I don’t think they are overrated. Nobody rates them.Agree on the manager, and the squad is quite strong but our attackers are horribly overrated. No chance of top 4 when we have mid table wingers and strikers.
I don’t think they are overrated. Nobody rates them.Agree on the manager, and the squad is quite strong but our attackers are horribly overrated. No chance of top 4 when we have mid table wingers and strikers.
In the history of Man Utd managers it was seen to be.
Been saying throughout the summer that was suicide going into the new season with the same set of wingers, when everyone else and every poll showed DM, CM, and even fullback being a higher priority in peoples minds. Garnacho is ace but expecting double figures in goals from him is a big ask, same with expecting Amad to suddenly start producing, Rashy to get back to his best, or Antony to contribute anything remotely useful.Agree on the manager, and the squad is quite strong but our attackers are horribly overrated. No chance of top 4 when we have mid table wingers and strikers.
I think a big part of that was the unwillingness of the Glazers to sack and replace people. It gets expensive.
But…one was much worse than the other?Both games were done at 50th minute mark - fact
We created absolutely nothing before the game was done in both games - fact
Matters very little if they chose to stop playing at 3-0 or 5-0, both performances were utterly embarrassing.
There’s no need to rewrite history. The recent game was nothing like the 0-5, that was the ultimate piss take. The 0-3 was just us being shit at finishing coupled with some truly awful mistakes to give them 2 goals.
The overreaction on here is amazing to see. We drew a home game in the group stages of the EL…it was a dull game that we should have won but we didn’t. I couldn’t give a hoot about EL games as long as we progress, I care about league games. We need to put a run together now in the league but drawing to Twente in a boring game means jack shit.
Well let’s call 5-0 absolutely pathetic and 3-0 this year utterly embarrassing for good measure then.But…one was much worse than the other?
Been saying throughout the summer that was suicide going into the new season with the same set of wingers, when everyone else and every poll showed DM, CM, and even fullback being a higher priority in peoples minds. Garnacho is ace but expecting double figures in goals from him is a big ask, same with expecting Amad to suddenly start producing, Rashy to get back to his best, or Antony to contribute anything remotely useful.
Happy to.The changes are not marked enough to overcome the plethora of issues that are tied to the manager like an anchor.
If you're talking about being objective, then answer these questions objectively:
1. Has his in-game management improved, at all? If yes, in what way(s)?
2. Has he shown improvement in 2nd half of games' management?
3. Do you think it is finishing alone that would change our season, up 'til now, around?
4. Is he doing well with the squad at his disposal?
5. Has he outcoached any team outside of the Barnsley game?
Now if you are being objective, you'll answer these with no spin or self-serving regardless of what that concludes as.
Garnacho is quality but the rest are average yeah. I like Amad but I don't see a top class talent there. Rashford is a busted flush, we've already seen his peak.Agree on the manager, and the squad is quite strong but our attackers are horribly overrated. No chance of top 4 when we have mid table wingers and strikers.
Sorry can you rephrase this. As I read it you are saying:Because the improvement is from literally relegation worthy underlying stats, to a team that finishes 8th place on merit underlying stats. Better, but wasteful, attacking stats and the same, but improved to mid table rather than relegation form, weaknesses at the back.
You can't have it both ways. If you're going to argue these stats are important then you genuinely need us to believe that a Manchester United manager should not be sacked for delivering relegation quality performances over the course of a season according to these metrics. If you don't think they're important and the 'results' ten Hag achieved in spite of the underlying stats last season save him, then you can't complain now when people are pissed off that the results continue to be shit.
But I think you and I both know this. The simple fact is ten Hag started the season on borrowed time and had to hit the ground running. With the best will in the world he hasn't done that and unless he can string together performances and results immediately he's not going to last much longer. The bar is as low as it's ever been for a United manager, and he simply doesn't have the credit in the bank not to reach it.
Well let’s call 5-0 absolutely pathetic and 3-0 this year utterly embarrassing for good measure then.
But in the same way results are all that matter, you don’t know the final results until the seasons end.The stats don’t really matter, but the results do. The table doesn’t lie. We’ve had a relatively easy fixture list so far, with only Liverpool that should have been our only real test. As we stand today Newcastle, Brighton. Forest and Fulham are all above us. That’s a disgrace.
If you believe we won’t get out the group, let’s bet?Only winning 1/9 in our last nine games in Europe under Ten Hag absolutely means something. Why are you acting like this is a one off failure when it’s actually a damming pattern of failure?
Garnacho is quality but the rest are average yeah. I like Amad but I don't see a top class talent there. Rashford is a busted flush, we've already seen his peak.
But this simply isn’t true. This is what I don’t get. Assuming we all watch our games, this season we’ve played a lot better in general, it’s been nothing like last season.
I get the results have not matched but it seems some on here are so committed to him being shit, they can’t assess the performances of this season alone which have been a marked improvement. Read the article Sky have just done on us, the difference between this season and last season is night and day.
But no one on here is saying.
‘To be fair we look a lot better but he needs results now’
It’s always:
‘I’ve been ETH out since (insert ancient date to show deep football knowledge), then add some slur about him being a fraud, then say something about how it’s the same as last season.
He may well get sacked but it is demonstrably better from all the underlying stats than last season.
I said you should care about not winning the first game, an easy one on paper, since all that matters is getting to the KO stages.Your reply made no sense though. I said I don’t care about the EL group as long as we progress and you said I should care about the EL as it’s our best chance of the CL…so you just posted to agree with me?
Don't know if anyone else listens to the Athletic podcast but Mitten was a bit scathing of Ten Hag's performance as manager, while saying he's a decent bloke once you get to know him.
This is like saying we've gone from completely crap to slightly less crap. Which games in particular have we played a lot better in general? Newly promoted Southampton, and that took a penalty save or things could've ended very differently. First half against Palace maybe, I can't think of any others really where we have shown a clear 'marked improvement'.But this simply isn’t true. This is what I don’t get. Assuming we all watch our games, this season we’ve played a lot better in general, it’s been nothing like last season.
I get the results have not matched but it seems some on here are so committed to him being shit, they can’t assess the performances of this season alone which have been a marked improvement. Read the article Sky have just done on us, the difference between this season and last season is night and day.
But no one on here is saying.
‘To be fair we look a lot better but he needs results now’
It’s always:
‘I’ve been ETH out since (insert ancient date to show deep football knowledge), then add some slur about him being a fraud, then say something about how it’s the same as last season.
He may well get sacked but it is demonstrably better from all the underlying stats than last season.
But that is demonstrably not true from the article?Yes, it's better than the almost relegation level underlying stats from last season. Now we are simply mid table, with a fully fit squad of handpicked players and another summer of big spending. We've also had a pretty comically easy schedule to start the season, and yet still are going toe to toe with Brighton and Twente.
Just because it's an improvement over "historically bad" doesn't mean it's good enough nor should supporters have the patience/faith that it will change, not in a manager's 3rd year.
He won't. Our European form is abysmal, our PL form is abysmal. This is our PL form since the League Cup Win, his only hope was to have a positive European campaign. We have to get results in the next two PL games, failure to do so will be his end.
Games Win % W D L GF GA GD 57 49.12% 28 9 20 79 78 +1
But that is demonstrably not true from the article?
If you believe we won’t get out the group, let’s bet?
After last season in the CL, makes sense to start by setting the bar there.You realize how pathetic "getting out of the group" is as a goal for Europa league though right?
It actually shows that we've improved and that our attacking stats are top 5. Buster with the own goal..
Nope. At best it's night and later that night.But this simply isn’t true. This is what I don’t get. Assuming we all watch our games, this season we’ve played a lot better in general, it’s been nothing like last season.
I get the results have not matched but it seems some on here are so committed to him being shit, they can’t assess the performances of this season alone which have been a marked improvement. Read the article Sky have just done on us, the difference between this season and last season is night and day.
Reminder for those attempting to say people are over reacting after a few games.
There's barely even a reaction to this game, let alone an overreaction, it's just people saying the same stuff they've been saying for a year.
The stats don’t really matter, but the results do. The table doesn’t lie. We’ve had a relatively easy fixture list so far, with only Liverpool that should have been our only real test. As we stand today Newcastle, Brighton. Forest and Fulham are all above us. That’s a disgrace.
I fecking hate his press conferences. Three years in and the cheeky knobhead still has the audacity to call his team “a work in process”.
As per Berrada’s comments, he still has just under 4 years to deliver the title.I fecking hate his press conferences. Three years in and the cheeky knobhead still has the audacity to call his team “a work in process”.
The team might not be a finished product, but I bet the next manager is going to look like a right genius when he gets them to perform a lot better that what Ten Hag is doing.Well he is not wrong about that. The team clearly is not a finished product and a work in process. He is atleast partly to blame for that though, the work he is doing on the team isnt really developing as fast as we would hope.
Bet you'd be delighted if he called it "a finished product".I fecking hate his press conferences. Three years in and the cheeky knobhead still has the audacity to call his team “a work in process”.