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They didnt want to make the difficult but right choice and dirty their hands in the summer.
They were hoping to do it once fans turn on Ten Hag, or if Ten Hag does well, to avoid it.
Now that we are in the first scenario, and we have to replace him, I hope they get someone good like Tuchel. And not give him full transfer control or something, that would be 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
They were hoping to do it once fans turn on Ten Hag, or if Ten Hag does well, to avoid it.
Now that we are in the first scenario, and we have to replace him, I hope they get someone good like Tuchel. And not give him full transfer control or something, that would be 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
The source was the German newspaper BILD but its also being reported by TalkSport this afternoon
I think at this point the one's still defending him won't change their mind regardless of what happens. We could lose the next 3 games in a row, and I'm sure they would find another excuse. 'Injuries', 'luck', 'only 6 games into the season', 'he needs more time', 'good signs (winning 1-0 after a scrappy game vs a relegation side) ' etc. The fact that we're still even debating whether we are capable of making top fecking 4 this year after half a billion spent and 3 seasons in charge is very alarming. How is this being accepted by anyone? The manager himself had the audacity to say that we need more investment to compete for top 4 after 2 seasons in charge and 400 odd million being spent. It's ridiculous.
When he came in, I'm pretty sure everyone would agree with that kind of time and money spent over 3 seasons, we should absolutely be in the title race or at least competitive in our third season yet here we are still possibly competing for top 4? I just don't get how this is not seen as a total and utter failure. We literally look worse than after his first couple of months in charge.
Please, someone pinch me. I must be dreaming.
When he came in, I'm pretty sure everyone would agree with that kind of time and money spent over 3 seasons, we should absolutely be in the title race or at least competitive in our third season yet here we are still possibly competing for top 4? I just don't get how this is not seen as a total and utter failure. We literally look worse than after his first couple of months in charge.
Please, someone pinch me. I must be dreaming.
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Bild is the worst toilet paper, worse than even the English "newspapers". Despicable publication, truly the lowest of the low.
I seriously doubt that Norman Bates, sorry, Tuchel, would out of a sudden want control over transfers when that is the one thing he didn't want to be bothered with in previous appointments.
I understand his urgent desire for total control (all psychopaths long for that) but he might not want to get involved in that mess. Thankfully we have people for that now.
I thought Bild Sport was pretty OK.
Also, what's this Norman Bates/psychopath stuff all about?
Where we are by the next international break will decide things I reckon.
Whatever about the Europa games, our league games are horrible on paper (and probably will be in reality lets be honest) and can see us struggling for points in pretty much all of them.
Whatever about the Europa games, our league games are horrible on paper (and probably will be in reality lets be honest) and can see us struggling for points in pretty much all of them.
Im at the stage really where I don't care for the difficulty of the fixtures. He's out if he's not finally showing progression.
Our league games are horrible on paper? From now until we play Arsenal away at the start of December, the three hardest fixtures on paper are Spurs and Chelsea at home, and Villa away.
It's about as kind as you can get.
If we're really looking at Palace and West Ham away, Brentford at home, or any of the games against the newly promoted sides as "horrible", then we're really in the shit.
Southampton, Palace, Spurs, Villa, Brentford, West Ham are the next 6 league games.
18 points for grabs, you'd be happy with 15 points. That brings us to the end of October then we have Chelsea at home first game of November.
Those 7 games are winnable.
Southampton should be a convincing win, not a lucky 1 goal win. Palace will be harder but again you'd expect 3 points. Spurs, haven't been that great against them last few games. It's my first game at OT this season so please do them with style for me! ha. Villa haven't started great either - could go any way. Brentford should be a win and West Ham is away - I think that will cause United the most trouble. Chelsea - whoever is less shite on the day.
Ten Hag and the team have a chance to get a nice number of points with these 7 games.
18 points for grabs, you'd be happy with 15 points. That brings us to the end of October then we have Chelsea at home first game of November.
Those 7 games are winnable.
Southampton should be a convincing win, not a lucky 1 goal win. Palace will be harder but again you'd expect 3 points. Spurs, haven't been that great against them last few games. It's my first game at OT this season so please do them with style for me! ha. Villa haven't started great either - could go any way. Brentford should be a win and West Ham is away - I think that will cause United the most trouble. Chelsea - whoever is less shite on the day.
Ten Hag and the team have a chance to get a nice number of points with these 7 games.
You're incredibly optimistic. Based on current form, Southampton and Brentford may be the only wins here. Even then we'll make tough work of those two.
Yeah I think there's a case to be made for that. It definitely seems like a section of the fan base have backed him more than any of his predecessors.
We're not getting 15 points out of that for sure. But yeah the fixtures are turning and it's the time to put together a run. Mostly healthy squad, no complaints about lack of match fitness or hangover from the pre-season. The trickier fixtures are also at home (Spurs, Brentford, Chelsea). I expect very little from top half away games, so West Ham, Villa are probably draws / losses. Home form will also not be perfect and we'll drop several points.
Except it won't be one, it will be two and given how Ten Hag was a well researched and unanimous candidate yet still shat the bed, what guarantee does the club have that the guy we get after sacrificing another season on Ten Hag will be the right one? There is no such guarantee, even Klopp wasn't a hit in his first two campaigns but he progressively proved himself and earned the status he now has.
Ten Hag is damaged goods and we are giving him the benefit of the doubt of someone who has delivered a PL or CL title. That's our undoing, we are forgetting that he had never coached outside the Netherlands and there was a high probability that he would fail to step up, which he now has, and the only logical decision now is to sack him and stop the bleeding.
What to do for the permanent manager is something for Ashworth, Berrada and Wilcox to work out. They could go with Tuchel, if he fecks up then fire him and by that time a few more candidates would have emerged for them to consider.
We shouldn't approach every managerial hire with the expectation of building a dynasty and thus back him blindly whilst ignoring the failings. Every hire is us giving someone a chance to show us that they can build something and the first port of call is to deliver tangibles with the expensively assembled side we have whilst major repair work is done in the background.
A 3rd season title challenge seemed to be the benchmark amongst most fans for every manager post SAF. It was even said by many when we hired Ten Hag, that seems to have been forgotten about though.
We have a settled defence and good depth in that area now. Hopefully a fit Ugarte is a huge upgrade over Casemiro. Rasmus can't be that far off.
No more excuses for absurd tactics from ETH now. The players are good enough to play some very attractive football and INEOS have backed him big time.
On a broader note, we play some football like we used to. Dynamic wingers, a solid yet creative midfield and a proper goal scoring number 9. Not sure why, but this tiki taka type of football really bugs me and that's maybe a reason why I enjoyed parts of what Ole and Jose played, rather than the dross LVG and ETH are serving up.
No more excuses for absurd tactics from ETH now. The players are good enough to play some very attractive football and INEOS have backed him big time.
On a broader note, we play some football like we used to. Dynamic wingers, a solid yet creative midfield and a proper goal scoring number 9. Not sure why, but this tiki taka type of football really bugs me and that's maybe a reason why I enjoyed parts of what Ole and Jose played, rather than the dross LVG and ETH are serving up.
But at the end of the day we aren't good enough. Keane had it right, we really are the new Spurs.
We flounder around 4th-6th for years on end and seem like we are challenging the top 4 to only flounder at the end. It's a long road back but we need to accept we aren't good enough. Sure I want us to be back to the top and see us challenging year on year, but we simply aren't consistently good enough yet.
We're the top end of Average and we need to accept that, it's been a decade now and we've only looked like challenging for the title TWICE. Finishing 2nd under Ole and Mourinho, I'd argue 2020/2021 under Ole was the only real chance we had at wininng that league, finishing 12 points behind City. That year if I remember correctly we had a period where we were challening only for us to go on a crap run and ultimately end up 2nd.
Not once have we shown progression, it's a constant Yo-yo.
Even if we get a top top manager in, it will be YEARS before we start challenging again. Look at Arteta it took him about 5 years to get to where he is at now, Klopp took 4 years to win the league but there was progression shown with each manager.
We are at the top end of average and we need to accept that as fans. While obviously striving to want more of what this club deserves but we just aren't good enough.
I'd say 2 of those games are winnable.
Spurs are good
Villa are very good
We've lost and struggled against Brentford as of late
Chelsea are starting to play well
We could easily lose to West Ham too
I am not confident at all with winning all 7 games.
You people act like top level footballers are so thick that they can only play one way and now are onto a narrative that we have to hire a Ten Hag 2.0 for progression forgetting that the reason we had to make a change at each juncture was failure. So why persist with a failing model?
LvG to Mourinho was bonkers and that's the only appointment we messed up. But when you look at the scheme of things both Mourinho and Ole did deliver, they weren't disastrous hires because Jose won trophies, finished second and Ole had consecutive top 3 finishes and a European Final. Both failed to make the required step up and were then rightly sacked.
Players like De Ligt have played under ETH, Tuchel and whoever they had at Juventus and succeeded. Martinez is winning major titles with Argentina without ETH etc. So we can easily move on from ETH as we did from Moyes and Van Gaal. In fact it's only the transition to this snakes oil salesman that has been protracted.
I actually think this is optimistic.
Yup, the team has been giving more than enough time to some managers to the point it becomes a detriment and it also happens with the players who are not good enough and still receive better contracts. Sadly the time to sack ETH was at the end of last season (although personally feel he should had been sacked way before summer). Right now would be too soon as it's only been 3 games and there are fewer options for a new manager. In that sense he should be safe but everytime Manchester United loses the pressure will keep building up so it was a really bad idea to keep him on the job.
If the new structure/direction is that the management team will manage recruitment and the manager will not have control of transfers, and Tuchel wants control of transfers with that (as rumoured) being the reason that he turned us down, then no, Ratcliffe should not go back cap in hand. If Tuchel doesn't want to work under our structure then he is not the manager for us.
Many a top manager work under the structure that INEOS are setting up. Its not like our setup is that the manager has 0 say in transfers, its that he doesn't have full control of transfers. Many (I'd say the majority) of managers work under that structure. So there should be no need to cave to a Tuchel. If anything it gives me more confidence in INEOS that they didn't cave to Tuchel wanting full control (if that is actually what he wanted). They made a decision that last season was an exception and decided to give Ten Hag another season. Despite the start, if they are truly giving him a chance then you don't sack him after 3 games. Lets see where we are come October/November.
There's not a chance we're getting 15 points from 6 games.
We've only taken 22 from the last 17.
Have you not noticed?
Wish a reporter would ask ETH why having the second most trophies in the last two years didn't translate to more than 22 fecking points from 17 games.
If we took rolling 17 game periods, is this the worst points record in our history?
Now we are talking shades of gray. You expect 4th - 6th, I expect 4th, minimum ( hopefully 75pts, but if not okay). Also. Stop calling me delusional. That’s just a shitty cop out to deal with someone who has a different opinion.
I have a different opinion from you. Minimum CL places. Especially after 600m! Most of whom are Dutch or former Ajax players that he signed off on. This is fecking top level football. You deliver or you are fecking gone. It’s that simple. No more excuses.
This is relegation form..
34 points 34 games if we extrapolate
This thread = Edge Of Tomorrow
Except there’s no fixing this.
Except there’s no fixing this.
Worst thing is we were lucky to get that.
Last season was a disaster and even in that nightmare we were what? Eight points behind top four and given how we threw a few winning positions away and ended up losing games we should have won it seems fairly safe to assume that a more competent manager would have us safely finishing in the top 4.
Imagine we were losing to the likes of Palace and Fulham at home, drawing Burnley etc, it's not that difficult we were just poorly coached and wasted 100m on players (Mount and Onana) that didn't add anything at all. The gap towards top four shows that a better in game manager would have won us more points. A better transfer strategy would have given that manager more useful tools. The reason we aren't in the top four is self sabotage, not competitiveness.
Its amazing how gullible United fans are to utter nonsense.
We must have a huge reputation for reacting to just about anything United and ETH, is it any wonder everyone just sprouts rubbish knowing we will bite every time.
Goldbridge makes a good living throwing this stuff out there knowing he will get a ton of clicks from silly headlines.
We must have a huge reputation for reacting to just about anything United and ETH, is it any wonder everyone just sprouts rubbish knowing we will bite every time.
Goldbridge makes a good living throwing this stuff out there knowing he will get a ton of clicks from silly headlines.
The fact that so many United fans don’t realise just how bad we’ve been is honestly incredible.
Our form over the past 15 games or so from the back end of last season through the start of this has us in the relegation zone. Our goal difference over the same amount of time that the likes of City & Arsenal have amassed in the region of +70/80, is -1.
The stats and data showing us how bad we’ve been (if just watching us isn’t enough) is all out there. Most of it has been posted in this thread, and yet, we still have people defending this clown and demanding he’s given more time. It’s absolutely bonkers.
An understatement!
We would indeed be happy with that. Very.
The difference between 4th and 5th is fairly black and white, so no, we're not "talking shades of gray" and yes you are coming across as delusional because you've based your expectations on superficial transfer expenditure.
I had this back and forth earlier with someone else. You simply cannot hold the view that Antony is nowhere near an £80 million player, Casemiro no longer comes close to being worth £60 million, Onana was never a £45 million player, and that we've overspent on the likes of Mount and Hojlund, and then point to our transfer expenditure as if it holds any meaning.
You're also completely ignoring that we've effectively changed owners since then. I don't know how many times I have to make it clear to you that this isn't even about Ten Hag for me. We could sack him now and I would still expect us to be in a fight for top four, simply because our squad isn't very good.
I wish people would stop posting this. It's not true at all. We've been bad, and below the standards we should have been reaching, but even then we've been mid-table.
I counted it out the other day. Literally only City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Chelsea and Newcastle have more points than us over the past 19 Premier League games. We managed more than Spurs in that timeframe.
We are literally 15th in the table when you take our last 15 games. That's not mid-table
It's not the relegation zone either.
We've been poor, but we've still not managed to be that bad (yet).
So being just outside of the relegation zone over our last 15 games isn't that bad? It's almost half a season worth of games
I swear we could avoid relegation by a single point and some would be saying ETH did well to avoid it.So being just outside of the relegation zone over our last 15 games isn't that bad? It's almost half a season worth of games
And if you actually extend to half a season's worth of games, we're in the top seven.
Almost like it's a bit of a pointless metric.
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