Well, his demand could be that the club sign the players he put on the list only, which seems to be the case so far. Just because he demands it, does not mean it would be right for the club. The decision makers seem to go along with him because they themselves are unqualified to run this kind of club.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I googled it and a fair few came up. Try it. Can you give creditable sources that said we didnt?
Google it. Thats what i did.
Maybe he needed to see first hand for himself what he's dealing with while evaluating.
I'm not gonna bother with this anymore when your proof is probably the metro, daily mail, express and the likes claiming we bid for him...it's 2022 and people still listen to journalists making stuff up.
None of Romano, Ornstein, Stone or any other credible journalist ever mentioned that our interest is serious or that we made a bid for him. None of them. All Romano claimed is that we talked to his agent.
We never made an offer for Darwin Nunez, I can guarantee you that
Edit: Do you think we've made an offer for Felix? Some Spanish tabloids reported it, after all
I normally dont bother to idiotic replies but the athletic and romano were 2 of the early birds that said utd were in for him. They are no more reliable than anyone else
But what happens if he can't because his employer has put constraints on his decision making?
If this poster below is correct, I think ETH should just walk away. Walk away and keep his reputation intact, walk away and forgo any payoff, but don't sign any non-disclosure agreement either and tell everyone why he did it. Let the whole footballing world know that if you take the managers job at Manchester United you are just a puppet on a string. That might force change upon the club.
He's not trying to play negative football. The players aren't capable of playing anything else.
It's a shame that playing football doesn't suit the skill set of our players.
In all fairness this was clear months ago with basic amounts of foresight. You couldn't assemble a less fitting cast if your goal was to get ETH fired. Even the "good" ones suck at decisions and/or ballplaying. De Gea playing out of the back, Maguire covering space 30 yards away from the box, Bruno and Rashford being efficient, implementing a high press with CR, having McFred playing out of pressure, good luck and god be with us.
What's the alternative though? Is Heaton better at this? (Or who's the second keeper now? Sorry, genuine question.)
And maybe Ten Hag did ask for another keeper but didn't get one? From other quotes, he does seem pretty upset with (the lack of) transfer proceedings this summer.
To be fair he did publicly stated we don’t need major changes at the start as we’ve already got a fine squad, and insisted on playing McFred and keeping Maguire as captain, so he has to take some of the blame.
Making Maguire captain made sense though. He doesn't know the personalities enough to know who will be his captain. By making him captain, and then benching him, you only upset Maguire. By making someone else captain, you run the risk of that captain failing so now you have that player and Maguire as upset.
A player being captain doesn't mean they view the captain role in the same manner as LVG, where he always had his captain playing.
if you get called out for laziness by Nani, you are really bad.
It’s better to upset/bench him and played someone else, which he is likely going to do in our next game, rather then keep his captaincy, let him organised our defence and keep leaking goals against mid table teams.
I don’t remember nani being a lazy player? Maybe not always effective. But he definitely wasn’t lazy.
That’s what I meant by learning the hard way. He defo hasn’t made it easy on himself.. but I do wonder if he’s told to play certain players. I mean maguire cost 80million.. do they really want him on the bench.. and have all managers really played him so much and backed him as captain? You never know.
Imo ETH has been fully aware of the issues in our squad. Anyone who watched a couple of our matches last season would have. But he still decided to take a gamble here because at Ajax he was able to successfully implement his style despite some of his squad especially the ones he bought had no such experience previously.
This is imo his biggest mistake. He was able to do that at Ajax because the players listened to him. He underestimated the attitude issues in our squad. Needless to talk about this anymore our squad are full of wankers who are lazy af but delusional af about their talent. Plus the Ronaldo affair.
This is bad guys. This season gonna be a long one and tbh I don't think he'd last long here if things continue like this. Imo he really needs to make some dramatic decisions and actions like to play the youngsters and refuse to answer the post match questions to deliver the message and declare his stance. Keeping silent and trying to make those wankers listening to him won't work and eventually will only cost him his job.
Odd resemblance to Arsenals season 21, two losses then up against City. They got whipped and shelacked. Arsenal fans already were called for his head then a narrow win over Norwich.
Yes, I’m watching all or nothing: arsenal. Judge me all you like!
Yes, I’m watching all or nothing: arsenal. Judge me all you like!
There was a time when I remember Nani as looking not up to it when he was playing. Let’s not tarnish him, I’m sorry.
but you’re right I was just “lazy” to find a single word to describe the team we have today. Perhaps that is too flattering a word.
He's got his assessment wrong, so did Rangnick. Selling the idea that "this group of players came 2nd not so long ago and they're awesome and need motivation" is stupid shit. His assessment is also most likely to be biased with DeGea being a training ground Buffon and Fred being preseason Pirlo. Let's see if he learns from his mistakes and solves the situation.
Were Arsenal that bad football wise? No running no desire no organisation and totally no heart? I don’t watch them and I truly don’t know.
Had a smartass comment here but just gonna say I think you're way off on this one.
Shows he did not do his homework. Wondering what he was doing when he started working earlier than his intended starting date.
Publicly is the key word there.
mind blowing people still don't realise what is said in public is different to what goes on behind closed doors.
The lengths people will go on here to try & paint ten Hag as absolutely blameless in our terrible start of season are quite impressive, I must say. I think most have convinced themselves this team is really bad enough to be embarrassed to such extent by a weakened Brighton side and Brentford. The manner of both defeats would be considered very bad even for a League Two team playing these two in FA Cup, yet we have people almost praising him for trying to play this amazing, progressive football, somehow.
Our squad is probably not good enough to finish top 6 or be competitive against good teams but it doesn’t change the fact that in terms of the set up for both games, the decisions were absolutely horrendous and in-game management was extremely poor as well. How much of the shape of our team is down to ETH we don’t really know.
Our squad is probably not good enough to finish top 6 or be competitive against good teams but it doesn’t change the fact that in terms of the set up for both games, the decisions were absolutely horrendous and in-game management was extremely poor as well. How much of the shape of our team is down to ETH we don’t really know.
don't think anyone would say he's blameless
The manager has made a lot of questionable decisions imo.
We do at least know that the team didn't follow his instructions well so far, probably because some of the players are to stupid to do simple things like "when they are pressing high, you play a long ball to beat the press "
That's one of my biggest fears going forward. Seeing how polarized this fanbase tends to be, I think our next few managers will almost always get a free pass because the "players down tool" will be the default excuse fans give them. Also feel Rangnick played on this perfectly, knowing fans had turned on the players it was easy for him to deflect from the poor results and focus on 'exposing' the club as much as possible.
Unlike most, I am optimistic but don't have absolute blind faith in Ten Hag. I like his Ajax team, but I believe he still has a lot to prove on this level. Several good managers have taken the step up (I know we are shit and all but we still come with massive expectations) and found it very difficult - AvB being a more recent example - so I don't buy this 'Ten Hag gets a pass from me this season' nonsense.
He has to be judged based on how he performs. At the end of the day it's a result based business and his performance will be judged in line with the condition he's working in. That we were shit last season don't mean we have to be shit in this one, and definitely don't excuse any manager that keeps us being shit. Every manager is handicapped one way or another, but fans must still expect certain improvements from their teams year on year.
This season for me it is about the fundamentals. How has our style of play progressed throughout the season? Performances? Results? If there's a clear progression in those metrics through the course of the season then he gets a pass from me. Anything else and I think the jury will be out on him big time.
Again this is another misrepresentation of what the Man himself said. The only player he was referring to in that situation was DeGea. One player isn't the 'team'. Only one of the 4 goals we conceded was due to not bypassing the press.
And believe it or not, teams have bad days. It doesn't have to be because they aren't following instructions. City and Pep have one game a season where they get battered similarly, I doubt the same nonsense about "players not listening" get trotted out for him too.
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madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
these players will get him sacked. It’s just facts at this point. Problem is we have 2 weeks to sort it, it’s all been left too late (as per usual) and we’re now scrambling around in the dark getting whatever players we can over the line.
after all the problems with the squad, the season we had last season.. we needed early business. We needed to go into pre season with a fair few new signings in this squad to bed in. We needed tough decisions like DDG, maguire, shaw, mcfred and Ronaldo. We needed wholesale changes. We got none.
The only players we have lost are players at end of contracts and Perriera.
Not one really tough, hardline decision has been made yet. Not one.
i expected maybe a rashford sale, Maguire sale.. shaw maybe.. some of our mainstays who have done nothing of note. They’re all still here and starting in this squad and guess what? Same shite. Same results. Same mentality, same dross.
different manager.
I’m 100% team ETH. Just to put that point across.. but if he thinks he can get these players playing like contenders he’s in for a shock (one I think he’s getting in fairness).
these players will get him sacked. It’s just facts at this point. Problem is we have 2 weeks to sort it, it’s all been left too late (as per usual) and we’re now scrambling around in the dark getting whatever players we can over the line.
after all the problems with the squad, the season we had last season.. we needed early business. We needed to go into pre season with a fair few new signings in this squad to bed in. We needed tough decisions like DDG, maguire, shaw, mcfred and Ronaldo. We needed wholesale changes. We got none.
The only players we have lost are players at end of contracts and Perriera.
Not one really tough, hardline decision has been made yet. Not one.
i expected maybe a rashford sale, Maguire sale.. shaw maybe.. some of our mainstays who have done nothing of note. They’re all still here and starting in this squad and guess what? Same shite. Same results. Same mentality, same dross.
different manager.
I’m 100% team ETH. Just to put that point across.. but if he thinks he can get these players playing like contenders he’s in for a shock (one I think he’s getting in fairness).
Well his action does match his words though.
It's a shame that playing football doesn't suit the skill set of our players.
I'm beginning to hate Luckhurst. The stuff he is posting seems to be bordering on exaggeration.
How do you plan an approach for players who have no skill set?
I guess Ole really was the best manager for this lot.
I guess Ole really was the best manager for this lot.
Only "beginning"? He's always been a shit stirrer.
With how toxic the fanbase is, I'd keep the youth players far far away from any meaningful game.
Teams don't "get rid of most of the players" in one transfer window.
Ten Hag needs to adapt to the PL quickly and figure out how to win games with the group of players he has, not the ones he'd play on his fantasy team.
Over the last few years, the managers have had to adapt to the players rather than the players adapting to the manager which is absolutely ridiculous.
Its bad enough on its own but add to the fact, a big core of our players have rotten attitudes.
Had Ten Hag moved to a different big club, they would have shipped out the players that don't fit his system and got him his targets.
Simple as.
Its bad enough on its own but add to the fact, a big core of our players have rotten attitudes.
Had Ten Hag moved to a different big club, they would have shipped out the players that don't fit his system and got him his targets.
Simple as.
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