Bruno is nothing like Eriksen. One knows how to control things and set the tempo, the other is literally always in a rush. How can you not see that? Eriksen being a back up to Bruno says how poorly managed the squad is. We simply look better with more control, control that Bruno doesn’t give us.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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I remember saying at the time what a disaster it was for us when Eriksen got injured, some didn't agree but truth is we've never been the same since. The fact that Ten Hag hasn't done anything about it in three transfer windows since says it all.
That’s not reductive. It’s a recurring theme and it’s a huge problem that’s regularly costing us points. So again - not excellent in my view.
Yes, it was a big improvement on getting battered 4-0 by Palace. But again, how far hve our standards fallen!? Because a good half where we don’t score and then a frustrating half where we don’t score and give up big chances that could have lost us the game against a currently poor and 16th placed Palace side, is still so far off where we should be. We have much tougher tests coming up and several key aspects of that game do not give me confidence that we’re going to see the requisite improvement in results.
I wonder whether some of you even watch us.
The first half performance was a lot more encouraging but it's still concerning that we weren't able to make any of the chances count. It was poor game management in the second, we lost all momentum after the subs and Palace finished the match as the stronger team.
We shouldn't still be having these issues in season three with a manager who has been backed unconditionally.
We shouldn't still be having these issues in season three with a manager who has been backed unconditionally.
The table is not conclusive after the first five games, but I never claimed it was? All I ever said was that results and points are always one of the relevant factors when assessing where we’re at. Points dropped in the first five games still count as points dropped.
Not sure if being serious or not.
This will be worth keeping if we do continue to improve.
There's always a caveat isn't there? If this, if that. The if never happens mate. Time to get real and stop living on hope.
He clearly said "if this is good enough" which would imply that if ETH started performing to the standard he's expecting, he wouldn't have any problems. I'm not sure why every post criticizing where we are currently as a club, has to used as some kind of "gotcha". It's just childish, we're all fans of the club here.
Bruno, Mount and Eriksen play nothing like each other.
As for your last couple of paragraphs about luck, it's amazing how it only seems to adversely affect average teams. The whole point of being a top team is you should be able to overcome the opposing GK having a worldie and hitting the post, and still win the game!!
The whole frustration of the fan base stems from the fact that we are still nowhere near being a top team despite spending hundreds of millions and being in the 3rd season under Ten Hag.
I think this is why many are clinging on defending the indefensible, desperate for their "I told you so" moment based on blind hope.
If we did we the league we'd all be delighted and no one would care who said what.
Yeah what it boils down to for me. Even if we were good in the first half, it’s still concerning that this was yet another of these games where we somehow managed to upend its flow by making subs that we could have easily predicted were going to do just that.
I am usually not a fan of these tacticos but for eth to succeed he has to stick with what was produced for the first 45 mins. Results will follow.
He said 'whatever happens he'll deserve it'. I just thought it would be quite funny if we did succeed and get back on top. Calm down. We're allowed have fun here.
A loss to Spurs would make Villa a must-win for ETH in my opinion. Lose both and I could see that being his end unfortunately.
It kind of reminds me of how we were in awe with the first 30 minutes against Spurs last year, or first half against Wolves. I’d be inclined to wait a bit before getting too excited. Palace have been quite bad this season.
We can lose both and he will be in no danger. He’s already done enough in between international breaks to feel safe.
I’m still not sure how you you missed the actual point so badly in that whole back and forth. Because the point wasn’t about the table, even though it was referenced.
The point was that based on our seasons so far, expecting us to beat Spurs didn’t seem that well founded. That the game could go either way, because it’s hard to be confident in either team’s results given what they’ve shown so far this season.
He can be whatever he wants tactically but it’ll mean feck all of he can’t motivate footballers to execute his tactics.
Yesterday proved once and for all that he isn’t capable of the levels of man management needed for a job of this size.
He doesn’t understand his players and what makes them tick. All the fancy formations and instructions in the world can’t cover for that inability.
Wrong. Luck does not affect just average teams. Citu, Madrid, and Liverpool are all losing some games they dominate in but dont have luck. It happens to everybody. The difference us - they dont have shitty games and we do
Of the 5 games we played only yesterday we were inlucky in, in other games we were just shitty
Spurs and villa might be the end for ETH we shall see.
I don't have alot of faith is us getting a positive result out of either game, but you never know and I really hope I'm wrong and am surprised, but I can't see it.
Spurs at home might be ok, spurs don't have a great record at Old Trafford, but I think Villa away will be a horrible experience for us all.
I don't have alot of faith is us getting a positive result out of either game, but you never know and I really hope I'm wrong and am surprised, but I can't see it.
Spurs at home might be ok, spurs don't have a great record at Old Trafford, but I think Villa away will be a horrible experience for us all.
Of course our standards have fallen, we've spent over a decade in the wilderness due to mismanagement and a complete lack of any foresight.
We're far off where we should be, but it's undeniably an improvement that we were so dominant against a team that battered us at the end of last season. Can we keep that rate of improvement up? That remains to be seen.
Why would it be unfortunate? Losses to both would mean consecutive seasons of failure.
My mistake - Chelsea’s got a 100% away record. Ugh.
There’s no unfortunately about it, if we do indeed lose another two games this early in the season.
Unbelievable records being set by Erik every season.
It is not about getting excited but if we continue to stick to the performance like in the last 3 games then results will follow. This is not to say we are some world-class side but I did see some encouraging signs. Of course it could all lead to nothing if we resort to same old like last season.
Based on xG created and big chances created, it’s hard to argue Ten Hag is doing badly.
Just to be clear, overall, our results have not improved so far this season. We’re currently on a lower average points per game ratio than last season, despite having a fairly generous start to the season.
Yes, our performances and play have improved in some aspects. I am incredibly sceptical the improvements will result in the dramatically improved results we need for Ten Hag to stay in position. I think he has too many flaws and we’ll still end up too far off the pace under him.
Should be looking for 2 wins at home against Tottenham and Brentford and a draw away to Villa. 14 from 8 games would be something to work with. Considering we would have had tough games away to Villa, Brighton, Palace and Liverpool at home it would be acceptable once we kick on from it.
2 losses in the next 3 and he would rightly be looking at the door.
2 losses in the next 3 and he would rightly be looking at the door.
Based on goals scored, matches won and points gained, it’s hard to argue Ten Hag is doing well.
Which of those metrics are ultimately more important in football?
And back in the real world, based on results, league position, goal difference & point tally…he’s doing very badly.
This 45 minutes against palace in a 0-0 draw is going to be the new 45 minute against spurs isn’t it? Just the latest desperate reach for the ETH crowd to cling onto. We played well for a half, in a match we didn’t even win, against a winless, 16th placed Palace team. This must mean, after two & a half years, ETH is finally onto something.
I often wonder about Ten Hag's motivational skills and his standards being low, as I don't feel like we ever see much of a reaction to poor performances on the pitch. Most top teams hate losing and go into the next game with a level of fire to win that we do not have in our next match after a drab performance or loss. The fact that we have people rating yesterday's performance and result is testament to our severe drop in standards. I feel like I am on a Palace forum at times with the way people here seem content with Ten Hag's tenure, I can't see how anyone can have even an ounce of excitement for our future under Ten Hag as he has not shown us anything to be excited about.
It's not good when you're looking at games against Spurs and villa and hoping to get draws from them. Our squad is easily as good if not better than both, yet the uncertainty over how we will play says so much about our lack of identity these days. To his credit, we are more of a blank slate and our squad could be adaptable to a new manager.
Also, we had 500m worth of players on our bench, and Palace sold their best player from last year.
You did not just quote a Sarni special and say thats what you meant
Flawless
His posts make out that everything is amazing. I remember him saying Evan Ferguson was 'Haaland and Rooney rolled into one'.
We're talking about scoring goals here. Don't be blinded by the anomalous 7 goals we scored against a league one side. We've scored 5 goals in the PL, the same as the bottom two. The old and the new structure has nothing to do with that. It's down to training, tactics, and performance on the pitch. Not what someone is doing in the backroom. He has the players. This is his squad now. Well, until he's sacked which will be sooner rather than later if we keep up our current form in the PL.
xG should have higher correlation with where we will end than the current table.
I saw lots of positives yesterday, the first 60 mins were the best we have played in EPL probably in over 18 months. It was concerning that we weren’t able to score (and to be fair, Palace could have scored twice), but if we are able to replicate how we played yesterday for the first 60 mins, then there is no doubt in my mind that the results will follow. The issue though is that it might have well been an one off, and that not every team is as shit as Palace.
We should know in the next 5 matches how the season will go. I do not have a good feeling about it (I do not rate EtH at all), but if we play like yesterday in the next 5 matches, it means things are improving considerably.
That's what over a decade of zero expectations, and hero worshipping managers who couldn't even have us competing for a major trophy will get you. This club's fans have bizarre expectations for our managers.
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