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"Could be sacked if he lose to Villa".

This is so stupid he should be sacked REGARDLESS of the result. We are 12th with minus GD after finished 8th also with minus GD previous season, we are yet to win any game in europe after the most embarrassing PL campaign in our history. Does INEOS people expect he'd turn things around like Fergie did?? They are just as delusional as @VP89

Sack him, find whoever fits the bill and if his replacement performed poorly, sack then find the new one until you get the correct one. Thats how big clubs operate. Even Ed Woodward didnt set the standard this low.
 
moses said:
So the fact nobody is a guarantee means you try anybody?

And you get rid of someone you said had great potential and replace him with anyone because potential doesn't work? That's bizarre logic.

Actual logic dictates you move beyond just potential, and that's a very short list. Which is my only point.

We just need someone to stabilise us? Who?
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Kompany, Slot, Maresca? Come on mate. ETH needs to go, he’s a complete failure. Regardless of who’s out there, he is doing the worst job imaginable in the league and Europe when taking into account spend.

The worst.
 
Ten hag at Ajax was impressive in champions league. Beat Bayern, Juventus, and Real Madrid. He also trashed Ruben Amorim’s sporting by 5-1 and 4-2 and trashed Dortmund 3-1 and 4-0.

What has gone wrong? Does he have communication issue to deliver his messages to his players, hence why he can’t play type of football that he did at Ajax in champions league?
 
Football is fickle. Can’t see him being sacked if we beat Villa. Even a draw may not be enough. We kept him on the back of a single one off final against City. That says everything.
 
mardika said:
"Could be sacked if he lose to Villa".

This is so stupid he should be sacked REGARDLESS of the result. We are 12th with minus GD after finished 8th also with minus GD previous season, we are yet to win any game in europe after the most embarrassing PL campaign in our history. Does INEOS people expect he'd turn things around like Fergie did?? They are just as delusional as @VP89

Sack him, find whoever fits the bill and if his replacement performed poorly, sack then find the new one until you get the correct one. Thats how big clubs operate. Even Ed Woodward didnt set the standard this low.
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14th.
 
DRJosh said:
Football is fickle. Can’t see him being sacked if we beat Villa. Even a draw may not be enough. We kept him on the back of a single one off final against City. That says everything.
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Yeah I know what you mean, anything more than a loss I see INEOS keeping faith in him
 
JE-365 said:
Ten hag at Ajax was impressive in champions league. Beat Bayern, Juventus, and Real Madrid. He also trashed Ruben Amorim’s sporting by 5-1 and 4-2 and trashed Dortmund 3-1 and 4-0.

What has gone wrong? Does he have communication issue to deliver his messages to his players, hence why he can’t play type of football that he did at Ajax in champions league?
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Because that CL run was a fluke. Everyone loves to point out that Ajax side beating Juve and Madrid but conveniently forget they also bottled a 3-0 aggregate lead in the semi-final. They shipped 3 goals to Tottenham in 45 minutes. In their own stadium. That 45 minutes has all the hallmarks of an ETH coached side. The warnings signs have been there. But the football world wanks itself to death every time a Dutch manager strings together a few Eredivisie titles because of total football or something.
 
I don't believe sacking is the right choice. ten Hag isn't a bad coach. We've had a shite start to the season and we've had struggles throughout his tenure. But there's just too many factors involved that I can't just point to ten Hag and say he's shite. Had an okay first season, a mindblowing difficult 2nd season and a very bad start to his 3rd, but the season is still young and if ten Hag and the players can push through I wholeheartedly believe we'll finish in a good spot. There is however the chance that everything turns rotten if we don't start getting a few results and a sacking wouldn't be without merit. But we've just sacked so many managers and it's never solved anything whatsoever.
 
gobertan said:
Because that CL run was a fluke. Everyone loves to point out that Ajax side beating Juve and Madrid but conveniently forget they also bottled a 3-0 aggregate lead in the semi-final. They shipped 3 goals to Tottenham in 45 minutes. In their own stadium. That 45 minutes has all the hallmarks of an ETH coached side. The warnings signs have been there. But the football world wanks itself to death every time a Dutch manager strings together a few Eredivisie titles because of total football or something.
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Pretty much this. ETH is just another De Boer when you examine his managerial career. If Mourinho was in the prem, he’d absolutely rip him apart like he did with De Boer. Unbelievable the fraud is yet to be kicked out
 
golden_blunder said:
Yep

https://www.sportbible.com/football/van-der-sar-ten-hag-man-utd-ajax-803062-20230530
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This doesn’t surprise me one bit. A manager has to have so many different attributes to succeed. Gone are the days where they can survive just being a good coach and have an excellent understanding of the game.

Being personable is today, IMO, equally as important and I’ve long since had the opinion that ETH doesn’t appear to have good connections with his players.
 
Zumbi said:
Isn’t he at one win in our last nine European games? Next to no chance we’re doing well in Europa under him.
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Europa is still a lower level and in cup competitions the luck of the draw can work for you sometimes. That's how we won the Carabao cup in his first season.
 
Isotope said:
Ruud was recruited by Ineos. Are you saying you don't trust Ineos choosing a good coach?
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No, I don't. They already fecked up on that front in the summer. If they couldn't see Ten Hag isn't good enough, how are they going to recognise someone who is? Of course, we have to hope that they can. But for me, Ruud van Niseltrooy isn't it.

croadyman said:
So you are saying we should look for permanent appointment when Erik is sacked then
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Yes. A permanent manager would use this freebie season to prepare for next season. An interim means a completely pointless 8 months. And Ruud van Niseltrooy isn't a good enough manager to place the club higher. And an interim status would hardly be of help. And a personal concern of mine is that if he somehow does well, he will be given the position on a permanent basis. Another bad idea.
 
gobertan said:
Because that CL run was a fluke. Everyone loves to point out that Ajax side beating Juve and Madrid but conveniently forget they also bottled a 3-0 aggregate lead in the semi-final. They shipped 3 goals to Tottenham in 45 minutes. In their own stadium. That 45 minutes has all the hallmarks of an ETH coached side. The warnings signs have been there. But the football world wanks itself to death every time a Dutch manager strings together a few Eredivisie titles because of total football or something.
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Also that Real tie was pure complacency. Ramos deliberately got himself booked so he’d miss the 2nd leg. He admitted it himself and UEFA actually handed him an extra match’s ban.

They had gone back to back to back and felt invincible. Ajax faced them at the perfect time. First KO round when Real were still in a slumber mode. Same tie a round later and the myth of ETH wouldn’t exist.
 
Telsim said:
No, I don't. They already fecked up on that front in the summer. If they couldn't see Ten Hag isn't good enough, how are they going to recognise someone who is? Of course, we have to hope that they can. But for me, Ruud van Niseltrooy isn't it.



Yes. A permanent manager would use this freebie season to prepare for next season. An interim means a completely pointless 8 months. Ruud van Niseltrooy isn't a good enough manager to place the club higher. And an interim status would hardly be of help. And a personal concern of mine is that if he somehow does well, he will be given the position on a permanent basis. Another bad idea.
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An interim doesn’t have to be there the whole season. An interim can also just be to cover a few games whilst appointing a permanent manager.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Well now they are in a position to make informed decisions, in the summer they had just entered the fray to an almighty barrage of club channels, fans and polls all demanding he stays, not saying they made the right decision but it was a case of not wanting to rock the boat before they even got in the door.
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Their decision was dumb, then backing ten hag to buy players he wanted was incredibly stupid given so many of them seem like they could be the next managers dead wood
 
Non-judgement day for the Hag-minator.

No matter what happens, after the international break, he'll be back.
 
1988 said:
I don't believe sacking is the right choice. ten Hag isn't a bad coach. We've had a shite start to the season and we've had struggles throughout his tenure. But there's just too many factors involved that I can't just point to ten Hag and say he's shite. Had an okay first season, a mindblowing difficult 2nd season and a very bad start to his 3rd, but the season is still young and if ten Hag and the players can push through I wholeheartedly believe we'll finish in a good spot. There is however the chance that everything turns rotten if we don't start getting a few results and a sacking wouldn't be without merit. But we've just sacked so many managers and it's never solved anything whatsoever.
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By push through I presume you mean learn to fix problems he has been completely unable to address over the last 1.5 seasons. That is so obviously not going to happen

There will always be excuses to point to but the fact we consistently look the worst organised team in the league surely means he should be sacked
 
Zumbi said:
An interim doesn’t have to be there the whole season. An interim can also just be to cover a few games whilst appointing a permanent manager.
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I'm obviously talking under the assumption that he interims until summer when most managers will be available. Like Inzaghi, Hoeneß, or whoever. If it's just for a few games, then it's okay because it doesn't matter.
 
1988 said:
I don't believe sacking is the right choice. ten Hag isn't a bad coach. We've had a shite start to the season and we've had struggles throughout his tenure. But there's just too many factors involved that I can't just point to ten Hag and say he's shite. Had an okay first season, a mindblowing difficult 2nd season and a very bad start to his 3rd, but the season is still young and if ten Hag and the players can push through I wholeheartedly believe we'll finish in a good spot. There is however the chance that everything turns rotten if we don't start getting a few results and a sacking wouldn't be without merit. But we've just sacked so many managers and it's never solved anything whatsoever.
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I admire you bravery.. Now the whole ETH out brigade will come after you like you did something terrible like murder.. I dont agree with you, I think we are come to the point where there is no hope for him to turn it around.. He had that chance this summer and at the start of this season but it didnt work. He shoud have been let off after the cup, but for some reasons, i think some of the legit, INIOS decided to give him a chance, with the help of them, to turn it around, but as we see now it didnt happend.. And this time around there are no legit excuses, like injuries, no football strukture in place and so.. Its either him or the players or both.. And even though i believe that the squad is not as good as many in here believe, he should be able to do a lot lot better.. I dont even think he does the minimum.. And its not like we met many of the top teams, only Liverpool and Spurs... So for me its a goodbye and thank you for trying..
 
Telsim said:
I'm obviously talking under the assumption that he interims until summer when most managers will be available. Like Inzaghi, Hoeneß, or whoever. If it's just for a few games, then it's okay because it doesn't matter.
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Unless there's a manager that is available right now with the legitimate potential to turn this club into title challengers in a couple of years we might have to appoint an interim for the season.

I'd rather we waste 8 months and appoint a manager at the end of the season that might be able to turn the club around than appoint some freebie that no one else wants now eg Tuchel, Southgate or Potter
 
Steve Bruce said:
Unless there's a manager that is available right now with the legitimate potential to turn this club into title challengers in a couple of years we might have to appoint an interim for the season.

I'd rather we waste 8 months and appoint a manager at the end of the season that might be able to turn the club around than appoint some freebie that no one else wants now eg Tuchel, Southgate or Potter
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I feel like we should offer Tuchel until the end of the season, if he gets top 4 then he stays on next year.
 
Brentford scored as many goals in yesterday’s game as we have done all season. It’s embarrassing how bad our attack has been. And judging by the last 2 games, our defence isn’t much better either.

I’m hoping that today is his last game.
 
I’m just struggling to believe that his continued time here is once again predicated on the results of a few matches, leading to it being predicated on this single match.

I know people will claim it’s already happened last season with the FA Cup Final but I disagree, it was a factor I’m sure and that factor was actually a trophy against Man City not a single result worth 3 points and add to that the context that we interviewed for the role anyway and had one of those interviews gone well he would no longer be here.


Logically there’s got to be some sort of contractual thing at play here and we are waiting until a certain condition is met and termination of his contract becomes a lot cheaper. If we lose today we are 9 points off 4th place - maybe that is a condition, we had to be competitive in the league this season and expected to qualify for UCL so if he’s off the pace by a set amount we are free to terminate without penalty?


Just speculation obviously as I’m trying to make sense of it, another option is that he’s given a performance review and targets and Aston Villa is the first end of review so it’s unfair to sack him if he can somehow meet whatever the minimum target was?
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here in practical terms.

I think potentially when Sir Alex first retired a lot of us were slightly uninspired by Moyes. But we hoped that could be something of a continuation due to his age and him seeming a very stable choice.

By the time he was gone we were pretty happy to hire Van Gaal then Mourinho who no one expected to stay for 10 years (for different reasons).

Then by the time Mourinho went we lost hope in signing the biggest name and throwing money at it hoping we would win the league short term. That's when we moved towards thinking a longer term rebuild was necessary, not because we imagined it would result in a Sir Alex like reign but because we thought it was the only way to get back to where we want to be.

I'm pretty sure almost no Utd fan would refuse a sustained 5 or 6 years of success and competing like you describe. I don't think most of us are pining for 25 years of domination right now, just being a good side that can compete with the best.
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Ironically you've made my point.

You've pretty much laid out the history of United managers since Fergie retired, starting with the belief that Moyes was going to take over and keep the legacy going for another 10 years, but it didn't happen.
What you've highlighted, is that its taken over a decade to get that mentality out of United and the fans perspective.
It's only now that you're happy to accept a period of 4 or 5 years of good football and don't expect a 20 year reign.
The point I was making, is that it wasn't the case for a good, long while. It's taken this long to finally get over it and that was all because Sir Alex, being as good as he was, distorted things.

Same things will happen at City when Pep goes.
 
Matt851 said:
By push through I presume you mean learn to fix problems he has been completely unable to address over the last 1.5 seasons. That is so obviously not going to happen

There will always be excuses to point to but the fact we consistently look the worst organised team in the league surely means he should be sacked
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I think we just look at it differently. Judging him on last season is very difficult for me as we just had so many crucial and constant injuries. We're trying something different this season. People have been complaining about a visible style of play or approach and I am seeing that now. Does it work at the very moment? Nope. Is he at fault? Yup. Are the players at fault? Yup, very much indeed. So many individual errors are just a mare to watch. But I think there's potential if the players start gaining some confidence and we stack up some results with some good perfomances.

But the start of this season haven't been good enough at all and if the results doesn't start coming he can't complain a sack at all. Will it help us? Probably not.
 
Out of curiosity, when’s the last time we conceded 3 goals in 3 consecutive games?
 
1988 said:
I don't believe sacking is the right choice. ten Hag isn't a bad coach. We've had a shite start to the season and we've had struggles throughout his tenure. But there's just too many factors involved that I can't just point to ten Hag and say he's shite. Had an okay first season, a mindblowing difficult 2nd season and a very bad start to his 3rd, but the season is still young and if ten Hag and the players can push through I wholeheartedly believe we'll finish in a good spot. There is however the chance that everything turns rotten if we don't start getting a few results and a sacking wouldn't be without merit. But we've just sacked so many managers and it's never solved anything whatsoever.
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If something isn't working after 3 months you give it time. If something still isn't working after 2 full years you have to start looking at a change. Other teams manage to play decent football with less talent available. To me winning isn't everything, but playing good exciting football is. That's why I love football. He would have my backing if we played good football but didn't win every game as long as there was progress. There is no progress in fact there is regression. Time for a change unfortunately.
 
One day closer to being rid of one of the worst managers I've ever seen in the English leagues. The bloke is stubborn to a fault, inflexible, tactically inept, has zero in game management, lacks any charisma, lacks accountability for his failings, relies on luck above ability, and despite all of this has managed to create a cult-like persona where masses of sheep make excuses for him. Overall a total nightmare appointment and one I'll celebrate the end of
 
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