Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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If Villa score early tomorrow, we’re going to get flambéed. A big, red, sizzling plume of panic and despair. Emery has already said he wants to see a big performance from his side and not to act small time, revelling in the CL victory.

The atmosphere will be cracking and we’re well down on confidence with no leaders in sight on or off the pitch. If they score early, I think we’ll be lucky to leave with less than a 4-goal deficit. Fun times.
 
Fortitude said:
If Villa score early tomorrow, we’re going to get flambéed. A big, red, sizzling plume of panic and despair. Emery has already said he wants to see a big performance from his side and not to act small time, revelling in the CL victory.

The atmosphere will be cracking and we’re well down on confidence with no leaders in sight on or off the pitch. If they score early, I think we’ll be lucky to leave with less than a 4-goal deficit. Fun times.
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Imagine what it might be like against Brentford as well, who like to score within a minute.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Imagine what it might be like against Brentford as well, who like to score within a minute.
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Would rather not. It’s a very undignified end, and it dragging on beyond the international break would be rank humiliation.

Edit: it’s going to happen, isn’t it? :(
 
Fortitude said:
If Villa score early tomorrow, we’re going to get flambéed. A big, red, sizzling plume of panic and despair. Emery has already said he wants to see a big performance from his side and not to act small time, revelling in the CL victory.

The atmosphere will be cracking and we’re well down on confidence with no leaders in sight on or off the pitch. If they score early, I think we’ll be lucky to leave with less than a 4-goal deficit. Fun times.
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Manchester United going to play Villa with most of us having little hope for a win and all praying we don't get battered.

What has he done to us :(
 
spwd said:
No but for a couple of seasons while we stabilise he would be ideal. Just depends if he'll go for a short term contract. But I guess we could extend it if he continues to do well.
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He wouldn't be the long term appointment for me, however definitely feel he could stabilise and make us a more attractive project in a couple of years
 
stevoc said:
Manchester United going to play Villa with most of us having little hope for a win and all praying we don't get battered.

What has he done to us :(
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Going to be a surreal game, methinks. Villa baying for blood and us, well, fragile and uncertain, at best.
 
VP89 said:
OK fair enough. There's a lot of people unwilling to give time even if we confidently win tomorrow. I dont think it's a unreasonable opinion from these guys, they've tolerated as much as they can.
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I’m not willing to give time if we win confidently tomorrow either :lol:

This disaster show needs to end. There’s more than enough evidence that it’s not going to get substantially better at any point even if it gets marginally better for a while.
 
croadyman said:
He wouldn't be the long term appointment for me, however definitely feel he could stabilise and make us a more attractive project in a couple of years
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Yeah me neither but if he's doing well you never know.
 
Cloud7 said:
I’m not willing to give time if we win confidently tomorrow either :lol:

This disaster show needs to end. There’s more than enough evidence that it’s not going to get substantially better at any point even if it gets marginally better for a while.
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Yeah thats fair enough, I am almost there myself and I was one of the biggest defenders of giving him time.
 
Fortitude said:
Would rather not. It’s a very undignified end, and it dragging on beyond the international break would be rank humiliation.

Edit: it’s going to happen, isn’t it? :(
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We are in a terrible position. What do they do if we go and beat Villa? If we lose you hope they just get on with sacking him. If we win you would hope they realise it is likely another false dawn. The shambles at Porto should have made their minds up.
 
stevoc said:
Manchester United going to play Villa with most of us having little hope for a win and all praying we don't get battered.

What has he done to us :(
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We are really poor, Every single part in our game is subpar and our game and results reflect that.
 
If you watcg most of the league games these days you see teams who have a good structure and build from there. Just saw the Newcastle game and you can clearly see what Howe is doing with that team. It's crazy that 3 years into his reign we have no structure at all, we lose the ball in midfield every 10 seconds and then the attackers are 1 on 1 with Onana all the time
 
TsuWave said:
You don't even need to go that far. I know it in my heart that Emery and Glasner would be doing better. feck it, at this point I even believe that Iraola, O'Neill, Marco Silva and Thomas Frank would be doing better. I mean think of the resources and you could argue all of them are doing better comparatively
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Any of the above would be doing better at United. Ten Hag is legitimately a bottom half manager in the prem.

I don’t care about “2 trophies”. He’s the worst post Fergie (excluding caretakers - and even including them he might only better Ragnick, maybe). We were shit under the other guys too, but there’s just something about this Ten Hag side that’s just extra shambolic
 
moses said:
This is not a binary. There are degrees. The wrong appointment while so many new parts of the structure are bedding could be even more disastrous. It's very hard to know what is and isn't working. There is a logic to letting it settle and then letting the new guy coach rather than juggle and firefight. In my opinion that's what hindered ETH, and would've had a similarly negative effect on anyone who was appointed. Maybe less so or moreso, but it's a factor.
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On the contrary, it’s very easy to know a few the fundamental things that are not working - our tactics and our in game management. Those are very specific things that are clearly hindering us on the pitch that can be quickly changed with a change in manager.

And I really don’t understand this argument about “letting it settle”. Continuing with a failing manager as we drop further and further down the table makes it much harder for things to “settle” - it ramps up pressure on Ineos, using up what good will they have, places the club under even closer media scrutiny, and has a detrimental affect on the confidence of the squad. The longer that goes on the harder it will be for a new manager to come in, not easier. And if we rule ourselves out of Europe early, then it also makes the pool of potential managers and players that want to come here smaller.

Seems to me like if you let the fire get bigger, the harder it gets to firefight.
 
DJ_21 said:
Monday morning should be when he’s sacked. Or maybe Sunday night since the games at 2pm. However I read something the other day that said the higher ups are having a meeting on Tuesday?
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Yeah although wasn't there a suggestion the meeting had been arranged in advance, does make me think it won't happen on Monday morning though
 
Seems like it will be Ruud in pretty early, if ETH force Ineos's hands in the next few games, maybe as early as Villa...and then the unknown target for next season will take over in the summer. I don't think the media have any idea who that is, though.
 
stevoc said:
Manchester United going to play Villa with most of us having little hope for a win and all praying we don't get battered.

What has he done to us :(
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I'm filled with dread and a feeling of uneasiness when we play bottom table teams these days, Villa flying high at 5th is like playing prime Barca.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah although wasn't there a suggestion the meeting had been arranged in advance, does make me think it won't happen on Monday morning though
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I forgot the game was early Sunday. Could be as early as Sunday night or as late as Tuesday.
 
spwd said:
So you're basically saying we need the replacement to be potentially better while knowing nothing is guaranteed and you have the proof in front of you that even someone as good as eth was expected to be can fail 100%?
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He didn't fail 100% though.

This conversations are hilarious. Hysterical almost.

It's mad all the highly paid professionals with all the data are being listened to as opposed to hysterical folk online.

He's going to be sacked when those professional informed folk feel it's the right decision.

It's like trying to explain nuance to a baying mob. I think the managers time is done, I'm not even arguing that he's the man for the job. This place is no better than YouTube comments sometimes.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
I’m not too unhappy about this. INEOS need to not be idiots and appoint RvN as permanent manger, because we saw how that turned out with Ole.
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I agree with this, as much as I love Ruud I think it would be a mistake. Although the majority of our team are now Dutch, or have Dutch connections so they probably need to keep that link in the management team.

What a mess.
 
moses said:
He didn't fail 100% though.

This conversations are hilarious. Hysterical almost.

It's mad all the highly paid professionals with all the data are being listened to as opposed to hysterical folk online.

He's going to be sacked when those professional informed folk feel it's the right decision.

It's like trying to explain nuance to a baying mob. I think the managers time is done, I'm not even arguing that he's the man for the job. This place is no better than YouTube comments sometimes.
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Oh sorry 95% then.
But can't you see that what you're asking them to do has already been done? That's why we're in the mess we are. How do you not get that nobody is a guaranteed success or guaranteed to be better than what we already have?
Eth is proof that someone with " great potential" doesn't guarantee anything.
So what we do is get rid of the biggest problem "eth" and hire someone to stabilise us while we continue the search for the next piece of the puzzle and so on.
We hire and fire until we're back at the top like everyone else tries to instead of wasting time on people that clearly don't work and throwing another season away just because we couldn't find Fergie 2.0 to replace Erik with.

And yes I agree. Some of the things you've posted definitely belong on YouTube or Reddit Reddevils.
 
Fail to win tomorrow (let's face it, the most likely scenario), and we will be 14th in the league with a fifth of the season played, while being winless in Europe. Utter failure.
 
spwd said:
Oh sorry 95% then.
But can't you see that what you're asking them to do has already been done? That's why we're in the mess we are. How do you not get that nobody is a guaranteed success or guaranteed to be better than what we already have?
Eth is proof that someone with " great potential" doesn't guarantee anything.
So what we do is get rid of the biggest problem "eth" and hire someone to stabilise us while we continue the search for the next piece of the puzzle and so on.
We hire and fire until we're back at the top like everyone else tries to instead of wasting time on people that clearly don't work and throwing another season away just because we couldn't find Fergie 2.0 to replace Erik with.

And yes I agree. Some of the things you've posted definitely belong on YouTube or Reddit Reddevils.
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So the fact nobody is a guarantee means you try anybody?

And you get rid of someone you said had great potential and replace him with anyone because potential doesn't work? That's bizarre logic.

Actual logic dictates you move beyond just potential, and that's a very short list. Which is my only point.

We just need someone to stabilise us? Who?
 
Irwin99 said:
Do you wanna ignore the second goal or the fact that we cut through them with a good move that resulted in an offside goal? Or how about Onana's silly mistake that let them back in it? We won that game because we attacked really well in the first half and defended well in the second half. Not a single pundit said we were 'lucky' to win that day. City deserved nothing from that game.

You can want EtH out all you want, and I think he cannot complain about getting sacked because it's been terrible, but we don't have to revise stuff and say he was purely lucky to beat CIty in the cup final. It was a good performance and every United fan should have been proud of that.
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I don't want to ignore anything. You claimed it could have been a 2:0 win if it wasn't for Onana's mistake, which is silly considering the opening goal that changed everything came from a much bigger mistake. It wasn't an undeserved victory but it was lucky. City controlled the game and had as many chances as we did. To say they didn't deserve anything or like some people like to claim that we "dominated" them just isn't true. We set up like a smaller team would against them and it worked on that day, that's all.
 
moses said:
But that's not what I'm saying we should do.
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Odd. It sounded very much like you were arguing that we should keep him whilst things “settle” (whatever that means), and until some manager comes along that meets your arbitrary definition of “vastly better”.
 
The "no outstanding candidates around" discussion still going on :lol: Funny how other clubs don't have these problems that we do. Somehow sacking a proven failure of a manager is "risky" because the new guy could come in and do what, get relegated? With these players and these resources. Before ETH, managers couldn't even survive missing on CL but now sacking a guy who made us a mid table side and a laughing stock in Europe is "risky".
 
Mike Smalling said:
Fail to win tomorrow (let's face it, the most likely scenario), and we will be 14th in the league with a fifth of the season played, while being winless in Europe. Utter failure.
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Yeah, well he's no Harry Potter so you just got to trust the process.
 
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