Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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croadyman said:
Well I will remain meh about results until he's gone and INEOS bottlers at making big decisions
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It makes supporting pretty torrid. On one hand you want the team to always do well but on the other winning a couple is akin to a sticking plaster on a festering wound.
 
IWat said:
It makes supporting pretty torrid. On one hand you want the team to always do well but on the other winning a couple is akin to a sticking plaster on a festering wound.
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Yeah torrid is an understatement
 
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
I think he meant that the older, loyal fans are passing due to age and other factors. The younger fans who are getting into football, are less and less likely to be picking Manchester United.
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Yup, I coach kids football and my wife does the same and United are basically a non factor.
 
CloneMC16 said:
I also thought you were trying to say the season was done, regardless of what we do. I agree that if we stick with Ten Hag, the season is already over. Making a change now can potentially recover the season. It's not a guarantee, but it's better to try and see what happens. We still have a lot of points to play for. Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, and Brighton will drop points. We can get back up there.

We also have the other cups still to play for.
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He's like a jackdaw and shiny objects. Except he is not a good judge of which shiny objects he should be after.
 
Berbaclass said:
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Imagine spending all that money to buy a part of the club, watching how shit our football have been only to have a few in your management team tell you should still stick with this carcrash if a manager.

I’d probably sack those few idiots in the management team to be honest - all stats point at how bad the manager is. If they can’t see it maybe they’re not as good.
 
Freak said:
Feck this kids! Don’t they know United have won 2 trophies recently and kept several clean sheets?!
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"In the last round of fixtures City, Arsenal, Spurs and Brighton kept no clean sheets. That's none for them and one for me. Respect man, respect."
 
OverratedOpinion said:
"Who will have final call"

Either the journalist is talking complete nonsense or that's very weird. I'd be shocked if they went to the trouble of putting in this whole structure and the answer to that question was not established months ago (potentially contractually).
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It's nonsense. Sacking a manager is a substantial financial cost that isn't budgeted for, and therefore subject to board approval. In their agreement Ratcliffe and the Glazers established a mini-board with authority on football decisions on behalf of the board of directors.

The Admin; CEO, DOf and Technical Director serve in an advisory capacity - which usually means they need to present the mini-board with options and recommendations, which the mini-board then votes on.

There are essentially three steps in this process. DoF and Technical director advise the CEO, the CEO advises the mini-board and the mini-board votes on a decision that the CEO is tasked with carrying out - usually by delegating it to the DoF.

So who has the final call? Jim Ratcliffe, Joel Glazer and Dave Brailsford.
 
I'm fully down for Tuchel coming in. Not an elite manager in my opinion but I think he gets us back into contention fairly quickly.
 
Laurencio said:
It's nonsense. Sacking a manager is a substantial financial cost that isn't budgeted for, and therefore subject to board approval. In their agreement Ratcliffe and the Glazers established a mini-board with authority on football decisions on behalf of the board of directors.

The Admin; CEO, DOf and Technical Director serve in an advisory capacity - which usually means they need to present the mini-board with options and recommendations, which the mini-board then votes on.

There are essentially three steps in this process. DoF and Technical director advise the CEO, the CEO advises the mini-board and the mini-board votes on a decision that the CEO is tasked with carrying out - usually by delegating it to the DoF.

So who has the final call? Jim Ratcliffe, Joel Glazer and Dave Brailsford.
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It should be budgeted for under these circumstances.
 
Lay said:
Yup, I coach kids football and my wife does the same and United are basically a non factor.
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I don't know how much this will hurt us though. We were probably a non factor with kids for 20 years before Fergie arrived and we did alright for the next 20.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Your opinion didn’t win the champions league in half a season.
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Yeah good manager for sure. Struggled at Bayern and didn't exactly set the world alight at PSG though so I'm not expecting him to come in and win us the league. Would put us in the mix though.
 
Adz_99 said:
Yeah good manager for sure. Struggled at Bayern and didn't exactly set the world alight at PSG though so I'm not expecting him to come in and win us the league. Would put us in the mix though.
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Didn't he get PSG to a CL final whilst on crutches.
 
Sarni said:
It should be budgeted for under these circumstances.
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Yeah, I don't get this whole budget/financial aspect. Makes us sound like we're Barnsley. A club like United being in a situation where they can't win a game of football, or score goals surely equates to an emergency situation. Whatever budget is place needs to be put in the bin now.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I don't really keep track of journalists and the so called tier list that often gets mentioned here. (Is there a list of this somewhere?)

I find Jamie Jackson really annoying but is he rated as reliable?
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He generally is, yes. Of course, the way this is phrased is such that he can be right even when he is wrong.
 
Frosty said:
He generally is, yes. Of course, the way this is phrased is such that he can be right even when he is wrong.
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Well it does back up the fact that Ratcliffe is very far from enamoured with Ten Hag. Something that a lot of us have thought for months.
 
IWat said:
It makes supporting pretty torrid. On one hand you want the team to always do well but on the other winning a couple is akin to a sticking plaster on a festering wound.
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Sadly perfect description of how I feel atm.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Yeah he was, as soon as he was promoted from interim it went to shit. The final few months had a similar feeling to now, we were expecting to lose all our games.
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Promoted to permanent manager in March 2019. Started going to shit in September 2021. You're just conveniently going to ignore the 2.5 years inbetween where it absolutely wasn't "shit"?
 
Devil77 said:
What is this ranking? What does it take into account?
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The bigger the rank difference between two teams, the more points dropped/gained for a result. So if a team sitting on 2000 play a team on 1500, they'll gain very little for winning, drop a lot for losing, and drop a lot but less for drawing. Vice versa for the other team.
 
Berbaclass said:
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Not a great sign if Ratcliffe wants to override the footballing structure's decision.

Whether it's the right decision or not to sack ETH now, he's not qualified to tell the likes of Wilcox, Ashworth and Berrada what to do.
 
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