Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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laughtersassassin said:
Let's call a spade a spade here he shot be gone come Monday wether we win lose or draw this weekend.

If he isn't then it doesn't bode well for our immediate future under Ineos.

Managers simply cannot be given this much time, we need to learn to cut the cord much much quicker
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Hopefully we can get a result at Villa park and things will look that bit rosier heading in to the international break. You have to worry given our form though, Villa will fancy their chances. Another defeat could make it very difficult for Erik to hang on in there.
 
GreatDane said:
Why is long term important anyway? If he is a good manager for us for 2 years or so, then that's fine.
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Yeah my thoughts exactly, might give us time to be a more attractive project for Inzaghi, Amorim heck maybe even Nagelsmann after World Cup
 
DOTA said:
Hopefully we can get a result at Villa park and things will look that bit rosier heading in to the international break. You have to worry given our form though, Villa will fancy their chances. Another defeat could make it very difficult for Erik to hang on in there.
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Nothing will look rosy whilst he remains in charge, unless you have a memory of a goldfish
 
laughtersassassin said:
Probably largely and naïvely influenced by the unexplainable clamouring from our fans and the media to keep him.

Repeat that again and they are doing an abysmal job
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Yeah I blame Stretford Paddock and Mitten's UWS poll for making INEOS feel guilty about sacking him
 
It seems that we're often able to start well, with good team play and structure, and then about 20 minutes in we fall apart.. half hour later we're a complete shambles.

I noticed the EtH doesn't seem very active on the touchline anymore, maybe we're losing structure because he's not constantly going mental at all the players to keep them in the right structure... he seems meek and then we drift.
 
VP89 said:
Yep only difference is the trophies.
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And the goals scored. And the goals conceded. And goal difference. And the entertainment and enjoyment factor, being able to beat a top half team, being able to occasionally win away games. etc etc
 
hobbers said:
What a meeting of the minds that will be on Tuesday.

Sacking a manager shouldnt take a grand meeting of CEO, directors and co-owners. But it does for us because it's now a £20m+ decision, depending on how many coaches go along with ETH. Were it not for idiocy and a desperate PR move to trigger his extension, it could have been less than half of that.
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In the context of our football club this is not a some of money worth crying about. Not convinced it breaks the top 50 most financially self-defeating things we've done in our era of pain.
 
hobbers said:
And the goals scored. And the goals conceded. And goal difference. And the entertainment and enjoyment factor, being able to beat a top half team, being able to occasionally win away games. etc etc
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To be fair to ten Hag we did well against top half teams at home in his first season in the league.
 
gaffs said:
It is pretty close.

Ole
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ETH
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You don't get points for cup games so that's a nonsense comparison.
 
gaffs said:
Last night gaslighting us about last season being a success because we won the FA Cup.
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Some fair points, but this grinds my gears. Did he actually say ‘last season was a success because we won the FA cup’. Or is that how you heard it? Bear in mind I haven’t watched the interview yet!

Would last season have been better if we didn’t win the FA cup?

In many ways, this part of your post feels like gaslighting right back. Which is food for thought.
 
I can’t be bothered reading the vitriol any more. Has anyone pointed out that Tuesday’s meeting is a regular monthly meeting?

It’s only remarkable when twitter idiots take it out of context and everyone laps it up.

“It is not know if performance is on the agenda” - it’s an executive meeting FFS, it will be on the agenda, EVERY month.
 
hobbers said:
True we had the three convincing home games against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs at the very start, when Casemiro was fresh off the plane and Rashford wasnt a zombie.

But post-league cup win, the only top half team we have beat convincingly in the league is Chelsea (4-1 and 2-1). Not counting miracle wins against Villa where they thrashed us but couldnt put the ball in the net.

No other United manager has been anywhere near Ten Hag disaster levels for big game/away game preparation and motivation.
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We also beat City 2-1 at home in January.
 
hobbers said:
And the goals scored. And the goals conceded. And goal difference. And the entertainment and enjoyment factor, being able to beat a top half team, being able to occasionally win away games. etc etc
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You don't get cups for better goals conceded and goals scored I'm afraid.
 
gaffs said:
It is pretty close.

Ole
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The number of games is right, the goals are completely wrong though.

Edit: If you're taking it from the summary page of the Manager on TM it's because they count the penalities scored in cup competition shootouts.
 
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VP89 said:
You don't get cups for better goals conceded and goals scored I'm afraid.
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I would gladly trade that poxy league cup for not being humiliated in the CL later in the year and not experiencing the 7-0 a week later. No one will ever look back fondly on that league cup win. It only exists to make Ten Hag fans feel better.
 
VP89 said:
Not really. Ten hag has two major trophies to his name and that's better than none.
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Generously he has 1 major trophy that he conspired to throw away against a Championship side with his kamikaze tactics and won by the skin of his teeth against a City side that had been on the piss and threw a goal in.

Worst league finish, worst goal difference, worst European record, biggest defeats, most times conceded 3+ goals ect in about 50 years.

Ole lost one major trophy in a penalty shootout by the skin of his teeth. Ole also made us a Champions League side twice and one of the better teams in the league for 2 and a half seasons.

It was definitely time for Ole to go as he couldn't take us to the next step but to say Ten Hag is "miles ahead" wow.
 
I’d happily not throw away a trophy. It was a great feeling - at the time. I’d take a season with a trophy over a season without one. Real Madrid wouldn’t accept a trophyless season, so why should we. The same is also true that we shouldn’t take awful league seasons. We need a manager who can win trophies every season and can get us to consistently perform well in the league. feck Solskjær and ten Hag as managers, neither were fecking good enough.
 
I'd say he's done well to win 2 trophies. But that's it. He's woefully underperformed in Europe and in the League. I'd go as far as saying every single United Manager (Rangnick not included, technically Caretaker) has done better.

I'd also go as far as saying the only decent section of form he's shown at United was back from Aug 7, 2022 to Mar 1, 2023. That was a run of 41 games where we only lost 6 games and managed 30 wins hence everyone badgering on about how he had an amazing win rate through 2023. He had a great start at United and that ran out at the 7-0 to Liverpool when Rashford officially became broken and our attacking threat disappeared. From that point onwards it's been a disaster.

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To put it into perspective, first 41 games he managed 30 wins. In the next 83 games he's managed 41 wins. A huge drop off.
 
Globule said:
If Real Madrid had the performances and results we had over the past two years they'd have cycled through 3 managers by now.

Obviously you want to be patient and build something, but there needs to be some signs of positivity to earn that level of trust.
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This is our biggest problem as a club and why we've failed over the last ten years. Managers never need to earn our trust, its always given. We always treat new managers like they are saving us, and that we need them more than they need us. For me, this is what develops the arrogance. When Klopp arrived at Liverpool, despite how celebrated he was, he didn't tell Liverpool fans that people advised him not to take the job, but he did it for the challenge.

Our fans complain so much about the attitudes of our players and their desire to succeed. Yet when we hire these managers, we never take these into consideration. You can't hold players to a personality standard that managers aren't expected to follow. This has been a massive factor in the failures of at least 3 of the 5 permanent managers we've hired (LVG, Mourinho and ETH); which is why it should not be a surprise that they fell out with players. We had managers that used their egos and personal vendettas in the process of buying and selling players. Managers who misused their authorities. At a club like Man United, there is a certain standard of behaviour that is expected, simply because Ferguson, who had earned the trust of the club and had proved himself to be a good man manager, had some altercations in a 20 year + tenure at United, does not mean that its ok for managers to be a jerk.

Ole may have not had the tactical acumen to lead this club forward, but he represented the characteristics that you want in a Man United manager. He took responsibility for tactical failures, always faced the media without being aggressively prickly and never threw players under the bus.
 
RedSky said:
I'd say he's done well to win 2 trophies. But that's it. He's woefully underperformed in Europe and in the League. I'd go as far as saying every single United Manager (Rangnick not included, technically Caretaker) has done better.

I'd also go as far as saying the only decent section of form he's shown at United was back from Aug 7, 2022 to Mar 1, 2023. That was a run of 41 games where we only lost 6 games and managed 30 wins hence everyone badgering on about how he had an amazing win rate through 2023. He had a great start at United and that ran out at the 7-0 to Liverpool when Rashford officially became broken and our attacking threat disappeared. From that point onwards it's been a disaster.

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To put it into perspective, first 41 games he managed 30 wins. In the next 83 games he's managed 41 wins. A huge drop off.
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Good. A very accurate, level-headed post. He was good up until after the League Cup win, and has been pants ever since. It’s been the case for nineteen motherfecking months. We were at our best between October and February, especially the spell after the World Cup that culminated in us beating City 2-1 at home.
 
hobbers said:
I would gladly trade that poxy league cup for not being humiliated in the CL later in the year and not experiencing the 7-0 a week later. No one will ever look back fondly on that league cup win. It only exists to make Ten Hag fans feel better.
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You do you. As a Manchester united supporter I value silverware over 3 points.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Generously he has 1 major trophy that he conspired to throw away against a Championship side with his kamikaze tactics and won by the skin of his teeth against a City side that had been on the piss and threw a goal in.

Worst league finish, worst goal difference, worst European record, biggest defeats, most times conceded 3+ goals ect in about 50 years.

Ole lost one major trophy in a penalty shootout by the skin of his teeth. Ole also made us a Champions League side twice and one of the better teams in the league for 2 and a half seasons.

It was definitely time for Ole to go as he couldn't take us to the next step but to say Ten Hag is "miles ahead" wow.
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Said it already there's no value getting into a debate about it. Preferring a manager who took one season to beat Oles best point tally in 3 attempts whilst hitting 2 Cup finals and one Cup is not contraversial for me. Cry about it somewhere else.
 
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