No harm in calling it what it is.
If grown men being paid 100k+ a week can't handle a home truth every now and then, they should really reconsider their profession.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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No harm in calling it what it is.
If grown men being paid 100k+ a week can't handle a home truth every now and then, they should really reconsider their profession.
Nah if we lose 4-0 to Porto tomorrow he’s gone.
Problem is he's viewing them through orange colored glasses. mates rates mates
Has this 2 games to save his job thing ever been confirmed by any reliable source?
His squad building has been horrendous. I always go back to how he said Pep underestimated the physicality of the PL and yet he's spent £600m and has the slowest, weakest team in the PL.
Who said it needed to be done in less than a day? It’s been three days since we were humiliated by Spurs at home
And what if they don’t want Ruud as interim and they have someone else in mind? Its been 3 days exactly. Relax
We've got arguably the fastest attack in the league in Rashford, Garnacho, Hojlund and maybe Amad.
You need more than just speed though.
You see that's the thing about someone calling your work 'pathetic' it can directly affect your income and career. If losing the ball on the half way line is pathetic then I guess that applies to about 99% of the PL.
Again, they’ve had since May to figure this contingency out. Ten Hag being equally useless this season as he was last season has not been a surprise. It should have been planned for as one of the very likely scenarios when they made that ill-fated decision to keep him back in May.
If we get an interim rather than an immediate full replacement, it’ll be RvN. We don’t need to see any more humiliations under Ten Hag to figure out where this is headed.
Yes we can see them under Ruud instead
I can definitely see this being the case. He comes across a bit uninspiring.
Not going to take any of your predictions seriously given the fact that you were arguing with other posters that we weren’t going to get humiliated by Spurs and would win if we kept our performances up.
He gets Villa game to turn it around.
Also clueless.
Obviously the club has been poorly run for a long time and the that has been reflected in our managerial appointments. The same people who made one bad decision after another regarding players, the club structure etc were also appointed if the managers.
Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ole, all of them had peaked, their careers were in decline yet we appointed all of them. None of them would have gone to other top teams in the Premier League and been successful at that stage of their careers.
ETH is the first one whose career was on an upward trajectory, it hasn’t worked but you just move on and bring in someone else. Managers had to be sacked for Pep, Klopp and Arteta to all be appointed and make huge progress with City, Liverpool and Arsenal. If we persist with ETH it will almost certainly just get worse and worse until he gets the boot anyway. We always wait to long to sack and I hope we have the sense to make sure that someone else is in charge after the next international break.
Truth is Arteta's won less than Ten Hag so far and might never win anything else. So he's not a great example at all.
I can never wrap my head around the ''let's give a manager 5 years because we haven't tried that'' argument. What happens if we get to the end of the 5 years, with no CL football for 4 of them, all our decent senior players aging out with any decent young ones having left and finding it hard to attract top young players because of no CL etc etc. Then what just give someone else 5 years and hope for the best to see if they workout?
2 years is a long enough period of time for a manager to be showing something, anything. Maybe not challenging for the title but at least having us playing some sort of decent football and ideally not having us playing like an amateur side that gets battered every other week. When Ten Hag was appoointed no one was talking about 5-6 year projects, it was pretty much unanimous he shoud be challenging for the title by years 3 or 4.
Agreed. And this is why it’s so frustrating that Ten Hag hasn’t been sacked already. It’s the perfect opportunity for Ineos to start drawing a line under the lowering of standards, but instead we’re going to see a dead manager sleep walking our team through the next couple games before they belatedly pull the trigger.
Ole was 45 or so when we hired him, Moyes barely over 50. They weren’t past their peak, they were just not very good and their prior track record before joining United did not indicate they would be suitable for the job (especially Ole who had been successful only at Molde - even the best managers in that sort of leagues don’t get to manage big teams under normal circumstances).
Maybe the decision makers don't support the club, right?
Depressing
We didnt keep our performances up and
Ruud is not managing at PSV or any other club why? I won’t take anyone seriously who thinks someone who didn't do well as a manager and is a current coach involved in our setup is going to turn things around.
What are you on about?
The vast majority of these players have only ever been managed by Ten Hag at United.
It isn't really a mystery at all, the club has been a shambles. Poor recruitment, average managers, managers with vastly different styles, giving managers too much say over transfers, they sell players that don't suit them and sign medicore players to replace them, taking too long to sack said average or past it managers. Rinse repeat.
Charisma, personality, motivation are all huge factors. The best managers of all time don't just rely on tactics and coaching.
In your own insinuationif you don't want the manager sacked now and prefer to monitor until the internationals you aren't a supporter of the club.
Agree. ten Hag's biggest problem is charisma imo.
Unless of course said group of grown men, who know 99.9% more than most about what's going on behind the scenes don't think it's a truth at all.
It seems like we've reached the counter briefing stage of the managerial sacking process. Where the manager blames the players (which further affects performances) and the players blame the manager.
The weaknesses and holes even in those performances were plain for all to see. That’s why so many of us weren’t convinced that a decent 45 against a poor Palace where we still couldn’t score was the dawning of a new era. I’m still baffled how some of you lot couldn’t see it.
I have never claimed RvN will turn things around. I am making the point that failures on the level that Ten Hag has overseen are simply unacceptable, and that should be reflected in the immediate loss of his job. We’ve seen enough - there is nothing to be gained by limping on with lame duck manager.
If that means RvN as an interim, so be it. What’s the worst that could happen? Back to back humiliations at Old Trafford? Already been there with Ten Hag.
On the other hand, it’s not inconceivable that we might see a tiny new manager bounce under him. It’s not inconceivable that he might move us away from the suicidal tactics that we keep getting humiliated with under Ten Hag.
And so were the weaknesses in Spurs performances which is what I was pointing out if you bothered to read
You can do that from a position of strength and call players out. Not when you have one foot out of the door.
They're in a jam that we don't really have the money and yet we're rubbish and the only thing we really have to attract these amazing players you describe is crazy wages. Which, as we know, we're trying to get away from because we already pay too much.
Basically, Woodward and co fecked us for years to come
Where did I say that?
Why do you always jump to these straw men?
I never said anything about anyone not being a supporter of the club.
I variously described a failure to sack Ten Hag now as either incompetence or dithering. I don’t see what can be gained from it, but I can see it doing further harm.
Wasn't his shouting in Dutch supposed to whip this squad into shape?
These thin skinned feckers probably can't wait to see the back of the whole coaching set up. They probably just want Ole back so he can be their mate again
I don’t care what your justifications for that prediction were - I read them at the time and wasn’t convinced by them. And we all know how it went.
Who wants him back? There's not many first team regulars left that played under him. Bruno, Dalot, Shaw, Rashford and Maguire.
I wonder what Benni McCarthy has to say about all this?
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