Same thing happened under Ole if you recall? We kept going down in games and then winning games because we just threw the kitchen sink without any tactics. It is a short term fix when you go a goal or two down and go hell for leather.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Same thing happened under Ole if you recall? We kept going down in games and then winning games because we just threw the kitchen sink without any tactics. It is a short term fix when you go a goal or two down and go hell for leather.
There are apparently get-out clauses in Erik's contract
Seriously doubt that everything came down to that game against City.
Imagine being a Vila player and beating Bayern and United in the same week? Yeah we’re fecked.
I hope there’s a “talking about previous trophies” clause that means we can fire him with no compensation besides a replica FA cup keyring.
The difference is, we had actual goal scoring talent in those teams. ETH has build a side that's terrible at converting chances, kitchen sink or not.
Someone mentioned big Sam earlier and I was just thinking. How come managers like him are brought in after a sacking to rescue the season? How do they turn things around but don't take 3 years to do it? Is it only us that it apparently takes 3 years to see any change?
Manchester United doesn't believe in rescuing seasons, it's not in our DNA. The football, results and team morale must reach a crushingly low point before anything happens.
If I remember correctly this was in Ole's best season where we finished 2nd(?)
We actually underperformed XG quite clearly and it was never sustainable, as the next season showed
It's money though, multiplying it in this way does not give proper context. 1 million is a whole lot different to 100 million.
He’s normally brought in when teams are fighting relegation.
It’s easier to set up a team to defend for their lives and try to nick a goal through a set piece, then it is to set them up to play attractive football that fans want to get behind.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...alace-Mason-Greenwood-SAMI-MOKBEL-COLUMN.html
article seems to be behind paywall - so I can't confirm
I'm suspecting/speculating a brief from EtH's camp
article seems to be behind paywall - so I can't confirm
I'm suspecting/speculating a brief from EtH's camp
Apparently Erik has asked his stars to take responsibility and sort it out. 
I think it's a valid debate that United holding on to managers for an extended period of time has contributed massively to the club's failure.
Maresca with Chelsea is a good indicator because start of last season I would have thought United would be competitive far quicker than Chelsea and as Heraclitus stated change is an inevitable constant, change is something fans seem to fear and it's likely due to the influence SAF had.
Unfortunately, INEOS have adjudicated that the failure is down to lack of structure while the managers incompetence has always been the biggest issue.
Giving patience to one individual and seeing how they pan out is far more redundant compared to sifting through an array of different coaches until one sticks out. Variation under such instances is far more beneficial.
Maresca with Chelsea is a good indicator because start of last season I would have thought United would be competitive far quicker than Chelsea and as Heraclitus stated change is an inevitable constant, change is something fans seem to fear and it's likely due to the influence SAF had.
Unfortunately, INEOS have adjudicated that the failure is down to lack of structure while the managers incompetence has always been the biggest issue.
Giving patience to one individual and seeing how they pan out is far more redundant compared to sifting through an array of different coaches until one sticks out. Variation under such instances is far more beneficial.
Schtick to the plannn!!!Apparently Erik has asked his stars to take responsibility and sort it out.
You need a competent structure to hire a competent manager. Without having a structure and club philosophy, you will just randomly pick managers, something we have been doing in the past decade.
2 more games lads. Hang on in there.
I am afraid we'll indeed Hag on
Yeah, picking the wrong manager happens. What's criminal is when you veer from one direction to the next after spending hundreds of millions to build a squad to play a certain way. Which is what we've done over and over with absolutely no consistency in the way that the managers want to play. They then have to buy half of a squad, it never goes well and the cycle repeats. The scousers are a proper run club and it shows in who they've picked to replace Klopp, he hasn't needed a new squad to get them to perform because the new style is an adaptation rather than radical change.
Well if start to look at expected goals and expected points, it shows even more clearly how bad we are under EtH (much worse than under other managers post-Fergie who got comparable amount of time).
Under LVG we were 4th and 8th on expected points in his two full seasons.
Under Jose we were 4th and 6th.
Under Ole we were 4th and 4th.
Under EtH we were 6th on expected points in his first season (but I bet you never called the fact that we finished 3rd “unsustainable” because of that). We were 15th (!) in his second season. We are 10th now.
If that's true, the xG boys are in the mud. Christ that is bad.
No the season after when we were in the CL.. the games against West Ham, Atalanta etc..
Last year we looked hungover in the weekends despite having been kicked out of all European cups.
The writing is on the wall. bar a miracle (odds are very low), we will keep stuttering with a win here, loss there. we need a drastic change in "managing" the team and the games. i am guessing he will be gone by end of Oct and RVN taking over. the bigger question is - is RVN the right choice for the whole season?
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
Tottenham just won and it's burst his bubble
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
Cab for Ten Hag, quick, march, on the double
He’s been here two years and it’s never really clicked
He keeps on trying, but we always get dicked
The final was great, yeah, City got slammed
But the league’s gone to shite and he’s gonna get canned
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
Tottenham just won and it's burst his bubble
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
Cab for Ten Hag, quick, march, on the double
He’s spent a lot of money, but it doesn’t seem to work
We play Bruno all the time and he acts like a jerk
We’ve got Rashers on the wing and he’s looking really tired
But he won’t take him off, so he’s gonna get, gonna get, gonna get…
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
…
Tottenham just won and it's burst his bubble
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
Cab for Ten Hag, quick, march, on the double
He’s been here two years and it’s never really clicked
He keeps on trying, but we always get dicked
The final was great, yeah, City got slammed
But the league’s gone to shite and he’s gonna get canned
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
Tottenham just won and it's burst his bubble
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
Cab for Ten Hag, quick, march, on the double
He’s spent a lot of money, but it doesn’t seem to work
We play Bruno all the time and he acts like a jerk
We’ve got Rashers on the wing and he’s looking really tired
But he won’t take him off, so he’s gonna get, gonna get, gonna get…
Uh-oh, Erik’s in trouble
…
It was widely reported at the time that there was alot of tension between RvN and the players, as well as differences between him and the back up staff as well.
By all accounts he was a difficult manager, I'm not sure he would be as great as a lot of people are hoping/presuming if he took over from ETH.
Yep, I mean this year we look hungover too.. our 2 PL wins have been far from convincing either. Permanent hangover under this manager.
I'm not doubting what has been said nor contesting it has been reported previously. I'm saying I suspect/I'm speculating the timing of the new report now is a brief by Ten Hag's camp.
I don't think many even want RvN to take over here. I've not seen many shouts, and the ones I did see were saying "interim" til we work on something else.
No. Thinking an anonymous poster on an internet forum might be trolling isn’t actually the same as a discussion about how logistical barriers may affect how long it takes club owners/management to come to an agreement with an interim so they can sack him.
Yeah that's basically what I said earlier. If we'd just changed the manager and left the playing style relatively unchanged I think we would be in far better position even with the Glazers etc in charge but we didn't.
Unless fan sentiment is a significant factor on whether a manager is sacked or not, and by that I mean the weight and momentum of snowballing negative sentiment, I don't really get how the outcome of the next game or two games decides the fate of a manager. We're talking about millions to get rid of a manager, then a process of finding another manager, potentially hundreds of millions in transfers that suit that other manager, and so on.
Surely whatever the decision is, there is more weight to the 123 games we've played under ETH than the next 2 games.
Surely whatever the decision is, there is more weight to the 123 games we've played under ETH than the next 2 games.
True to form, you have assumed I did not taken any "logistical barriers" into account. A genuinely terrible take.
You basically asked me what I'd do with Ten Hag if I were Sir Jim Ratcliffe, and then said I support a rival team because you didn't like the answer. Now you're claiming its a different situation when the owners are literally taking the same approach I have.
The hypocrisy is actually quite funny at this stage.
I was at the Spurs game. First one this season and it might be the only one.
I was always optimistic but I left the stadium thinking, am I being delusional? Apart from Onana, I couldn't see any other positives whatsoever. Spurs scored early and all the United players couldn't get going at all. They were nervous.
It was getting chilly, it was raining, dark and depressing. That pretty much sums up where we are at.
I have been at plenty of games when we lost. You travel and go to a match, you can't always expect a win. That's fine. We got a tour bus from Ireland. We left 4am Sunday to get the boat in Dublin from my home place. We didn't get back until 9:45am Monday morning. The highlight of the trip was Nandos in the Trafford centre afterwards.
To travel for that much time and to see that quality of Football, it was the only time I felt I needed a refund. I was shocked by how bad we were.
Going to a game or season is my happy time, it's my time away from my business and work and it's my release but Christ, that was a shocking attempt of football. Genuinely, a League of Ireland game would have been more entertaining.
I was always optimistic but I left the stadium thinking, am I being delusional? Apart from Onana, I couldn't see any other positives whatsoever. Spurs scored early and all the United players couldn't get going at all. They were nervous.
It was getting chilly, it was raining, dark and depressing. That pretty much sums up where we are at.
I have been at plenty of games when we lost. You travel and go to a match, you can't always expect a win. That's fine. We got a tour bus from Ireland. We left 4am Sunday to get the boat in Dublin from my home place. We didn't get back until 9:45am Monday morning. The highlight of the trip was Nandos in the Trafford centre afterwards.
To travel for that much time and to see that quality of Football, it was the only time I felt I needed a refund. I was shocked by how bad we were.
Going to a game or season is my happy time, it's my time away from my business and work and it's my release but Christ, that was a shocking attempt of football. Genuinely, a League of Ireland game would have been more entertaining.
Apparently Erik has asked his stars to take responsibility and sort it out.
Fair enough if you ask me, those jokers pulling on that famous shirt need to put a shift in for a start and show some pride in their own performances.
The manager can be blamed for a lot of things but showing some pride to themselves is something the players need to do as a minimum. A lot has changed behind the scenes and it's not only down to Ten Hag. All these new performances coaches etc... have a lot to answer for.
Unfortunately, I don't see how Ten Hag will sort out this mess. Worse yet, I don't know who can.
The point is Erik hasn't taken responsibility for anything and he's got the cheek to come out with that. Hate the pillock!
I might be way off, maybe he knows the public will react like this and the media pressure is on him and not the players. I know Sir Alex used to always do this, he'd take the heat and would go mental at a reporter if they try to criticise his players. Not same situation just saying.
I mean, it's incredibly worrying too from a coaching point of view. Well, at least it would be of we didn't already know he's just not that good. Asking the players to come up with the answers just sounds like he's out of ideas. His responses in the sky interview were equally as daft too, saying his solution to our problems is "keep the belief" etc.
Unfortunately, we've seen time and time again that when it goes - it all goes. And when players and a team aren't doing well - whether it's because they don't understand how they are supposed to play or just aren't doing it/being prevented from doing it by the opposition - then everything else will drop as well.
I don't expect it to be different here.
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