don't know what is going on at present. The board may not have even decided yet.
It makes no sense to drag it along? It made no sense to keep him in the summer, yet here we are.
Equally, there’s 10’s of millions at stake plus reduced sponsorship deals for tanking the season. This rock and a hard place boils down to risk one way or another and which chips they want to put the house on.
Morale is also on the table, which has far-reaching consequences should they back the wrong horse.
Then you may as well back him to the end of the season then. By mid-November the season could be truly fecked. There is every chance if this shit continues we could drift even further from top 4, out the league cup and up shits creak in the Europa by then.
I have zero faith that this guy is going to turn around this mediocrity of declining shit into some sort of vast improvement that warrants keeping him in 7 games. Yet, I have every faith he can feck it up.
If we finish 6th or 7th this season he will not be convincing anybody, let alone all of those in the footballing structure above him whose lucrative roles also depend upon his success, that he deserves another season.
Isn't every league position worth an additional £3/4m anyway, so even if they can't afford to get rid of him (I find that hard to believe) they could almost guarantee recouping the money in our league finish alone, or not far off anyway
They have already back him, Ashworth and Berrada did just that in the interview a few weeks ago. It means f all when the quality on the pitch continues to decline.
I expected him to survive, tbh.
Not overly fussed about the decision.
He's probably gonna get sacked eventually, but there has been improvement on last season, and not pulling the trigger now doesn't really equal "throwing the season away", despite a lot of posters pushing that narrative.
Not overly fussed about the decision.
He's probably gonna get sacked eventually, but there has been improvement on last season, and not pulling the trigger now doesn't really equal "throwing the season away", despite a lot of posters pushing that narrative.
Ye I don’t disagree with you mate. Was just replying to someone that thinks he’ll see out the season. We have Brentford, Fenerbache and West Ham in the next 3 games. We probably win 1 of them games if we’re lucky.
Honestly, I think most options would improve the club. The issue is that we don't want to employ a Manager that will take us to simply top 6 level, they have 'ambition' of making us title challengers. So by that notion, they need a Manager that has that potential. Having a stepping stone Manager doesn't fit with their time frame. They've painted themselves into a corner by making that ambition public. I do think we'd have a list of suitors who would fill in as a Caretaker until the Summer.
Remember, this is a Manager who's best win in the PL is probably Villa away since the City 2:1 win on Jan 14, 2023. We simply cannot beat any decent team and we lost on a consistent basis. Either we have a shit squad of players or the Manager is terrible. I'm hoping it's the second option.
What improvement exactly?
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Could go either way. We could get worse and be further behind the top halve teams. Or the very unlikely situation is he turns it around and starts winning games. Can’t see it though. We might beat Brentford but then we probably lose to Fenerbache and West Ham.
Defensively. Not getting bombarded with shots. But we still can’t score goals and attack properly.
Another side step. Rather go around in circles than simply say what you love/like about the club.
Absolute volumes. Now it all makes sense.
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