Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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When a managers on the verge of being sacked we normally see a lot more news about it don’t we? Unless it all comes down to the result on Sunday and it just suddenly happens on Monday morning. I remember the week leading up to Ole and LVG sacking. Was a lot of people on it.
Dan and I believe Omar weren't really involved during the summer talks with Tuchel - so what stopped Ratcliffe from getting Tuchel?
I think if we get Tuchel in next week, he’ll win at least 1 trophy this season probably the Europa. But I don’t think he’s the long term solution.
Wasn’t this story about Tuchel rejecting us just based on what a BILD journalist said, who was found to be somewhat dubious in terms of reliability?
Omar's first big test.
There's been a lot less news in general around the club. Usually in the transfer window we get linked to 100s of players. This window we were linked to only really the ones we actually were after.
It should be a resounding yes no matter what happens at Villa. But, I have a feeling he'll be kept on.
Yeah, there's no chance ETH is our manager come end of the season. I just can't imagine a scenario where INEOS and the sporting department are so out of touch with reality that they feel like we're moving in the right direction. I assume they're working hard behind the scenes to identify Erik's successor while also giving him a couple of more games before they sack him so they can justify letting him go a couple of months after sticking with him.
They were happy enough with last season, and they even rewarded him with another year triggered on his contract already. We haven’t really been worse this season than last year so I can see why they are happy to continue with him now.
I’m firmly in the sack camp, but, I have a feeling the new management may not be there just yet. Perhaps it’s because they can’t find a good replacement at this time, or don’t want to put RvN in as an interim. Besides which, some of their new signings aren’t exactly setting the world alight - de Ligt and Ugarte in particular. We may be stuck with him for a bit longer yet despite Villa, sadly.
He'll be sacked by Christmas. There's a lot of heavy defeats happening before then. But, the fact that he'll get that far is bonkers.
I almost feel that the people who backed him after the atrocity of last season deserve another full season of him, just to ram home how idiotic a stance that was.
Will probably get a win at Villa by going back to compact and balls over the top, gaining himself another 6 weeks of inanely moronic wide open space games until the pressure mounts to near sacking when at which point the compact shape will come out and repeat, repeat, repeat.
5 or 6 decent games out of 60/70, City being on the piss all week and throwing the first goal in is some Pep grand plan.
Will probably get a win at Villa by going back to compact and balls over the top, gaining himself another 6 weeks of inanely moronic wide open space games until the pressure mounts to near sacking when at which point the compact shape will come out and repeat, repeat, repeat.
5 or 6 decent games out of 60/70, City being on the piss all week and throwing the first goal in is some Pep grand plan.
They weren't happy enough with last season, they went into the market to see what alternatives there were. Tuchel broke down because he seemingly wanted full control.
In any case - they settled for the Ten Hag project quite plausibly under the condition that he shows immediate improvement - or else they would make a change.
So the leaks have stopped a bit more then?
I think we need to stop thinking of managers in the long term. In the modern age even the likes of Klopp or Pep being in one job for 8-9 years is very rare. You hire a manager to get you to the next stage you are looking to get to (top 4, challenge for title or win title) if he gets you there great if he doesn't then you get someone else and try again.
There's nothing wrong with having a succession of managers who are only here for 1-2 year stints.
I wouldnt cite the new contract as a 'reward'. It was easier to demonstrate a togetherness with a year extension and we are unaware of certain terms that may make a break clause easier than before.
As I said - one decision you disagree with in the many that will likely follow doesn't make them unambitious. They have made tons of decisions that prove ambition, and the decision to stick with Ten Hag was before we had some well appointed personnel in place.
There’s a lot wrong with it actually. We’d rather not restart every 2 years and if we are having to change managers every 1/2 years then that means we’ve obviously failed. The fact managers can stay in jobs for 8/9 years shows they’ve been successful.
Yet no improvement and we are still here with him in charge. I think they simply bought into his long term project thing.
I’m not. I genuinely believe they are going to show patience, regardless of how much fans seem to almost unanimously hate the idea of him managing us. He’d be gone after Spurs game if they have any intention of binning him, we won’t play worse than that.I can see you're trolling again
My biggest question regarding his reign is and will be; what happened with his tactics and style from Ajax? He got a job based on that and was highly rated 2 years ago because of that.
in United he looked as completely different manager.
in United he looked as completely different manager.
I think he has a clause in his contract team performance based .. they don't want to just pay 17M for firing him..
His tactics at Ajax was basically how Ajax want to play regardless of who the manager is.
You're impatient. There are credible leaks that he's on thin ice. They aren't without basis.
As I said - there are a few other decisions that show they have big ambition for the club, so to insinuate they are simply unambitious ditherers is premature and probably unfair.
I'm not sure they'll sack him either, no matter how Villa game goes. I'd also say that there has been improvement in some of the games so far this season, but at the same time ETH monumentally messed up a few games like Liverpool and Spurs.
There are also several of the same glaring issues that keep happening from last season.
I can see them remaining patient and giving him time, even if we continue to be inconsistent, but he definitely doesn't have years, or even the whole season for himself, if things don't improve.
We spoke to Tuchel, he turned us down for a reason. I doubt that reason has changed, so if we do go back to him then we will be doing so to capitulate to his needs which is weak from INEOS. I also don't understand what our game model is if we can go from Ten Hag and buying players for his style of football then to Tuchel who plays a differentstyle to him. I'll give INEOS time but so far I'm not really seeing much change in terms of decision making.
They won't remain patient with him. He's gone in my opinion. Think it's pretty clear to me.
'Muppetiers' knows nothing.
Yeah he’s being given ‘games to save his job’. They obviously can’t fire him if we get a result at Villa, and we will probably snatch a draw or at least not get beaten as heavily as we did against Spurs which will just make it more difficult for them to pull the trigger. If they genuinely wanted to fire him then they had their chance.
This I feel is the main reason. Its easy to say "anyone" would be better than what Eth is serving up, but it feels like we would rather get a good permanent replacement than an average interim.
Keeping him and allowing the new structure and players to bed in is a better option than an interim.
How do we judge a manager? I would suggest some of the criterias are....
Tactics - of which ETH's are baffling and at times non existent.
Results - Dreadful season last year. Historically bad CL group campaign and an 8th place finish. Numerous thrashings from teams up and down the down the league. From two convincing losses against City to losing 0-3 at home to Bournemouth and 4-0 away at Palace.
Substitutions - again, bizarre at at times. Rashford getting hooked last night was the latest. When have we seen a change that really changed to pattern of the game? And im not talking about throwing on McSauce in extra time when a couple of goals are needed.
Communication with the fans and media - often nonsensical stuff we hear from him post game. Last night gaslighting us about last season being a success because we won the FA Cup.
Signings - Rotten. Is there any player that ETH has signed that would get into the first XI at City, Liverpool or Arsenal?
Progress of players - Have we seen a player really develop under Ten Hag's tutelage? Mainoo and Garnacho have been great, but they always were going to be. Is there a player that was here prior that has really improved his game? Maybe Dallot in patches, but now he he been chucked over to left back and looks terrible.
Relationship with players - Feels like it has soured. Fall outs with Sancho. Dumping DDH. Stripping Maguire of the captaincy and not being able to get him out. All these things add up over time.
I really don't see any redeeming features in ETH or any reason why we should continue down this path.
As fans, I think we like the idea of Ten Hag. We like this idea of a progressive modern tracksuit manager / coach, who did well with Ajax and who doesn't take any shit. But the reality is, he's not that.
Tactics - of which ETH's are baffling and at times non existent.
Results - Dreadful season last year. Historically bad CL group campaign and an 8th place finish. Numerous thrashings from teams up and down the down the league. From two convincing losses against City to losing 0-3 at home to Bournemouth and 4-0 away at Palace.
Substitutions - again, bizarre at at times. Rashford getting hooked last night was the latest. When have we seen a change that really changed to pattern of the game? And im not talking about throwing on McSauce in extra time when a couple of goals are needed.
Communication with the fans and media - often nonsensical stuff we hear from him post game. Last night gaslighting us about last season being a success because we won the FA Cup.
Signings - Rotten. Is there any player that ETH has signed that would get into the first XI at City, Liverpool or Arsenal?
Progress of players - Have we seen a player really develop under Ten Hag's tutelage? Mainoo and Garnacho have been great, but they always were going to be. Is there a player that was here prior that has really improved his game? Maybe Dallot in patches, but now he he been chucked over to left back and looks terrible.
Relationship with players - Feels like it has soured. Fall outs with Sancho. Dumping DDH. Stripping Maguire of the captaincy and not being able to get him out. All these things add up over time.
I really don't see any redeeming features in ETH or any reason why we should continue down this path.
As fans, I think we like the idea of Ten Hag. We like this idea of a progressive modern tracksuit manager / coach, who did well with Ajax and who doesn't take any shit. But the reality is, he's not that.
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I don't understand why he's still our coach. There's not a single reason to keep him as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, Monday. Would be funny in a quite a masochistic sort of way if they wouldn't fire him Monday, not least if we lose to Villa. But yeah, I think he's gone, they just want to get to the break is my hunch.
Not necessarily, now we have a proper structure in place and a DOF and team overseeing recruitment and a long term plan, providing stability it should be no problem to plug first team coaches in and out as needed. There's nothing wrong with hiring a manager to make us a top 4 side then replacing him quickly if that's his ceiling. Then replace him with a coach who can make us title challengers and in turn replace them with one who wins us the league and so on. The point is we keep going until the club is where it should be. If a manager is wildly successful I'm sure it's possible they could be here for 4-5 years but the point is we should be more concerned about Manchester United being successful not any one manager, we need to move away from the Fergie model. We don't need a manager to be in the job for 5-10 years as long as the club is successful.
Manchester United shouldn't be waiting around and funding any more project managers. Hire them and give them a goal if within 12-24 months they haven't met that goal then replace them.
That risks us realistically finishing in the bottom places on the table with zero kind of continental football
Simon stone answered a question on the BBC earlier about the cost of sacking him and he pointed out that it’s approximately a £3m loss for each position down in the table that a team finishes.
Whilst the cost of sacking him may be a factor, finishing near our current position and no European football next season would cost us more than the reported £17m for sacking him.
Hopefully, if it is a factor, they see that ETH’s current trajectory will probably cost us more and we see a new manager taking charge soon.
Failed on all counts.
Also Maguire not McGuire
Edit - Not only did he strip Maguire, he appointed probaly our worse captain ever
I think an as yet unnamed interim is possibly a bigger risk.
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