Can't believe there are people in here who think he should go - unless they're wind up posts and I'm being gullible as feck.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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People posting who haven't regularly posted on here for years which I'm willing to bet means rival fan sleeper accounts they remembered they had. I refuse to believe people are that thick.
I was travelling over the weekend, so I totally missed this game.
But jeeze the reactionary comments on here, surely these posts are parodies.
I don't even have to watch the game to understand it is most likely due to fatigue, we've been playing 2 games a week since the world cup.
But jeeze the reactionary comments on here, surely these posts are parodies.
I don't even have to watch the game to understand it is most likely due to fatigue, we've been playing 2 games a week since the world cup.
The way we’re run is not going to change while the Glazers are here. We have to make do till they leave
This is how I feel. We're coming off of a season where we finished in the EL spots, we lost our top goalscorer from last season because he turned to liquid shit and didn't replace him, our most technical midfielder is injured until May/June.
Memories seem to be short around here, at least for the vocal minority that are acting like nothing has improved. We were terrible last season, arguably the worst we've ever been because it came after a decade of dross. This place became depressing because of it. As recently as last week we were ecstatic because of how far we've come and the future looks positive.
There's already a lot to celebrate this season. Liverpool absolutely demolished us, but it was their cup final. We had ours the other week and won.
We're four points ahead of Spurs in third place with a game still in hand. Let's wait and see what the response is from the players after this embarrassment. For reference; look at how they responded to the embarrassment at the start of the season.
I agree. Can't just sign players from the Eredivisie or formerly. We didn't get Gakpo so took Weghorts on loan. This did not work for Van Gaal and probably won't for Eth. We need to support him proper with scouting and transfers
I mentioned yesterday about the sense of invincibility in the squad. I also think that applies to ETH. Recently everything he had done has come up roses. Well yesterday it went very wrong. A massive reality check for everybody including the fans. I think the manager is confident enough for it not to know his confidence too much, but he has to realise he also made mistakes yesterday and we now know that the squad is limited. Garnacho needs to be dealt with carefully, he is 18. Sancho is being babysat into the team. Antony has a lot to learn and is getting a few harsh lessons that hopefully he can learn from. Like a lot I think the two big mistakes was Bruno out left and Dalot who has looked poor since he has come back. It also highlights the big need for a striker who is a threat, not someone who is just a link up man. We have been playing a lot of intense games recently with a relatively small in experience, quality squad. It was bound to take it's toll at some point. Now we have to get over it quickly.
One of yesterdays obvious highlights was that we need a world class forward. We miss a presence up front.
A player like Osimhen or Kane changes that game before it starts as the opposition have to plan for him tactically.
Instead we have Wout and Rashford, they are a bit predictable therefore easier to plan for, not so much of a headache for opposition coaches.
Bruno is another massive dilemma now for the manager - he was beyond any sort of mitigation yesterday. When the shit hits the fan we need the captain to step up,he did the opposite.
I will be watching that situation - not that Bruno deserves to be executed for one bad day but his display yesterday was another level of concern
Over to ETH now to see if he can salvage anythnig out of that wreckage
A player like Osimhen or Kane changes that game before it starts as the opposition have to plan for him tactically.
Instead we have Wout and Rashford, they are a bit predictable therefore easier to plan for, not so much of a headache for opposition coaches.
Bruno is another massive dilemma now for the manager - he was beyond any sort of mitigation yesterday. When the shit hits the fan we need the captain to step up,he did the opposite.
I will be watching that situation - not that Bruno deserves to be executed for one bad day but his display yesterday was another level of concern
Over to ETH now to see if he can salvage anythnig out of that wreckage
I am still p*ssed with Andy Carroll for that tackle.
I agree with part of this and actually think we did what you said in terms of keeping it tight in the first half and trying to pick and choose when we pressed high for example. I just think we got a tad sloppy for the first goal and then came out the second half too loose trying to come back (which is exactly what we've done vs newcastle, west ham, leicester , Barca x2). Then when you add in fatigue and then anfield swallowing the players up, emotions etc, it ended up how it ended up.
Its a learning process though. Not in terms of learning how not to get beat 7 0! But where this team is, its not at a stage where it can go to Anfield after a grueling schedule and open up, it may never get there, maybe it will. But so far Ten Hag has shown that with these defeats he learns from them and thats what I expect to see.
In a sea of crazy posts, congratulations for earning the prestigious 'Quality Control'
What wrong with some questioning the manager? He is the one who is in charge you know, who has overseen this 7-0 utter humiliation, he’s the one who keeps playing weghorst at 10 and played Bruno in the left, he’s the one who decided to throw 90m at a bang average hopeless winger. That’s all on him. So now, you can’t even criticise the manager no matter what?
Did we play expansive football yesterday though? To me it appeared to be just a team making an obscene amount of mistakes in one half as were mentally and emotionally all over the place.
It is something he will learn. When SAF was manager, most games, we were under the cosh for majority of game, so it was all hands on deck, then we'd nick it with a goal. At times you have to just go against your beliefs to get a result.
No, you can't criticise the manager. That would be fecking stupid.
Clear and obvious wum. Imagine being bad at something so useless
He is brilliant.
He also deserves every drop of criticism today and I think he would probably fully agree with most of it.
Both things can be true.
He also deserves every drop of criticism today and I think he would probably fully agree with most of it.
Both things can be true.
There is nothing wrong with questioning his decisions yesterday. It is the spoilt brats who think he should get sacked. Idiots. He has given us some great times this season with possibly even more to come.
This is factually incorrect. 7-0 Liverpool, 6-3 (2 after City stopped trying to play ball), 4-0 vs Brentford. Can probably add 3-1 vs Aston Villa considering how they are this season, but the 3 results Ive mentioned are good old fashioned batterings.
This isnt a comment thats inviting a "what about" response. These are results we have had this season. That information is factual.
Ten Hag deserves credit for making the team tick, win games and look good doing so. We are having a good season. That is factual.
Playing Wout as a starter only to sub him at Half time-60 minutes needs to stop. He is not delivering goals. His role is striker, not just as a great presser. or in the box distraction. When we win, Wout is good. When we lose, he just offers nothing.
Marcus Rashford is our only dependable goal scoring threat. The rest of the team averages 1 goalscoring contribution per game. That is fine as long as we dont concede, but goalscoring needs to come up from other players than Rashford.
Dalot is a very, very bad defender. He is fine going forward, but oh bad he is as atrocious at defending as Harry Maguire is at keeping the offisde line. AWB should always start ahead of Dalot in games where we expect any kind of action from the opposition left flank.
Antony is a marquee signing that is so far not delivering on expectation. He is a Ten Hag signing. We should allow him time to become bettter, but valid questionmarks surrounding his pricetag are becoming warranted.
Bruno Fernandes has a winners mentality, when we are winning, and a completely toxic attitude when we are losing. He can not be named permanent captain ahead of next season. Ten Hag needs to show strength and give the armband to someone who leads even when things are hard.
These are all real, and completely fair, criticisms of Ten Hag that needs adressing. At the same time Ten Hag should also receive praise for making the team entertainnig to watch, dependable on the scoresheet and ruling with authority.
Yesterdays result was not Ten Hags fault. Even for all the reasons above, the players on the pitch should deliver better performances by default. I fully expect Dalot and Antony to sit on the bench next match.
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Aye that is why Ole won us so many trophies in the big games. Think there are quite a few opposition fans on here posing as United fans.
Which is a fair point, but it doesn't change the fact that for a first half performance away at Anfield that performance ranks on the good side of the good/bad spectrum.
Weghorst did a decent/good job in the first half, but at the end of the day we have to play weghorst because we have to play weghorst. There is no Martial (who probably needs to be replaced), there is no eriksen (who probably needs to be replaced), Sancho was ill/provides less intensity, Garnacho shouldn't be thrown in to this game, sabitzer and mctominay don't offer more than fred (who needs to be replaced in the first 11). Everyone can agree Ten Hag has worked miracles to a degree to get this squad, with these injuries, and these quality gaps to do what they have done so far this season with the schedule that they have had. The defeat is aassive wake up call, but we move on to the next game. Plenty more to be won this season.
You also get a lot of posters adamant it’s not fatigue
He has turned OT into a fortess again. We can beat the big teams there. It is how we play against them away from home needs sorting.
Of course they will be tired, remember a lot of the players played in the World Cup and as has been said then come back to playing two games a week. We have won one cup, are in the final stages of two more competitions. The mental fatigue on top of the physical side will be kicking in. ETH will now have to handle the squad carefully regarding rotation and how physically demanding the training is. I fecking hate Andy Carroll. Think I mentioned that somewhere else.
This is true. Under Solksjaer for example, rather than being upset, we'd have been overjoyed that it wasn't 13-0 instead. What a smart take
A 7-0 thrashing by the club's major rivals would be upsetting even if it was on the back of a CL win.
Think a lot of us it is shock rather than anger.This is true. Under Solksjaer for example, rather than being upset, we'd have been overjoyed that it wasn't 13-0 instead. What a daft take
I do think there's some dogmatism in him trying to play on equal footing with the home team in away games, Eriksen got thoroughly outran and outworked against Brentford, and City and Pool showed us what happens when we try to attack them without the requisite quality upfront yet, same with the Arsenal game when we had a great start but couldn't solidify and let them equalise too early. Regardless, he has to try to push the limits with this group of players to see what they are capable of. If a year from now when we are fighting for the title and he sets us up like that again at Anfield/Emptyhad/Emirates without the result then by all means, criticise away, but at the moment, although painful, it's all a part of the process. You cant compromise on your beliefs and just default to counterattacking football in adverse circumstances, that's not how you build a dominant team in this day and age.
I agree with you
NonsenseThis is true. Under Solksjaer for example, rather than being upset, we'd have been overjoyed that it wasn't 13-0 instead. What a smart take
A 7-0 thrashing by the club's major rivals would be upsetting even if it was on the back of a CL win.
It's right this post was liked by a pigeon because with pathetic standards like these is why we've ended up being City and Liverpool's pigeon over the past years.
You can excuse one of these every couple of years but this constantly happening should mean a clear-out for some of this team.
We've seen the importance of mentality at the top level with Real Madrid and we cannot be having our worst result in 90 fecking years and worst against Liverpool in 130 years as just another bad day at the office.
That sort of naivety will kill us. I get it, he wants us to play our game regardless, but we’re not yet at the level where we can go to these grounds and dictate proceedings. Even under Ferguson/when we were dominant we used to take a more conservative approach in these games.
I hope Ten Hag realises that soon.
Trust in the manager.
I thought I edited that out before I posted. Shame thats all you took from my post
First half we were fine, good Anfield performance we just made mistakes we didn't take our chances and we let a really sloppy mistake filled goal in.
I think if I was manger I would of said same again please. Nice and tight slow it down no risks in the first twenty, stay in the game then we can start to play last 25 minutes.
You know Liverpool are gonna come flying out the blocks at you after half time, thats how they play. Bit naive I think to try and go after them straight from kick off of the second half and it gave them the chance to put it to bed very early in the second half.
Heads went then, you could see our packed schedule beginning to show players look tired and didnt look like the have the fight to at least try and keep it respectable. And so it proved.
I think if I was manger I would of said same again please. Nice and tight slow it down no risks in the first twenty, stay in the game then we can start to play last 25 minutes.
You know Liverpool are gonna come flying out the blocks at you after half time, thats how they play. Bit naive I think to try and go after them straight from kick off of the second half and it gave them the chance to put it to bed very early in the second half.
Heads went then, you could see our packed schedule beginning to show players look tired and didnt look like the have the fight to at least try and keep it respectable. And so it proved.
Sorry but this isn't accurate..isn't the coach supposed to be the one to identify which players suite his system. Not all transfers work to this you can attest.
Not being able to watch the second half probably helped a lot, but I'm not really that miffed at yesterday's result. It's obviously terrible, but I've seen so much progress this year that it's hard to get too down about what I perceive to be a bump in the road, rather than any sort of real problem.
Wow, reading this forum since the result yesterday and it seems a considerable portion of the fan base has been struggling to hold back the fear and now with this result it's come gushing out like a deluge.
I can understand in some way, I have been reluctant to get carried away with recent successes and fearing the United of the post-fergie years is actually just hiding below the surface, waiting to pounce on any notions of us being a good team again. That being said the doomerism so many are partaking in today is a bit much and verging on hysteria in my opinion.
After much disappointment recently I had set the bar very low for what I'd like to see this year and ETH has already exceeded those expectations. We are still very well positioned to finish top four, we have one cup and still in the running for two more. Perhaps ETH's success has created a rod for his own back and now people expect too much but that issue lies with those people and not ETH.
It's a terrible result no matter what way you look at it but it is just one match and hopefully will just act as a good kick up the arse in case the team was starting to get carried away with itself after recent hype.
I can understand in some way, I have been reluctant to get carried away with recent successes and fearing the United of the post-fergie years is actually just hiding below the surface, waiting to pounce on any notions of us being a good team again. That being said the doomerism so many are partaking in today is a bit much and verging on hysteria in my opinion.
After much disappointment recently I had set the bar very low for what I'd like to see this year and ETH has already exceeded those expectations. We are still very well positioned to finish top four, we have one cup and still in the running for two more. Perhaps ETH's success has created a rod for his own back and now people expect too much but that issue lies with those people and not ETH.
It's a terrible result no matter what way you look at it but it is just one match and hopefully will just act as a good kick up the arse in case the team was starting to get carried away with itself after recent hype.
Holding 7 against Liverpool is inexcusable to be honest. He has done some good work, but yesterday was calamitous - and I don’t get people trying to pass it off as just a bad day in the office.
Team still needs considerable investment. Namely the RB spot, striker, GK and RW spot (I’m sorry but Antony ain’t it). Hell, midfield too.
Also, I thought the whole point of McLaren being around is because he knows the league. Why is he not advising Ten Hag that setting up away at these grounds as if he’s playing at home is a death sentence? I mean:
Team still needs considerable investment. Namely the RB spot, striker, GK and RW spot (I’m sorry but Antony ain’t it). Hell, midfield too.
Also, I thought the whole point of McLaren being around is because he knows the league. Why is he not advising Ten Hag that setting up away at these grounds as if he’s playing at home is a death sentence? I mean:
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