soapythecat
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Well if he wasn’t, then why are we giving him shit for not doing it at United? He’s the guy who sets them up tactically to play that way, no?Was he largely responsible for it at Ajax though?
Well if he wasn’t, then why are we giving him shit for not doing it at United? He’s the guy who sets them up tactically to play that way, no?Was he largely responsible for it at Ajax though?
It's why we need to keep ten Hag for the foreseeable. This crazy mindset about managers won't change until we prove that having many years and a squad full of their own players does not turn someone into Sir Alex.Mad that some people still think this is a thing, even when the managers had 2 years and 5 windows to replace 75 odd percent of the squad with his own players.
Yes that part is true. I was responding to the second paragraph in the other post where they said "surely they agreed to change the compensation structure" or something to that effect.He is now due compensation for the extra activated year, full salary most likely, so in a way, the terms have changed.
Even if we go for a coach who is already under contract, we will have to pay a fee, whether that's Iraola, McKena etc.
Both of these fees combined make his stay a big, big and a expensive mistake.
Opta prediction after 5 rounds puts us in eighth spot again, sounds about right, maybe a bit positive.
That was my point mate, their all country is subject to inondation !They build their fortresses right in the middle of water, so that wouldn't make a difference for them:
Agree with this 100%. I thought that he was going to bring that style of play to us. I figured it would take some time as he got in the right players, but was always looking for a sign that we were starting to play differently with more of a structure and plan.One of my biggest frustrations too. His Ajax side played some really good stuff and the goals were beautiful. We’ve seen it in rare patches and the press and dominance pretty much never. Not sure why he’s not done this at United, or even tried. Especially given most of this team is his now.
Yes, it is terrible we are thinking of 8th as fair prognosis and not surprising. Unbelievable how we have lowered out expectations and standards.The sad part is I'm not surprised anymore if we finished 8th again. Before last season, this was absolutely not acceptable at all. Failed to get top 4 managers were sacked previously.
Nowadays our standards have lowered. It will be aong season again unless Ineos Team take swift action. As things stand, they are worse than Woodward and Murtough in term of football.
With you on that. The switch on here was incredible to behold. Big Sam or any other manager could have pulled out that one-off performance, so not sure how on evidence of 2 full seasons, people convinced themselves of future success with this manager.I made that exact point multiple times at the end of last season and there was still a sizeable amount of people on here who were willing to brush it under the carpet because we beat City in a one-off game. I've never seen anything like it before.
What?! We didn't offer him a new contract, did we?Imagine how much worse it would've been if he had agreed to the new contract that was offered (rather than the club activating his one-year extension).
His Ajax side played some shit football as well and he struggled in his final season although they won the championship. Which is easier in the Eredivisie when you have such a strong group of players he had that year. A lot of people said this from the start. The champions league season was a really remarkable group of players and it all clicked.One of my biggest frustrations too. His Ajax side played some really good stuff and the goals were beautiful. We’ve seen it in rare patches and the press and dominance pretty much never. Not sure why he’s not done this at United, or even tried. Especially given most of this team is his now.
Opta prediction after 5 rounds puts us in eighth spot again, sounds about right, maybe a bit positive.
I think a big part of this is due to the captain and other senior players like Rashford.I think a big part of the problem is how cheaply we give away the ball. This of course allows the opposition to pressure us or control the game, so we either can't do anything or are under pressure
Why is the passing so abysmal? What do they DO in training?
We can't score, so we can't make up for the defensive frailties, it's just a complete and utter shit show.
I'd love to know our passing completion rates and where they stand in the league
Mentality is a huge problem still, the opposition score and we fold like a deck of cards, Sunday was especially disgusting, they scored early and its like multiple players just completely gave up despite having a whole game remaining. Embarrassing. It doesn't help he keeps playing under performing players, so there's no accountability they just get picked no matter what.
I had hope when he was appointed, thought we'd finally got the right one. Back to square one and it'll set us further back the longer we draw this out.
Opta prediction after 5 rounds puts us in eighth spot again, sounds about right, maybe a bit positive.
Not saying this isn't true, but how much of Ajax have you seen? How do we know that they were quite ok tactically and just dominant because the squad was just so much better than the competition?One of my biggest frustrations too. His Ajax side played some really good stuff and the goals were beautiful. We’ve seen it in rare patches and the press and dominance pretty much never. Not sure why he’s not done this at United, or even tried. Especially given most of this team is his now.
It was the predictions after last GW. It would look different now with us getting smashed by Spurs and Rodri now being out for the season.How is this stuff actually predicted? For example they have City 10 points clear of Arsenal which feels...off.
It was the predictions after last GW. It would look different now with us getting smashed by Spurs and Rodri now being out for the season.
I would think we're down at bottom half and the gap between City, Arsenal and City would be smaller based on the last weeks events.
His Ajax side played some shit football as well and he struggled in his final season although they won the championship. Which is easier in the Eredivisie when you have such a strong group of players he had that year. A lot of people said this from the start. The champions league season was a really remarkable group of players and it all clicked.
I think it should be pretty obvious by now that implementing a strat/style philosophy at Ajax in the Eredivisie is not directly translatable/transferable to a big "chasing" club in the PL. Being the powerhouse in the Eredivisie and being lucky with getting the best generation in ages through the academy makes it easier to succeed. The squad he had at his disposal there was just ridiculous compared to the rest of the league, but would still struggle get top 8 in the PL. That's his problem and it seems it is his only recipe.Not saying this isn't true, but how much of Ajax have you seen? How do we know that they were quite ok tactically and just dominant because the squad was just so much better than the competition?
I find it hard to believe that he was able to coach Ajax and then came up with this shit. Maybe he isn't that good at coaching, or maybe he wasn't even responsible for that in the first place. We did replace the whole coaching squad this summer and we DO see a shift in tactics, that would imply Eric is maybe not really steering this as we've imagined?
He’s had the most backing out of any manager post Fergie. He’s the one guy who can’t say ‘if only they’d listened to me…’Apparently he is blaming 'financial restrictions ' on Uniteds predicament ! How much did he spunk on Antony?
It's why we need to keep ten Hag for the foreseeable. This crazy mindset about managers won't change until we prove that having many years and a squad full of their own players does not turn someone into Sir Alex.
Sack him now and we'll be hearing the same about the next guy regardless of how poor he is. It will always be "the players got him sacked" even though the majority of the managers post Fergie have had a terrible record with their transfers, but getting them more of their men is supposed to change things for the better.
All the players bought by José that he needed to make his own squad were immediately a problem for Ole, so he needed his own players. Then, all the players bought for him immediately became a problem for ten Hag, so he needed his own players. Now, he's being let down by all the players who were here before him as our best performing players are all of his signings of course, so we need to keep rewarding him with his own players because if we sack him now, all of his signings that have been great business up until this Wednesday will be considered a problem by Thursday because they are not the next guys players. That's how this apparently works. It's not like we've only had one period of decent form under him that lasted a few months out of over two years solely down to a player who's been in the first team since 2016 being in world class form.
We need at least some kind of source for this kind of stuff. Otherwise you’ll set the thread off for a load of pages.Apparently he is blaming 'financial restrictions ' on Uniteds predicament ! How much did he spunk on Antony?
I'd love to see a quote on thatApparently he is blaming 'financial restrictions ' on Uniteds predicament ! How much did he spunk on Antony?
Change now has little sense. Stay with Ten Hag and sign Xabi Alonso next year.
100%What, we have to do something really, really stupid for a long time, because that's the only way we can stop being stupid?
I agree Iraola is a top coach but I feel "championship level squad" is a bit harsh, they may not have the best depth but they do have some real quality in their starting 11.Iraola is a candidate we should be talking about in my opinion. He's playing good, effective football with a borderline championship level squad.
It's why we need to keep ten Hag for the foreseeable. This crazy mindset about managers won't change until we prove that having many years and a squad full of their own players does not turn someone into Sir Alex.
Sack him now and we'll be hearing the same about the next guy regardless of how poor he is. It will always be "the players got him sacked" even though the majority of the managers post Fergie have had a terrible record with their transfers, but getting them more of their men is supposed to change things for the better.
All the players bought by José that he needed to make his own squad were immediately a problem for Ole, so he needed his own players. Then, all the players bought for him immediately became a problem for ten Hag, so he needed his own players. Now, he's being let down by all the players who were here before him as our best performing players are all of his signings of course, so we need to keep rewarding him with his own players because if we sack him now, all of his signings that have been great business up until this Wednesday will be considered a problem by Thursday because they are not the next guys players. That's how this apparently works. It's not like we've only had one period of decent form under him that lasted a few months out of over two years solely down to a player who's been in the first team since 2016 being in world class form.
How can your desire for the direction of the club be based on a constant coin flip, one off game type of strategy? That's an incredibly shortsighted and dumb approach, and I'm sure you're a relatively intelligent person. Do people get caught up in backing an opinion to such an extent that they end up dead on that hill finding it hard to admit they were wrong?Not a huge amount outside of the timing of international breaks. If he's shit now hel probably he shit vs Villa and Porto. If he's good against those two teams maybe it buys him more time.
Put it this way my view of him now is a bigger coin flip than the FA cup final that kept his job. I wouldn't complain if he's sacked tomorrow.