Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Loving the old school methods. I remember back when I was playing (albeit at amateur level) we'd get beasted if we played shit. If players don't like it either step up or bugger off.

I do think however a change in captain is required urgently.
 
Rocksy said:
What about Real Madrid, or Barcelona, Bayern? It’s the same there, except if you are shite they generally get rid of you.
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It all comes back to recruitment. Since Ferguson retired nothing has been done to ensure we're properly equipped there, and just like every other problem that exists at the club, the Glazers have allowed it to fester.

I don't think any manager has been particularly satisfied with our recruitment in the last decade. I don't think all of that boils down to getting x target instead of y target either. It's a systemic flaw, and until it's fixed we will continue to have the same problems.
 
Betson said:
Is the punishment worth it if it negatively effects performance V Liverpool?
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If they know they can get away with being lazy and performing terribly, do you really think they will perform against Liverpool? The majority of these players have had a terrible attitude for a long time. They've been outrun and subsequently beaten by mediocre sides so many times it's unreal. Their attitude has to change. Frankly I'm done with us constantly changing the manager whilst leaving most of the squad intact and absolving the players from blame. The club is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I believe a wise man once said that's insanity.
 
mikeyt said:
Loving the old school methods. I remember back when I was playing (albeit at amateur level) we'd get beasted if we played shit. If players don't like it either step up or bugger off.

I do think however a change in captain is required urgently.
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If he changes it now it'll seem reactionary. Should have changed it the second he walked through the door.
 
Jazz said:
We haven't got any one in the squad who can be a good effective captain - this is the problem......
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Varane is more of a natural leader. Have captained both in RM and France NT.
Seems like a likeable person too. And most importantly - a born winner.
 
I'm backing the manager, no matter what. This club is rotten in its core. Big changes need to be made. Ten Hag has the unfortunate job to try that.
Maybe his first signings won't work out, tough luck. Replace them like Pep replaced Bravo with Ederson when the former didn't cut it. We need to give Ten Hag that chance.

Two games lost, I'm frustrated, but I have no faith and hope for our current group of players. They let the club and the fans down for years. And they are paid royally for that too.
 
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They're already turning on him, aren't they? We need to rid of these losers. The ABU media is chomping at the bits, we need fresh faces
 
JPRouve said:
No, you suggested that you couldn't "ruin" players by making them run 13km and I said that it wasn't true it depends on how you make them run those 13k. I didn't backtrack nor chance a thing, your statement is simply wrong because it ignores the most important variable.
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ok well I gave you some recovery info and also I think it's common sense that ETH couldn't make them run at their absolute max round a 13k 1. because how on earth would he do that and 2. because it clearly a symbolic punishment.

There is no way he could 'ruin' (implying they are not going to be ready for the next game) a group of professional athletes by making them run 13k.
 
Knux said:
”In ruins” :lol: sounds very dramatic. They are professional athletes ffs. They should run 13k atleast 3 times a week. And every player should be able to run a marathon 42km without any problem.
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I enjoy the hyperbole but every player shouldn't be able to run a marathon without any problem. Even very well trained runners have lots of problems with the marathon.

But yes, everyone is being dramatic and at the end of the day Ten Hag has seen now what a bunch of workshy bottlers they are! It's right to do this kind of thing to weed them out - the only annoying thing for me is that Fred and McTominay probably rose to this and smashed it.
 
Shark said:
If he changes it now it'll seem reactionary. Should have changed it the second he walked through the door.
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I think he’ll have to make big changes after the Liverpool game. He should have done it in the summer, but this can look like giving them enough rope. Conte had a bit of a nightmare start at Chelsea and then changed the whole system and won the league. United’s problems are obviously a lot bigger, though.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
ok well I gave you some recovery info and also I think it's common sense that ETH couldn't make them run at their absolute max round a 13k 1. because how on earth would he do that and 2. because it clearly a symbolic punishment.

There is no way he could 'ruin' (implying they are not going to be ready for the next game) a group of professional athletes by making them run 13k.
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Which is why I first said that the suggestion made in the tweet made no sense. The issue is that your statement is also wrong because it depends on the intensity of the 13k.

To make it simple, the sport scientists point is senseless because it's based on the regularity of such sessions. Your point was wrong because recovery times and whether you can handle a session depends highly on intensity. In both cases a crucial parameter is missed.
 
acnumber9 said:
He needs to learn quickly. Say what you want about our players but they’re good enough to beat Brighton and Brentford.
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At least in Brightons case, are they? I would take Biissouma, Caicedo , Troussard, Cucurella, Dunk, Lampty over Mcfred, Rashford, Shaw, Dalot or Maguire any day of the week. Perhaps (some of) our players have a higher ceiling but for them to be successful they need to have very special conditions to operate in because they're very mentally weak or nowhere near good enough to play for United.

Potter has moulded the club to his way of thinking. ETH has been in the door 2 minutes. That's a massive difference right there. It's going to bet worse before it (hopefully) gets better
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
At least in Brightons case, are they? I would take Biissouma, Caicedo , Troussard, Cucurella, Dunk, Lampty over Mcfred, Rashford, Shaw, Dalot or Maguire any day of the week. Perhaps (some of) our players have a higher ceiling but for them to be successful they need to have very special conditions to operate in because they're very mentally weak or nowhere near good enough to play for United.

Potter has moulded the club to his way of thinking. ETH has been in the door 2 minutes. That's a massive difference right there. It's going to bet worse before it (hopefully) gets better
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Two of those players don't even play for Brighton anymore...
 
JPRouve said:
Which is why I first said that the suggestion made in the tweet made no sense. The issue is that your statement is also wrong because it depends on the intensity of the 13k.

To make it simple, the sport scientists point is senseless because it's based on the regularity of such sessions. Your point was wrong because recovery times and whether you can handle a session depends highly on intensity. In both cases a crucial parameter is missed.
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If you are just ignoring my posts to suit your reply, I wish you the best.

I clearly have written multiple times it’s obvious it wouldn’t have been at 100% intensity and listed the reason why. It’s also common sense.
 
ItDoesntEvenMata said:
I enjoy the hyperbole but every player shouldn't be able to run a marathon without any problem. Even very well trained runners have lots of problems with the marathon.

But yes, everyone is being dramatic and at the end of the day Ten Hag has seen now what a bunch of workshy bottlers they are! It's right to do this kind of thing to weed them out - the only annoying thing for me is that Fred and McTominay probably rose to this and smashed it.
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A marathon is hard obviously but every professional athlete should be able to run a marathon imo. My father who is soon 60 years old still runs marathon ffs. Its not a big deal.

And Yeah, I assume that McFred did quite well. If they only were as good on the pitch!
 
fuk punishment, which it is, but these cnuts should never have been outrun by that many kilometers....that's just a pure lack of effort which is completely on them. They can control how hard they work and if they aren't willing to work hard in the football match then fuking send a message and make them run in training. Well played ETH
 
Knux said:
A marathon is hard obviously but every professional athlete should be able to run a marathon imo. My father who is soon 60 years old still runs marathon ffs. Its not a big deal.

And Yeah, I assume that McFred did quite well. If they only were as good on the pitch!
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I mean, anyone can jog one/ walk but with any athletic gusto, it's a difficult thing and requires lots of specific training - like the difference between a kickabout in the park and playing a proper game of football.

Did you not see Arjen Robben's disintegration at Rotterdam Marathon - he hardly ran an impressive time.

In fact, I've seen no professional or former pro footballer bang out a good marathon time - completely different demand on the body
 
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AndySmith1990 said:
He needs to given a bye this season whatever happens. Let him learn from his mistakes and build a suitable team capable of playing his way. We cannot keep changing managers and giving this squad clean slates, the lazy good for nothing cnuts are taking us further and further into decline
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Jacko21 said:


I like Crafton. And I like the Athletic.

But I'm not entirely sure that Ten Hag's decision merits this kind of response/scrutiny.
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FFS. They will have a week to recover
 
ItDoesntEvenMata said:
I mean, anyone can jog one/ walk but with any athletic gusto, it's a difficult thing and requires lots of specific training - like the difference between a kickabout in the park and playing a proper game of football.

Did you not see Arjen Robben's disintegration at Rotterdam Marathon - he hardly ran an impressive time.

In fact, I've seen no professional or former pro footballer bang out a good marathon time - completely different demand on the body
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Yeah it’s two different types of training.
I say it this way: every player should be able to run a marathon under 5 hours. That should be a minimum. Which means you can run/jog/walk.

I just googled robben marathon and it was a VERY impressive time imo.
3 hours and 7 minutes?! Hugely impressive pace of 7 minutes and 13 seconds per mile and an avarage speed Around 14km/h. Thats as close to elite you get.
 
Only high profile player who could run marathons was Gaizka Mendieta back in the day.

Footballers are definitely not meant for marathons. A 13km run however should be within their realm.
 
Selling Garner and still playing McTominay is not what I consider developing youth. Something seriously stinks at our club if the same useless players are retained and played week in, week out
 
Sarni said:
Not really. If our performance doesn’t improve and we are making the same errors over and over again he will be gone and rightly so. There are very few managers in the world for whom you could say ‘we should stand behind them no matter what’ and ten Hag has not earned that reputation. Allowing him to replace entire team with his own players is probably not the best idea either.

Ten Hag love-in among fans is still strong but they will also eventually turn if we keep treading in this direction.

While I don’t really rate our team and think we are way behind the best teams in the league, I find it silly that ten Hag seems to be absolved of any blame for our horrendous start and seems to have grown into this fan base darling just because our players aren’t very good.
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Nope. Hard disagree.

It's clear this team and these players just aren't a good mix. Something is broken with a lot of them. Mentally and physically weak throughout the core.

No manager could turn this team around in 1 season. Not Pep, Klopp or Fergie.

If it takes a year of poor results to break it apart and start fresh properly, so be it. I'm done with band aid fixes and short term coverings.

The only way to break the cycle is to BREAK the cycle.

Don't get me wrong, yes ETH could have made better decisions, but no manager is flawless either. Pep has thrown away CL titles from being stubborn.

He will need to learn and adjust too, but I would rather keep him in the long term than half of this squad.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
At least in Brightons case, are they? I would take Biissouma, Caicedo , Troussard, Cucurella, Dunk, Lampty over Mcfred, Rashford, Shaw, Dalot or Maguire any day of the week. Perhaps (some of) our players have a higher ceiling but for them to be successful they need to have very special conditions to operate in because they're very mentally weak or nowhere near good enough to play for United.

Potter has moulded the club to his way of thinking. ETH has been in the door 2 minutes. That's a massive difference right there. It's going to bet worse before it (hopefully) gets better
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We beat them in the same fixture last season and finished comfortably ahead of them in our worst season in loving memory. They’ve since lost one of their best players so I would say we are. Anything can happen on a given day, but this idea our players are worse than mid table sides needs to end. The squad isn’t perfect but it’s more than good enough to expect them to compete with Brighton and Brentford.
 
Can't wait for leaks blaming training being too intense after we lose to Liverpool.
 
Back the manager whatever he do. Its his job end of the day. If he think players not put the effort in a match then he need to straighten them.

He need to show to all of them who the boss is. If players didn't like it then have to put the effort on the actual match.

Have to put the fire in their belly. Its biggest club in England and if you want to play for it you have to earn it.
 
I wasn't initially a fan of the reports of ETH making the lads run 13.8KM in training yesterday because it seemed like arbitrary punishment...but if the rumours are true and it's because that's the distance by which Brentford out-ran us then I take it back and I love it :lol:
 
Lentwood said:
I wasn't initially a fan of the reports of ETH making the lads run 13.8KM in training yesterday because it seemed like arbitrary punishment...but if the rumours are true and it's because that's the distance by which Brentford out-ran us then I take it back and I love it :lol:
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I really hope this becomes a thing and he makes them run the distance covered by the opposition every time we’re outrun by an opponent. These lazy cnuts will soon get their act together.
 
Rocksy said:
Where did you read that?
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I'd seen similar, just a Twitter thread, noting that Maguire, Shaw, McT, Rashford & Bruno have clauses in their contracts stipulating penalties if they don't play X minutes & start a certain number of games.

I call BS.
 
so looking down a likely 0-3 start. Not a great beginning but more wanting to see positive thinking with lineups and subs. Garnacho deserves some actual time as a sub when we clearly arent attacking worth shit. By the time we play our 4th game we need to have 2 new CMs in or shit is gonna get ugly. Eriksen clearly looked overwhelmed playing that deep against brentford. ETH needs to either get something out of rashford/bruno or have the balls to drop them, because they have been playing like absolute dogshit for players of their supposed stature
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
I really hope this becomes a thing and he makes them run the distance covered by the opposition every time we’re outrun by an opponent. These lazy cnuts will soon get their act together.
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Yeah that would be great - it will also mean that the players who are outran by their opposite numbers will likely be very unpopular with their teammates
 
Knux said:
Yeah it’s two different types of training.
I say it this way: every player should be able to run a marathon under 5 hours. That should be a minimum. Which means you can run/jog/walk.

I just googled robben marathon and it was a VERY impressive time imo.
3 hours and 7 minutes?! Hugely impressive pace of 7 minutes and 13 seconds per mile and an avarage speed Around 14km/h. Thats as close to elite you get.
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But that's like 12 minutes a mile, which is not far off fast walk pace for most averagely fit people.

I don't think you have a very good grasp/ working knowledge of levels of athleticism and comparing across sports. It's really not close to elite - it's a half decent time for a club runner. No more, no less. If you look at the manner of his run though - 1.28 through half way and then died off to do the second in 1.45 ( he did 3.13), then you see the bigger story!
 
We're two games in and the season is long. Bad teams are bad and we do have talent on the this roster. Unless we're bottom-three at mid-season, I'm going to grind through with my support. The key is beating the bad teams and at least drawing with the mid-table ones. If we don't make top four this year, so be it, but in the second half of the season, we have to be visibly improving.

Thing is, the manager still has to get this EPL thing figured out and has to get the squad figured out, and the squad have to get him figured out. Once that happens, I think we'll be fine (and I don't really believe it will take half the season).
 
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