Exactly. So, the question is what metrics are the upper management using to evaluate Ten Hag's performance???
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Exactly. So, the question is what metrics are the upper management using to evaluate Ten Hag's performance???
Support as long as it helps the team (=during the match). Give them a fair reaction once it's over. Clap for them if they deserved it, give them a bollocking if they deserved it. Currently fan reaction at Old Trafford is absolutely meaningless as it is always the same.
There’s no glory in “supporting” disastrous results and performances month after month. Somehow United fans are the only ones that feel there is though.
Well if the journalists aren’t saying anything then it must be 100% certain then.
How do you know?
Haha thought appointing him would make me turn on INEOS, was actually them stubbornly backing Ten Hag for the second time despite 2nd lowest goals scored and 14th in the table after 7 games.
Who said there’s glory. Perhaps they are, you know, just supporting their club.
These guys are well connected, that's why they are rated as tier 1's, unlike bluffers such as Delaney and Cross who clearly are guessing
You can keep spinning this in circles all you want. I’ve made my stance pretty clear.
How often do you feel that the reaction of the fans of the match are a reaction to what actually happened in the 90min they just witnessed? I very rarely do.
I’m not spinning anything. You are.
Ok well the only better thing we could have got to confirm this is if INEOS came out themselves and said they listened to the fans. So this is as good as any evidence we were likely to get, shall I say. Besides, you witnessed it yourself, you likely read the tweets and the articles. It obviously helped them come to the decision to keep as there was no heat on them to get rid, it was now the option that a) satisfied the fans and b) was the most cost effective. If the fans weren't on board then it obviously would have made the whole decision a lot harder.
That’s subjective surely and doesn’t prove anything. United have a brilliant fanbase. Admired across the world by players and opps alike.
It’s tragic the internet fans don’t recognise that yet or ‘get it’.
Ask any oppo who has the best travelling support.
We had fans chanting about the players not being fit to wear the shirt under Ralf. Deservedly so.
We've never had fans show a similar level of critique for failed managers. Even one as unlikeable as ETH after 6+ months of near-relegation form.
The only club who treat their managers like the Pope rather than just another club employee. And unfortunately it's how the fans react to the manager that is the way clubs gauge how satisfied fans are with results and performances.
Shocking what kind of stories people invent in their heads to make a "told you so" and "I was right, you were wrong" statement on the internet.
First claim Ineos made their decision in summer because reddit and caf told them so. Now when they are not firing Ten Hag, come up with another explanation that Ineos have stopped listening to fans now
Absolutely mental take.
I’ll be honest I don’t read and obsess over every article like many here seem to do. What’s the point. It’s journalism. Some of it can be true, the majority is speculating or the subjective protection of their own views on vulnerable readers like @croadyman who get themselves worked up in to a frenzy.
Which is why the board are happy to let them ruin our seasons time and time again. Even under “new” ownership.
Maybe we actually do have to get relegated to completely remove bad inherited habits and move into the new football millennium. As a club and fanbase we are so far behind and it shows in the pitch.
Or accepting that a process doesn't mean linear progress. The squad he came into had players leftover from 5 different managers with contrasting styles. If we're two years deep into a rebuilding process, accept that it is going to be inconsistent and let them see it through. They are all young and technical players being bought in, so if doesn't work they will all be good players to have for the next manager.
Which players have lost faith, as it seems they are all still playing for him? Many faults to be had, but none of the players in squad now seem to have issue with him. For example when he agrees the sale of Maguire, that player is still here and is now putting in some of his better performances.
Or try and look at the bigger picture beyond 7 games of a 38 season.
The season is 38 games long and it hasn't been one zombie performance after another, it's been inconsistent.
There has been shocking performances (spurs in particular) but they has also been good ones, Ie city in community shield.
Ultimately ETH might not be the one to take us forward, but one thing is for sure is that the squad being put together is only getting better and will set up the next manager nicely.
No one is denying how great our fanbase is, not sure why you’re acting like they are.
The point is being raised that endless “support” (especially at OT) while we get trashed 3-0 every week probably doesn’t help put any pressure on decision makers to change the status quo. But hey you’re proving my point for me by endlessly talking about “support” and how we are admired as a fanbase across the world even though no one said otherwise
To be fair, I think he's talking about those at Old Trafford. And he's not wrong, the only time I've seen discontent clearly show at Old Trafford is when the fans rushed the pitch in protest the the ESL. When you compare it to other supporters it is all very timid.
I honestly have never had the excitement to watch United leave me so quickly. It’s fecking October and I almost can’t be bothered
So we had fans criticising the team under Ralf. But I thought United fans didn’t do that? Now I’m confused..
Or is it a case that they do actually do it but they have more patience than vast majority of flip floppers on the Caf.
The ones that pay the money to go can make their opinions in their own time and voice them as they see fit.
What's funny about this situation is that he brought us to such low levels that if he manages to get us to 7th or so, he will consider this huge success and so will the owners, and he will easily get another season. Meanwhile if you brought up this proposition when he was hired, that after spending more than half a billion we would be a mid-table team, you'd consider that complete and utter failure.
He's a master tactician at playing the board and owners, shame he cannot translate this to the only tactics that matter in his job.
Shocking what kind of stories people invent in their heads to make a "told you so" and "I was right, you were wrong" statement on the internet.
First claim Ineos made their decision in summer because reddit and caf told them so. Now when they are not firing Ten Hag, come up with another explanation that Ineos have stopped listening to fans now
Absolutely mental take.
He definitely isn't the guy to take Utd forward
Maybe not 10th but 6th or 7th would definitely get him another Summer and next season, which is just mind boggling to think about.Yep, he will most certainly turn it around and have us finish 10th.
The damage this guy is doing to our club will just about finish us.
Being thrashed 3-0 every week? Are we just making things up now.
Shocking what kind of stories people invent in their heads to make a "told you so" and "I was right, you were wrong" statement on the internet.
First claim Ineos made their decision in summer because reddit and caf told them so. Now when they are not firing Ten Hag, come up with another explanation that Ineos have stopped listening to fans now
Absolutely mental take.
You say I'm making up stories and then claim that I'm claiming that it's because of reddit and the caf?
feck off.Just admit you were clueless in your assessment of last season and move on.
Oh he's absolutely played them like a fiddle and now the fanbase is going to suffer for them stupidly falling for it
Nah, it's not complicated what's been said.
The fans have not at any point in the last 11 years shown discontent at the manager. And that is how fans put pressure on boards to improve the situation at every other club.
That's because this club is unique in how it idolises the manager position and is detached from reality about concepts like how time will never turn bad managers into the next Fergie.
Finishing that low and getting another season is shocking, I'm convinced now these clowns think he can be like Arteta. Difference being he showed something style wise with those 8th place finishes.
Another freaking season of dross. I am back to just caring about our young players and hoping they improve. Seeing how Yoro does etc...
This blows.
This blows.
Fans are fickle, and incredibly short sighted. The majority on here wanted to pay £120m for Sancho just so we got him there and then. Wanted the likes of Serge Aurier and Oriel Romeu.
For all the talk of having 'football' people in charge, we should maybe trust them now that we have them in charge.
You can bet he's going to come out with something along the lines of 'they are not stupid, they know football, they know a process like this is going to take time but are all on the same page and can see that we are moving in the right direction' after our next failure (which can be as soon as Brentford). He's been immense at that, with his post FA Cup comments, his contempt for them after they announced him staying, his refusal to let go of transfer veto and pen a longer extension. Despite his failure he's actually managed to have them crave him and perceive the situation as if he's the catch here.
The echo chamber of hysteria here is all too much.
Needy bunch of feckers. How do you all survive in life
Needy bunch of feckers. How do you all survive in life
So you cant handle reading opinions that make you angry. Why you here?
Genuinely impressive how every day a new poster emerges to lecture us all on how ETH is actually doing a brilliant job and we just need to be more patient and trust the master plan.
Unless I am completely misunderstanding your previous post, that's what you said. You talked about r/reddevils being Ten Hag in last season and used a lot of "you" in your post, which seems to be directed at people on caf and r/reddevils.You say I'm making up stories and then claim that I'm claiming that it's because of reddit and the caf?
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