Forgetting what you personally want, do you think Ten Hag would actually be sacked if we lose on Sunday?
Username checks out.Let's call a spade a spade here he shot be gone come Monday wether we win lose or draw this weekend.
If he isn't then it doesn't bode well for our immediate future under Ineos.
Managers simply cannot be given this much time, we need to learn to cut the cord much much quicker
That is what they did after the FA Cup win.
Why is long term important anyway? If he is a good manager for us for 2 years or so, then that's fine.
Nothing will look rosy whilst he remains in charge, unless you have a memory of a goldfishHopefully we can get a result at Villa park and things will look that bit rosier heading in to the international break. You have to worry given our form though, Villa will fancy their chances. Another defeat could make it very difficult for Erik to hang on in there.
I think you misread. Rosier, not rosy.Nothing will look rosy whilst he remains in charge, unless you have a memory of a goldfish
Probably largely and naïvely influenced by the unexplainable clamouring from our fans and the media to keep him.
Repeat that again and they are doing an abysmal job
From the horses mouth, non-backing
Absolute nonsense!As poor as Ten Hag is this and last season, I still have him miles ahead of Ole.
Probably largely and naïvely influenced by the unexplainable clamouring from our fans and the media to keep him.
Repeat that again and they are doing an abysmal job
Obviously the fans have now changed their Ming the media not so muchThis is why they shouldn't be looking at The Caf poll!
As poor as Ten Hag is this and last season, I still have him miles ahead of Ole.
| Matches | W | D | L | Goals | Points | PPM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 168 | 92 | 35 | 41 | 323:199 | 311 | 1.85 |
| Matches | W | D | L | Goals | Points | PPM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 124 | 71 | 18 | 35 | 230:176 | 231 | 1.86 |
Yep only difference is the trophies.It is pretty close.
Ole
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 168 92 35 41 323:199 311 1.85
ETH
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 124 71 18 35 230:176 231 1.86
Yep only difference is the trophies.
Yep only difference is the trophies.
In the context of our football club this is not a some of money worth crying about. Not convinced it breaks the top 50 most financially self-defeating things we've done in our era of pain.What a meeting of the minds that will be on Tuesday.
Sacking a manager shouldnt take a grand meeting of CEO, directors and co-owners. But it does for us because it's now a £20m+ decision, depending on how many coaches go along with ETH. Were it not for idiocy and a desperate PR move to trigger his extension, it could have been less than half of that.
To be fair to ten Hag we did well against top half teams at home in his first season in the league.And the goals scored. And the goals conceded. And goal difference. And the entertainment and enjoyment factor, being able to beat a top half team, being able to occasionally win away games. etc etc
You don't get points for cup games so that's a nonsense comparison.It is pretty close.
Ole
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 168 92 35 41 323:199 311 1.85
ETH
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 124 71 18 35 230:176 231 1.86
He's not Gareth Southgate? ( suggests with no conviction whatsoever.)I don't understand why he's still our coach. There's not a single reason to keep him as far as I'm concerned.
Some fair points, but this grinds my gears. Did he actually say ‘last season was a success because we won the FA cup’. Or is that how you heard it? Bear in mind I haven’t watched the interview yet!Last night gaslighting us about last season being a success because we won the FA Cup.
What makes you think that? They've tolerated more than 18 months of terrible form.The owners won't stand for that sort of form
We also beat City 2-1 at home in January.True we had the three convincing home games against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs at the very start, when Casemiro was fresh off the plane and Rashford wasnt a zombie.
But post-league cup win, the only top half team we have beat convincingly in the league is Chelsea (4-1 and 2-1). Not counting miracle wins against Villa where they thrashed us but couldnt put the ball in the net.
No other United manager has been anywhere near Ten Hag disaster levels for big game/away game preparation and motivation.
So "miles ahead" is a bit much then no?
You don't get cups for better goals conceded and goals scored I'm afraid.And the goals scored. And the goals conceded. And goal difference. And the entertainment and enjoyment factor, being able to beat a top half team, being able to occasionally win away games. etc etc
It is pretty close.
Ole
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 168 92 35 41 323:199 311 1.85
ETH
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 124 71 18 35 230:176 231 1.86
Not really. Ten hag has two major trophies to his name and that's better than none.
You don't get cups for better goals conceded and goals scored I'm afraid.
Not really. Ten hag has two major trophies to his name and that's better than none.
Rene brilliantly exposing ten Hag.
If Real Madrid had the performances and results we had over the past two years they'd have cycled through 3 managers by now.
Obviously you want to be patient and build something, but there needs to be some signs of positivity to earn that level of trust.
Good. A very accurate, level-headed post. He was good up until after the League Cup win, and has been pants ever since. It’s been the case for nineteen motherfecking months. We were at our best between October and February, especially the spell after the World Cup that culminated in us beating City 2-1 at home.I'd say he's done well to win 2 trophies. But that's it. He's woefully underperformed in Europe and in the League. I'd go as far as saying every single United Manager (Rangnick not included, technically Caretaker) has done better.
I'd also go as far as saying the only decent section of form he's shown at United was back from Aug 7, 2022 to Mar 1, 2023. That was a run of 41 games where we only lost 6 games and managed 30 wins hence everyone badgering on about how he had an amazing win rate through 2023. He had a great start at United and that ran out at the 7-0 to Liverpool when Rashford officially became broken and our attacking threat disappeared. From that point onwards it's been a disaster.
Edit:
To put it into perspective, first 41 games he managed 30 wins. In the next 83 games he's managed 41 wins. A huge drop off.
It seems that we're often able to start well,
You do you. As a Manchester united supporter I value silverware over 3 points.I would gladly trade that poxy league cup for not being humiliated in the CL later in the year and not experiencing the 7-0 a week later. No one will ever look back fondly on that league cup win. It only exists to make Ten Hag fans feel better.
