Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

I don’t think there is a vocal Ten Hag FC anymore, on here anyway.

There is only one poster left who is only half heartedly in favour of him.

It is nearly a comprehensive ‘sack’ from Red Cafe.

There is still a few floating about on X and Reddit.

 

[despairingfool]

We're 11 points off the top albeit a game played less but absolutely criminal. Sack him tomorrow regardless of the result

 

[cpresc]

So after 6 PL games.. we’re:

11 points behind Liverpool with -14 worse goal difference

Wow

 

[cpresc]

The worst part is him and his fans gloating about cup trophies and yet he has an absolutely abysmal record in Europe for us. 1 win in 10! Even that one win was a last minute penalty save. And yet he has the nerve to use these cups to big himself up and insinuate last season was a succes.

And to be fair, while the league cup win was great at the time, Fergie barely considered it a trophy. To be harping On about it 2 seasons later is rather embarrassing

 

[Xaviboy]

So after 6 PL games.. we’re:

11 points behind Liverpool with -14 worse goal difference

Wow

Depressing.

 

[cpresc]

Depressing.

Yeah.

I’ve been in support of him but I’m done at this point

 

[Massive Spanner]

Bald Dutch United manager in job for 28 months spending over £600m on a lot of his old players
Bald Dutch Liverpool manager in job for 3 months spending (checks notes) £10m on Chiesa

One might be 11 points and 14+ gd behind the other 7 games into the season...


Oh no wait, I'm probably missing some Arteta factor that explains why this is acceptable and not indicative of Hag being a clueless, ridiculous, hairless fraud.

Liverpool objectively have a far better squad than us that’s largely been settled for years under Klopp, with 3-4 world class players and no real weaknesses in any position.

I’m as much for “ten Hag has done an awful job” as anyone but it’s a pointless comparison.

 

[RedFanaticTattooist]

We can get Carlo then if Real get Xabi

Ancelotti already stated he's gonna retire from coaching and Florentino Perez already offered him an another position at the club to keep him there.

 

[Pexbo]

So after 6 PL games.. we’re:

11 points behind Liverpool with -14 worse goal difference

Wow

Not really a fair statistic is it considering we have a game in hand on Liverpool?

It’s likely to be 11 points and -17 goal difference

 

[Leftback99]

So after 6 PL games.. we’re:

11 points behind Liverpool with -14 worse goal difference

Wow

Disgraceful and embarrassing.

 

[Acquire Me]

Not really a fair statistic is it considering we have a game in hand on Liverpool?

It’s likely to be 11 points and -17 goal difference

Correct.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Bald Dutch United manager in job for 28 months spending over £600m on a lot of his old players
Bald Dutch Liverpool manager in job for 3 months spending (checks notes) £10m on Chiesa

One might be 11 points and 14+ gd behind the other 7 games into the season...


Oh no wait, I'm probably missing some Arteta factor that explains why this is acceptable and not indicative of Hag being a clueless, ridiculous, hairless fraud.

ETH undoubtedly has to go but comparing him to Slot right now is dumb. ETH in his first season finished 3rd and won a cup, let’s see where Liverpool are come the end of the season. The way the wheels have fallen off under ETH since that first season should tell you it’s far too early for people to be declaring Slot as the next Klopp. Thats not aimed at you just a general observation, sick of people piping that cnut off before they’ve even started playing serious teams.

 

[Acquire Me]

ETH undoubtedly has to go but comparing him to Slot right now is dumb. ETH in his first season finished 3rd and won a cup, let’s see where Liverpool are come the end of the season. The way the wheels have fallen off under ETH since that first season should tell you it’s far too early for people to be declaring Slot as the next Klopp. Thats not aimed at you just a general observation, sick of people piping that cnut off before they’ve even started playing serious teams.

He has been impressive against weak opposition, I will say that much. But it’s far too early and he might be another dud soon enough. If I had to guess, I’d say he will never be another Klopp. More likely to be sacked this season or the next one imo.

 

[RedFanaticTattooist]

Liverpool objectively have a far better squad than us that’s largely been settled for years under Klopp, with 3-4 world class players and no real weaknesses in any position.

I’m as much for “ten Hag has done an awful job” as anyone but it’s a pointless comparison.

Liverpool don't have 3-4 world class players. Only two, van Dijk and Salah but they are getting old. But to be fair the "average quality" of their squad is a lot higher if you know what i mean. Having said that, for this you can easily blame ten Hag, who brought lots of awful players to the club just because they are dutch, or saw them playing in Holland or they were former Ajax players like that totally clueless Antony. However the comparison is still pointless as Slot spent only a few months in Liverpool.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

He has been impressive against weak opposition, I will say that much. But it’s far too early and he might be another dud soon enough. If I had to guess, I’d say he will never be another Klopp. More likely to be sacked this season or the next one imo.

Aye they’ve put away the teams put in front of them I’ll give them that, even if they aren’t the strongest opposition. That said Slot’s also inherited a far more potent attack and has a genuine world class forward in Salah. I also think he’ll be exposed before long, let’s see how they fare against the likes of City, Arsenal etc this season.

 

[RedC]

Liverpool don't have 3-4 world class players. Only two, van Dijk and Salah but they are getting old. But to be fair the "average quality" of their squad is a lot higher if you know what i mean. Having said that, for this you can easily blame ten Hag, who brought lots of awful players to the club just because they are dutch, or saw them playing in Holland or they were former Ajax players like that totally clueless Antony. However the comparison is still pointless as Slot spent only a few months in Liverpool.

Alisson is obviously world class as well.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Liverpool don't have 3-4 world class players. Only two, van Dijk and Salah but they are getting old. But to be fair the "average quality" of their squad is a lot higher if you know what i mean. Having said that, for this you can easily blame ten Hag, who brought lots of awful players to the club just because they are dutch, or saw them playing in Holland or they were former Ajax players like that totally clueless Antony. However the comparison is still pointless as Slot spent only a few months in Liverpool.

Allison is clearly world class and I don’t think the likes of Diaz and (controversial, but when used correctly) TAA are far off either.

 

[golden_blunder]

Pace
Power
Penetration
Unpredictability

Every training session should instill that in the side.

Wow, we have fallen so far.

That’s a hard video to watch. Big Sam comes across as an old man searching for words and his points are basic.
Rene as per usual comes across tactically very well but up his own arse “I did this”, “I told David Gill this” etc

 

[Zumbi]

What's nonsense is advocating changing regardless of who you are replacing him with. The idea that literally anybody could do better is naive at best.

Wanting to keep a manager is not the same as waiting to see who will replace him before you sack him, is not the same thing.

Replacing a failing manager with someone potentially worse is not what you'd call a clever strategy.

If there was a standout candidate willing to come in the summer he'd already be gone.

Every single candidate is ‘potentially’ worse because we can’t see in to the future. But they are also potentially better. The only thing we know for sure is that Ten Hag is not good enough and it should not be beyond Ineos to find someone that has a good chance of getting us playing better.

 

[Irwin99]

Yeah, so let's just ignore that our first goal which changed everything came from a hilarious mistake that happens once in 50 games.

It was a lucky win in sense that playing like that we win it 3 out of 10 times at most. We did what we had to do but let's not kid ourselves. We had, what, 25% possesion? FA cup win on the whole was extremely lucky. From the luck of the draw to that Coventry game.

Do you wanna ignore the second goal or the fact that we cut through them with a good move that resulted in an offside goal? Or how about Onana's silly mistake that let them back in it? We won that game because we attacked really well in the first half and defended well in the second half. Not a single pundit said we were 'lucky' to win that day. City deserved nothing from that game.

You can want EtH out all you want, and I think he cannot complain about getting sacked because it's been terrible, but we don't have to revise stuff and say he was purely lucky to beat CIty in the cup final. It was a good performance and every United fan should have been proud of that.

 

[Hughie77]

I don't know how he's still here. Lvg won a FA cup and played imo some better football than Eth. They sacked him to bring Jose in . Maybe there isn't a guy who wants the job have people thought of that?. I'd take a guy who go nothing to lose as a Manager a guy who goes there won feck all no reputation to be dragged through the mud.. feck it I'd rather that than thus guy now all for giving him a fair crack , that's totally gone with me now sooner he goes the better, because I can't see how he can turn it around , where can he do it, how can he fix it Were Were Were does he think it can be fixed..

 

[MadDogg]

Do you wanna ignore the second goal or the fact that we cut through them with a good move that resulted in an offside goal? Or how about Onana's silly mistake that let them back in it? We won that game because we attacked really well in the first half and defended well in the second half. Not a single pundit said we were 'lucky' to win that day. City deserved nothing from that game.

You can want EtH out all you want, and I think he cannot complain about getting sacked because it's been terrible, but we don't have to revise stuff and say he was purely lucky to beat CIty in the cup final. It was a good performance and every United fan should have been proud of that.

Agreed. We were the better team in the final and deserved the win. The Liverpool match in the Quarters was also quite good. People tend to go on about the period during the game that they were utterly dominant, but that was only for 40 of the 120 minutes the match went for (from about the 35th minute to the 75th). For the other 80 minutes we were the better team, albeit by nowhere near as much as they were in their dominant period. Overall it could easily have gone either way and the losing team couldn't really complain about it.

On the flip side, the Coventry match in between them was one of the most embarrassing matches, with ETH being completely outmanaged in terms of in-game decisions by someone who had never managed above the Championship level. We dominated the first half when they sat back and were scared of us, then they changed their tactics at halftime and were the better team for most of the second half and extra time.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Agreed. We were the better team in the final and deserved the win. The Liverpool match in the Quarters was also quite good. People tend to go on about the period during the game that they were utterly dominant, but that was only for 40 of the 120 minutes the match went for (from about the 35th minute to the 75th). For the other 80 minutes we were the better team, albeit by nowhere near as much as they were in their dominant period. Overall it could easily have gone either way and the losing team couldn't really complain about it.

On the flip side, the Coventry match in between them was one of the most embarrassing matches, with ETH being completely outmanaged in terms of in-game decisions by someone who had never managed above the Championship level. We dominated the first half, then they changed their tactics at halftime and were the better team for most of the second half and extra time.

Exactly. The FA Cup final win was not fecking lucky. We actually managed to dominate City. It was a great performance, especially in the first half.

 

[FrankDrebin]

ETH tweaked the set up, with the players input , and we played to our strengths against City in , comfortably, our best overall performance of that season.
ETH seems to have learnt little from that game though.
Annoyingly.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

ETH tweaked the set up, with the players input , and we played to our strengths against City in , comfortably, our best overall performance of that season.
ETH seems to have learnt little from that game though.
Annoyingly.

Exactly. Why can’t he just play like that in every match? He’s shown that he can adapt when he wants to. It’s infuriating.

 

[stevoc]

No, you're missing the point. Without proper thought and a good candidate it could be an utter disaster. The fact were really only had two successful managers shows it's not an easy role to fill.

This club is a monster, it flattens players and managers. It's not a matter of just get anybody in.

I'm not sure I am mate we're discussing replacing Ten Hag that isn't nearly as difficult as replacing Alex Ferguson. No one is saying just get anybody in but going out and getting the best available circa October 2024 is probably going to be an improvement on what we currently have which let's be honest is awful. Ten Hag is a good manager but he's obviously a bad fit for the Premier League and Manchester United. Some managers have teams punching above the talent available to them. Ten Hag over the last 18 months has us punching below our weight, virtually in relelgation form. We can't allow that to continue just because there isn't an ideal/good candidate available currently. You never know how someone will perform until they're actually in the job so I'm not sure there's even such a thing as an ideal candidate. Pretty much every managerial appointment is a roll of the dice.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

No, you're missing the point. Without proper thought and a good candidate it could be an utter disaster. The fact were really only had two successful managers shows it's not an easy role to fill.

This club is a monster, it flattens players and managers. It's not a matter of just get anybody in.

This. We need to get this appointment right. It’s a crucial decision.

 

[Stobzilla]

I wouldn't worry about it, it was an honest mistake. @Stobzilla once pointed out to me that my joke about Puff Daddy running a nursery called Puff Daddy Day Care was inappropriate because, as we all know, he changed his name to P Diddy. Talk about me having egg on my face.

Still, better than the time that Diddy was on it.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

Agreed. We were the better team in the final and deserved the win. The Liverpool match in the Quarters was also quite good. People tend to go on about the period during the game that they were utterly dominant, but that was only for 40 of the 120 minutes the match went for (from about the 35th minute to the 75th). For the other 80 minutes we were the better team, albeit by nowhere near as much as they were in their dominant period. Overall it could easily have gone either way and the losing team couldn't really complain about it.

On the flip side, the Coventry match in between them was one of the most embarrassing matches, with ETH being completely outmanaged in terms of in-game decisions by someone who had never managed above the Championship level. We dominated the first half, then they changed their tactics at halftime and were the better team for most of the second half and extra time.

the crazy thing about the Coventry game was how we went from complete control to just collapsing and not really full recovering. looked out of ideas and hanging on in extra time.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Exactly. Why can’t he just play like that in every match? He’s shown that he can adapt when he wants to. It’s infuriating.

Because he's a stubborn and egotistical boob. His job and a trophy was on the line though so his had to give in-in some way.

 

[stevoc]

The game hasn't even changed, in all eras managers staying beyond 4 or 5 seasons is a rarity. People base that view on the exceptions, not the norm.

Edit: Also longevity is the product of success not the other way around, it's an other fallacy that people follow when it comes to United.

Yep large sections of the United fanbase can't think about managers outside of the context of appointing the next Fergie.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Yep large sections of the United fanbase can't think about managers outside of the context of appointing the next Fergie.

You would think they would've learnt by now.

 

[stevoc]

Rene brilliantly exposing ten Hag.

Having Rene Meulensteen and fecking Sam Allardyce pull apart your tactics must be the ultimate ignominy.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Rene brilliantly exposing ten Hag.

Stephen Howson watching Rene :

 

[stevoc]

You would think they would've learnt by now.

It might be something a lot of United fans won't be able to ever get over.

Up until a few years ago I pretty much thought like that as well.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Less pointless than all the ETH stans trying to favourably compare him to Klopp and Arteta only a few months ago.

I’d say both are pointless.

 

[JPRouve]

Rene brilliantly exposing ten Hag.

When some of us make the same points, no one listens.

 

[Atheist]

A massive fraud of a manager. Conned all gullible folks including the new management into thinking injuries were the reason we were dreadful last year when the evidence was clear in how we were setup tactically.

 

[Winrar]

Rene brilliantly exposing ten Hag.

Getting done in by Allardyce has to be an all time low… sad thing is he ain’t exactly wrong

 

[Kweku Amonoo]

Correct. The club is like Liverpool was in the 90's - too much looking backwards and a lot of fans still take that view.

The idea that you keep a failing manager on because you can't guarantee that the next man in will be an unmitigated success is insane.

There are, at any time, numerous managers who could be the next elite managers, and one or two of them will be. A well run footballing structure (which we now have - "best in class" supposedly), should be able to identify them. It's no different from picking ETH from Ajax. Obviously there are no guarantees the man picked will succeed. If he doesn't, you move him on. The game has changed and managers will rarely stay on for a decade anymore. Stability comes from structure around the club - not the manager. Well run clubs can change a manager every few years and still succeed.

Put this guy on the United board! Well said.