That sort of naivety will kill us. I get it, he wants us to play our game regardless, but we’re not yet at the level where we can go to these grounds and dictate proceedings. Even under Ferguson/when we were dominant we used to take a more conservative approach in these games.
I hope Ten Hag realises that soon.
If you were in ETHs position this morning what would you be thinking? What actions would you be taking?
Yeah agree with that, but they could have still scored more too! We were mauled in that second halfIt totally flattered them. Most of the goals were an absolute comedy roadshow, and it's not like they had loads of other near misses, great saves by De Gea and the like.
It was one of those score every chance type jobs.
Obviously, saying that doesn't change it but it's a big worry if you are a team that has form for capitulating or for consistently giving away goals in the early stage of halves. I seem to recall conceding after half time on several occasions this season.Saying something should not be happening, when it was already previously happening doesn't change a thing, its something the manager needs to address but it won't happen overnight, it will come.
Main thing to me is big games away from home against rivals, we need to be a lot better.
100%For all the moaning about squad depth, you have to remember that we were denied the opportunity to add significantly to the squad in January while only being given loan signings. While ETH has done wonders with what he has , there must be some difficult conversations had about yesterday. I would expect that a good chunk of the ire and frustration that we feel today is directed at the owners and board for ignoring the manager's needs and not strengthening the squad properly to see out the rest of the season in light of the club's expectations.
It's a lot more than 3pts, football is more than simple points. It's about the possible effect of this result in future games, it's about pride and self esteem. There is something fundamentally wrong with losing 7-0 against your biggest rival.
Even during our prime under Ferguson, can you name 1-2 matches where we were the better team at Anfield?. Granted I have been watching since 1998, but I don't recollect such instances if any.
Yeah, Wout is his Fellaini/Lingard/McTominay. Every manager, not just ours, has one player who always/often plays but we (fans) don't know why is that.He went all Pep mode in a big CL game. Overthinking.
Couldn't believe we set up the way we did. Weghorst is clouding his judgement.
It totally flattered them. Most of the goals were an absolute comedy roadshow, and it's not like they had loads of other near misses, great saves by De Gea and the like.
It was one of those score every chance type jobs.
So did we have a great team when we beat them under LvG?Yeah we didn't. But that's why if we go toe to toe at Anfield it would mean we have a great team.
Liverpool lost to Villa 2-7 just more than 2 years ago. So Klopp was never going to be at Dean Smith's level?That result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
That result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
That result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
That result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
Klopp has lost 5-0 and 4-0 to Guardiola's City but still has a lifetime record of 12-5-10 against Pep. Ten Hag has beaten them both at home and lost to both away. He may never get to that level but nothing about his start suggests he can't competeThat result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
A Klopp team let in 7 goals against Aston Villa two seasons ago.
This. I remember Fergie losing 6-1 to City as well.
What we need to do is learn from this, it was a freak result in my eyes. How many teams score 7 from 8 shots on target.
Lets review this in 2 weeks after we have played a few more games.
I don't think he'll go with the iron fist approach
Yep not much difference between letting in 6 or 7. Horrific performances obviously but an unlucky deflection or a bad bounce can make it 7 instead of 6, or save you from letting in a 7th. Doesn't really change what the manager has achieved in the majority of their other games.
The first half was even at best though. Not even the most deluded Scouser would have seen that coming.
We've had much earlier onslaughts before. I was in the Arsenal end at the Emirates one year when we were 3-0 down after about 15mins. That could have ended at anything, but eased down luckily.
People worry far too much about those 7 goals. I think they're confusing their own social embarrassment with what this means for United - which isn't too much.Yep not much difference between letting in 6 or 7. Horrific performances obviously but an unlucky deflection or a bad bounce can make it 7 instead of 6, or save you from letting in a 7th. Doesn't really change what the manager has achieved in the majority of their other games.
Casemiro, varane, Martinez no less, you’d think these 3 could fight and steady the ship a bit more.I can’t get my head around the fact that this group of players conceded 6 goals in 45 mins
That's a sack worthy performance in any normal season tbh.
But in his defence this isn't a normal season at all. We've played 21 games in 2 months because FIFA and Qatar are as bent as a nine bob note. We also won a trophy last week.
This can't be repeated though. Any United team can lose at City and Liverpool but we shouldn't be getting battered by them. He needs to realise this isn't the Dutch League. We can't go everywhere and play so openly.
Me too, so surreal. I thought we were already past the moment in which our players would just give up, especially to our greatest rival. Hurts as feck.I can’t get my head around the fact that this group of players conceded 6 goals in 45 mins
Come on now...four fullbacks!? The likes of Shaw and Martinez, and even Varane and Casemiro and DDG...their heads were gone at that point. You think they were about to put in a shift then and cling on for a 3-0 loss? This wasn't a cup tie.He pretty much blamed the players and seems to taken no responsibility for this. Got Mourinho vibes from it. But he should really be looking in the mirror when he's down 2-0 and insists on Rashford at CF, Bruno at LW and Weghorst at 10. Was very clear after 3-0 he should have seen it wasn't our day and closed up shop and went defensive with something like
--------------------Rashford
--------------------Sabitzer
Shaw--Casemiro-McTominay-Dalot
Malacia--Martinez-Varane---AWB
So did we have a great team when we beat them under LvG?
Let’s just win at Anfield first, or just score a goal there again before we start talking about unnecessary going toe to toe at Anfield.
That result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
Absolute reactionary nonsense.That result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
That result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
That result has made reality hit that he is not going to be pep/klopp levels of managerial ability
Might be the most bizarre 45 minutes of football I have ever watched honestly.I can’t get my head around the fact that this group of players conceded 6 goals in 45 mins
Nonsense. Klopp went to City early in his tenure and got smashed 5/0. I remember a dominant powerful Bayern side under Pep getting humiliated 4/0 at home to Real. These managers played their game and continued to do so afterwards. Our own Fergie played the best team of its era in a CL final with a pro active approach even if it meant a midfield of Carrick, Park, Valencia and Giggs. It was 3/1 but was probably one of the most one sided batterings we ever had, more so than the 6/1 to City. Top pro active managers get so much out of their teams but in exchange, they do have these freakish days when out of miscalculation or misfortune, everything that can go bad, does go bad on the day. It hurts that for us it happened at the worst ground possible against the worst opponent possible and the scoreline was really freakish with 7 goals out of 8 shots but it's no different than the aforementioned examples when it's just a horrible, horrible day at the office.That sort of naivety will kill us. I get it, he wants us to play our game regardless, but we’re not yet at the level where we can go to these grounds and dictate proceedings. Even under Ferguson/when we were dominant we used to take a more conservative approach in these games.
I hope Ten Hag realises that soon.
