Good post. And going for managers that the fans want isn't always the best option. See ten Hag who 99% of the fanbase wanted.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Wow. This is horrific. Lower than LVG and Mourinho. Lower than Moyes. Nowhere near Ole.
What is this ranking? What does it take into account?
The eye test is good enough for me and what I'm seeing is the worst quality of performances in the post-Ferguson era over the last 10 months, with the one exception of a very high quality win over City in the FA Cup final. It's time to put an end to our misery and bring in a new manager. Tuchel suits me fine, but if the alternative is Southgate then I'd rather keep Ruud as interim until the end of the season or even bring back Ole...but only until the end of the season.
I wanted him because really thought he would be able to implement the Ajax style here, however my faith in him was in pieces after the 7-0. Sad really because was fully supportive after that League Cup final win.
Was Ole really that bad?
I think that's a bit premature.
The majority would take top 4 now, and did we really expect to be going for the title this season or were we aiming for progress and top 4 (Judging by Burrada' comments)? Top 4 is achievable and we still have Europa, FA Cup and League Cup as well.
This season is still saveable for a decent season. I just hope that is the thing that saves EtH as opposed to a positive for moving him on.
He was bad. Just not this bad. Too many rose tinted classes from some people looking back at the Ole era.
I think he meant that the older, loyal fans are passing due to age and other factors. The younger fans who are getting into football, are less and less likely to be picking Manchester United.
The level of opponent integrated with the result vs said opponent.
“which is a measure of team strength that allocates points for every result, weighted by the quality of the opposition faced”
I'm not doing anything. I'm simply looking at the data there.
I get you. I mean, judging by that graph 3/4 of last season was decent....
As an outsider who doesn't watch all United games my impression back then was that even if the results were up and down, at least it was enjoyable to watch a lot of the time. Highscoring games for good or ill. Every game I've seen under ETH has been like watching paint dry, peaking with the villa game this weekend. Probably one of the worst games I've seen in years entertainment wise.
Just the eye test though.
There’s absolutely no way ETH could make top 4 ….cups more often luck of the draw
You think the season is done because we're 10pts behind the leader at this stage? You aimed for the title in 24/25?
The season in in early stages, plenty opportunities still to make it a good one.
Has he gone yet?
I know....I didn't say he would
Could still be something announced in the afternoon, right? This sure does feel like Halloween season, and looks like they're keeping him around for the biggest horror show we've ever seen.
Yeah he was, as soon as he was promoted from interim it went to shit. The final few months had a similar feeling to now, we were expecting to lose all our games.
The leaks indicate he won't be sacked.
It's a shame because I don't think he's turning this around and it will carry on until Christmas time
It's a shame because I don't think he's turning this around and it will carry on until Christmas time
The meeting probably hasn't even happened yet, it's only half 10. Nothing was ever going to be announced before this afternoon or tomorrow.
It also came apparent Ole lacked discipline
We could have probably got to more than 74 points too if we had not secured top 3 spot that early that season. Towards the end of season we had to play 3 games in 4 days (Villa on May 9, Leicester on May 11 and Liverpool on May 13) which was ridiculous too.
It's possible that they are worried we'll get worse under an interim like we did with Rangnick. Or maybe I'm just looking for excuses for their incompetence because I don't want to believe we're worse off than when the Glazers were running things.
Not even joking I see more kids in Spurs shirts nowadays than United. Then you have the City, Arsenal and Liverpool brigade.
Age is definitely a factor. My dad has supported Celtic all his life, but he's reached a point, along with a lot of his friends where he's just not that interested anymore, like he used to be. I guess you get football fatigue after a while.
As for younger fans, who are more fickle, it's true that they're more likely to pick the current inform team as much as anything else and seeing as that's not United, then it makes it harder to sustain. Like life, football is a trend for a lot of people.
It really hit home to me when I was in Barcelona a few months ago. Walking up and down the mainstream avenues towards the Sagrada, the touristy shops had plenty of football shirts hanging up. Unexpectedly, there were Barca shirts with Lewondowskis name on the back, Madrid shirts with Bellinghams name, but the next one after those were City shirts with Haalands name on the back. Saw the odd Arsenal shirt.
Didn't once see a United shirt, which genuinely shocked me.
I seen plenty of so called leaks yesterday saying he'd be gone this morning. Hopefully nobody knows anything.
If they stick with ETH I'll lose faith
If they finally sack him and appoint Southgate I'll lose faith
Just feels like a big part of their decision to keep will be because they don't want to admit to making the wrong call in the summer in keeping him
The football is absolutely horrific, a complete and utter bore fest with no signs of improvement, more massive regression
If we appoint someone (NOT GS) now, it gives them almost a free hit this season to start getting their tactics, coaching and system in place ready to properly hit the ground running next season. Will also give them time to complete a Ralph like audit and see who are the bad apples and should be moved on in the summer. Yes we should be getting top 4 however it seems that's no longer a requirement of Manchester United managers, how we used to mock that being a bare minimum with the top 4 trophy....
I think our God awful BORING football won't help attract fans, remember how exciting we used to be
"Can Manchester United score, they always score" was a line that gave me goosebumps. Now it seems we can't ever score bar in a game against lower league opposition.
If they finally sack him and appoint Southgate I'll lose faith
Just feels like a big part of their decision to keep will be because they don't want to admit to making the wrong call in the summer in keeping him
The football is absolutely horrific, a complete and utter bore fest with no signs of improvement, more massive regression
If we appoint someone (NOT GS) now, it gives them almost a free hit this season to start getting their tactics, coaching and system in place ready to properly hit the ground running next season. Will also give them time to complete a Ralph like audit and see who are the bad apples and should be moved on in the summer. Yes we should be getting top 4 however it seems that's no longer a requirement of Manchester United managers, how we used to mock that being a bare minimum with the top 4 trophy....
I think our God awful BORING football won't help attract fans, remember how exciting we used to be
"Can Manchester United score, they always score" was a line that gave me goosebumps. Now it seems we can't ever score bar in a game against lower league opposition.
I'd love to have seen how he would have done without bringing Ronaldo in.
Surely he won't last the break?
What’s interesting is that the 2 Dutch managers and their philosophy is what’s caused the biggest downgrade
Wow. This is horrific. Lower than LVG and Mourinho. Lower than Moyes. Nowhere near Ole.
Picture ten hag smiling awkwardly down the camera for Halloween fixtures. Nightmare on Busby Way
Well I will remain meh about results until he's gone and INEOS bottlers at making big decisions
Disgusted they are still buying the BS from him
No I didn't aim for the title because I'm not mental, it was part of a conversation about ETH being allowed to stay until Christmas, you have to read the posts back in context.
I was using it as a gauge to highlight that even top four will be a stretch, that you can't afford to lose 3 games this early on in the season and then expect the top 4 teams to lose a handful of games, just so you can catch up. Once you start having to rely on other teams to lose so you can compete, well, that's a recipe for disaster, always has been.
And that's the important point I'm making here, 'catching up'. We're not even talking about being better than the top 4 teams, we're talking about just getting even, if that's remotely possible. It's an absolutely massive stretch, to then push on and actually be better than the current top 4 and it's then, with that thought in mind, that we get back to ETH and my original points about still being here at Christmas. That if he's is, then you can say right now that the season is a write-off, because he's not getting United back to a top four spot.
Under a new manager, then yes, the season isn't written off because they might be able to turn it around, but that's still not a guarantee, so as it stands right now, you can forget this season under ETH. I stand by my points 100%.
There's no magic pixie dust here.
Dutch managers have historically been utter shite in the Premier League.
Thanks! Appreciated.
Another vote gone in for back, says to me there is an acceptance he's staying unfortunately
With the exception of the Scouse Cnuts (so far). Of course
Hopefully we’ve learned our lesson now. Talk a good game but not much else
I also thought you were trying to say the season was done, regardless of what we do. I agree that if we stick with Ten Hag, the season is already over. Making a change now can potentially recover the season. It's not a guarantee, but it's better to try and see what happens. We still have a lot of points to play for. Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, and Brighton will drop points. We can get back up there.
We also have the other cups still to play for.
Spot on, unfortunately INEOS will let this get worse
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