Is this Sancho who played for that high pressing Dortmund team?
Is this Sancho who hasn't shown a single instance of competent pressing during his entire PL career?
I don’t even think it’s money he needs to be backed with. He needs the time to coach these players. We’ve got a quality team now. A decent manager… he just needs time to coach them… once he’s been with the same group of players for a season or 2 then we’ll see the massive difference. Guardiola has been with his team for years and it showed with the way they play together. It’s all about team cohesion and you don’t get that after a few months with a new team and new manager. They need time to become comfortable with each other and the ideas the manager wants.
I don't think, we did at all. Granted, we try to do it and it looks a little better than under Ole or RR but there is nothing at all suggesting that we are really getting better at it. (this isn't even a dig at ETH, because for pressing, you need to up so many things in a team, fitness levels, intensity, organisation, this is a difficult thing to implement. But indicating we are doing it to a good degree seems wrong to me)
My view as well.
Fully agree.
Fully agree.
Fair enough, I agree with the last sentence. I haven't seen the level of absurdness in terms of expectations though, that you are describing. On the contrary, I have seen people questioning the fan hood of others just because of criticism. I agree with you, unreasonable expectation are a bad thing. But there are more bad things going on.
I'd say some of you are going slightly over the top. We received a 6 goal beating yesterday. People are talking about potential things that might have been able to prevent that to a certain degree. Feels like every reaction on this side of the road is knee jerk to you. But you know it isn't. Of course there were a few posts with strange opinions, but lets not act as if they were the majority and that the "patient and reasonable fans" are needed to bring in some balance. Seems like the overwhelming majority is behind ETH. He has every right to make mistakes. Just as we have to talk about it with all our inexistent knowledge about it.
I bet he told them not to press against city as there just to good at passing and will manage to beat it which will leave space behind but that didn’t really matter because they had tons of space. We need the front 3 to press the defenders and keepers. When that happens mistakes happen and it can lead to you scoring a goal… Ederson had far to much time on the ball yesterday, that shouldn’t be allowed, we pressed Liverpool really well and they was making mistakes all over at the back.
Right you are!
Your chain of thought is horrendously muddled.
The players can press, maybe it's the set up which doesn't allow them too?
Certainly against Liverpool and Arsenal the intensity and press was there as soon as they entered the United half, yesterday for whatever reason it wasn't.
I wasn't too sure what the thinking was yesterday, really couldn't work out the game plan at all.
What are you talking about?
Right you are!
Your chain of thought is horrendously muddled.
The players can press, maybe it's the set up which doesn't allow them too?
Certainly against Liverpool and Arsenal the intensity and press was there as soon as they entered the United half, yesterday for whatever reason it wasn't.
I meant I'm seeing progression in that regard, not that we're doing it greatly. As you said yourself you need to get better at other things first. Baby steps and all that but some posters are claiming nothing is getting better and they're not seeing anything at all. That's just kneejerk reactions.
wow, I suggest you calm down and take a deep breath!You hit the nail on the head with the passing.
I will definitely love to see this formation. I think it will bring the best out of Eriksen and Fred. I think Fred ability to pass between the lines especially in transition is underrated. both Fred and Casimero are good in ball recovering and that will allow Erick to be more of a creator. he takes care of the ball much better than Bruno.
Other than Mctominay who are the alternatives in attack ?
It's been 10 months now with Rangnick AND Ten Hag and pressing is still utterly shambolic and incoherent.
I'll say it again, provide one match in the past year, where we've had two coaches intent on pressing, where we've shown highly competent pressing and that INCLUDES high pressing rather than just defending deep and stepping out. That's all I'm asking. One match in 2022. Just one.
You seem triggered!
I'm glad Ten Hag said that as it does need improvement.
I suggest you watch the Liverpool and Arsenal games back and see for yourself.
A press doesn't have to be high up the pitch, it a coordinated action anywhere on the pitch. Which is what United achieved during the Liverpool game, Bruno with 17 presses during the game, McT with 15 (yet apparently they cant press?),
Here's a snapshot of The Coaches Voice analysis after the Liverpool game: The hosts pressed Liverpool very well, mostly from a mid-block but with intermittent spells of higher pressing
As for the Arsenal game, our press wasn't great, but was there. That was mainly down to how good Arsenal were on the ball.
However, Ten Hag changed his mindset in that game and played mainly on the counter so a coordinated press wasn't as vital to proceedings,
So the players can do it, and have done it. Yesterday was bizarre in both application and desire.
Yeah we would've won 3-0 with that team.
You asked me for my side and I've given it. There's no need for snide remarks.
He has a point. You and every other fan and human being knows that to high press city there is fuk all room for error. I’d say if you analysed their losses and draws since Peps second season the vast majority were to teams who had significantly lower possession , lower chance creation, limited possession in high areas of the pitch. That tells you simply that it is not in any way normal to press city high and to enforce your game plan on them and still get a result. Tell me anyone but Klopp who has managed it consistently.
