Well if you invite brentford to attack and then play long balls over them, what is that then?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Invite Brentford to press (ie Brentford press without Brentford having the ball).
I worry for Erik. Players don’t seem to be carrying out his instructions and has we’ve seen in the past it will probably get worse, they always down tools. How long until they start leaking stuff about the manager?
We’re now scurrying around the market being linked to all sorts of mediocre shite that will set us back even further, it’s just a complete nightmare.
We’re now scurrying around the market being linked to all sorts of mediocre shite that will set us back even further, it’s just a complete nightmare.
That's not what you paraphrased him.as saying.
Yeah it's not a bad point, but any game plan you might have had is out of the window when you concede 4 inside 35 minutes and go into HT 0-2 down vs Brighton
Did we not play it or did they just render it useless by going long towards Martinez?
I can remember a sit down protest at OT, certainly in the Utd Road. And plenty of Fergie Out calls ringing round OT.
Whilst the memory isn’t sharp enough to provide specifics was probably the season Robbins bailed us at Forest and we went in to win the FA cup.
Was a major shit or bust time.
To call those fans fickle, after 3 years, or to not recognise it happened, is a bit of a mistake.
Recognise it for what it was, and what followed, and learn from it.
Support your club.
Support the manager.
Enjoy the ride.
I still think Ten Hag is a good coach, but he is so arrogant not to have listened to what Rangnick had to say about the squad.
I hope he is given time here. This summer has been a joke.
Really sad and depressing to see the club the way it is now.
Its not the same club I grew up loving.
Really sad and depressing to see the club the way it is now.
Its not the same club I grew up loving.
He surely meant a way to beat their press.
The fans will stick with him over any of the board or this squad. There is no goodwill for anybody left at here, ETH benefits from being a newbie and having shit all around him
Watch the interview. In them pressing so high, they were leaving huge gaps behind. Ten Hag wanted to exploit that but the feckery at the back put an end to any gameplan.
He will do something with what he’s got. I think you might be worrying too much about the order of the signings. And they haven’t had 5 mins to settle in yet.
I agree it looks bad but there’s plenty of time yet.
We can do deals quickly, Malacia and Ronaldo were done in days.
it's comical how quickly people turn on managers.
Lets hope so.
I felt the opportunities were there Vs Brentford. Less so against Brighton who did go long more.
They won't like this one bit. Expect them to ignore his instructions against Liverpool and put in even less effort. We all know by now their fragile egos can't handle criticism
I expected things to be at UTD but not this freaking bad. Something needs to happen by the fans. I hope EtH walks.
Stay strong Erik, these players are experts and throwing managers under the bus.
Expect 'leaks' this week about how they're not impressed with training and tactics. Also Ronaldo stories are suspiciously quiet, there will be a few of those.
Can’t allow this bunch of unworthy losers get another manager sacked. As a fanbase we have to focus our anger in the right places.
The crybabies will start crying soon. Expect a lot of leaks about the manager in the coming weeks.
Said the same thing
Too experienced. We're Man Utd. We're special. We don't do ordinary. It's like Disney World in there. /s
Players' feel they are being overworked and are not impressed with the extended running sessions. Sources close to one player described it as "nothing like Disneyland" while another is said to be disgruntled by the quality of the chips, after United replaced their head chef with Darren Fletchers' nephew
Who fed this dressing room affair to the press? I meant even on positive side, I don't think ETH and his staffs would just inform the press about this new training schedule.
The players will throw him under the bus. He stands no chance. He is also naive, completely bought into what Arnold, the Glazers and Murtough sold him. They will hide behind him
EtH better be ready to be thrown under the bus. If he plays those players who we know are the bus throwers that is on him.
Careful giving the leaker away.The club hasn't done him any favors at all but its also clear that ETH badly misjudged certain aspects of the PL. United just isn’t ready to play out from the back regularly against effective pressing teams. You could have conceded four just from errors in those situations against Brentford.
ETH also underestimated the pace and power you need in the center of the park if you are trying to play a high line and press aggressively. A CB pairing of Martinez and Maguire with Fred and Eriksen in front just isn’t going to work. Too weak in transitions, not enough size and athleticism to win initial and then second balls when opponents go long.
ETH needs to play a lot more pragmatically and introduce his playing style bit-by-bit, rather than setting up like this. Get some results, build some confidence, introduce new playing concepts more gradually.
ETH also underestimated the pace and power you need in the center of the park if you are trying to play a high line and press aggressively. A CB pairing of Martinez and Maguire with Fred and Eriksen in front just isn’t going to work. Too weak in transitions, not enough size and athleticism to win initial and then second balls when opponents go long.
ETH needs to play a lot more pragmatically and introduce his playing style bit-by-bit, rather than setting up like this. Get some results, build some confidence, introduce new playing concepts more gradually.
This is exactly what I wanted to hear. And it’s the main reason I am happy we got ETH. He will demand maximum effort and maximum “obedience”. Most pertinently, he will walk if the board interferes and I don’t think he will care about any consequences of doing that.
I can forgive quite a few mistakes as long as he is being allowed to keep working and follow his plans through.
What strikes me is do these players not want success? They seem totally void of hunger and desire. Its shocking how unprofessional and mentally weak they are.
I think the criticism on ETH is somewhat fair but some of these threads are really premature. Everybody and their mothers knew we're entering a rebuild. He said it 100 times in his first couple of interviews, "this takes time". The beating we were handed yesterday was painful and there are things he could have done differently, but this is the same squad he inherited that also got spanked by Brighton 4-0 last year, I'm hardly surprised.
His first season at Ajax wasn't the Ajax we (or rather, people outside The Netherlands) all know now. He had his struggles in his first season there too. His style of football takes a lot of coaching and time. Time he probably won't get, I mean look at the fans already coming for his head in this forum, but I hope the club keeps backing him.
A fair criticism on him is his (in)activity on the transfer market, but this is also a mistake from the club. In Amsterdam Overmars did most of that, ETH didn't really have a lot of say other than approving a transfer and telling Marc get me this type of player. I feel like the club should not have given ETH this power over recruitment, but I guess the manager is some deity in England that should hold all the reins. Isn't Murtough supposed to have a role in this too with his high position? On the other hand I can relate to ETH being stubborn because this club has got a horrible track record when it comes to transfers for the last decade and before the season started everyone seemed to be in agreement that we should give ETH what HE wants. Anyways, this will be a tough season but everybody knew that beforehand. The closer we got to the season, the more fans kept hyping themselves up, but you can't change this team overnight. Not in one pre-season. Not in one transfer window. Pipe down and give ETH the time he deserves.
The thing that made me laugh today is I've even seen certain people talk about Pochettino being the answer as if he didn't fail at Spurs too eventually. "But he didn't got the funds he needed", yeah? So basically just like ETH at this moment. Yes, the money is reserved for FDJ but even after that transfer, there's so much more we still need. Besides, Poch couldn't even let a team with Neymar, Messi and Mbappe sparkle ffs.
These are also the same people that are shitting on ETH now for being an "inexperienced manager" as if he and his Ajax teams didn't completely outplay Juve, Real, Dortmund, and even went toe to toe with Bayern, Chelsea and Spurs. He has accolades and proven to be a good coach but you can't expect him to turn this shitshow around in two months. Which is what nobody expected him to do to begin with, but now we truely see once again how inept these lot are when trying to play possession based football yet we lay part of the fault on him. But there is not a lot he can do with this squad that he inherited from two managers that also couldn't sort it out with these players. They aren't good enough at this moment, but the team is very thin and we can't overhaul the team, so what can he really say other than "we will try to do it with what we have". I feel for him. Before the summer started everyone knew this would be a project, a long rebuild that needs time. Now 2 games in people already want him out. We won't get anywhere with sacking a manager every (two) year(s).
His first season at Ajax wasn't the Ajax we (or rather, people outside The Netherlands) all know now. He had his struggles in his first season there too. His style of football takes a lot of coaching and time. Time he probably won't get, I mean look at the fans already coming for his head in this forum, but I hope the club keeps backing him.
A fair criticism on him is his (in)activity on the transfer market, but this is also a mistake from the club. In Amsterdam Overmars did most of that, ETH didn't really have a lot of say other than approving a transfer and telling Marc get me this type of player. I feel like the club should not have given ETH this power over recruitment, but I guess the manager is some deity in England that should hold all the reins. Isn't Murtough supposed to have a role in this too with his high position? On the other hand I can relate to ETH being stubborn because this club has got a horrible track record when it comes to transfers for the last decade and before the season started everyone seemed to be in agreement that we should give ETH what HE wants. Anyways, this will be a tough season but everybody knew that beforehand. The closer we got to the season, the more fans kept hyping themselves up, but you can't change this team overnight. Not in one pre-season. Not in one transfer window. Pipe down and give ETH the time he deserves.
The thing that made me laugh today is I've even seen certain people talk about Pochettino being the answer as if he didn't fail at Spurs too eventually. "But he didn't got the funds he needed", yeah? So basically just like ETH at this moment. Yes, the money is reserved for FDJ but even after that transfer, there's so much more we still need. Besides, Poch couldn't even let a team with Neymar, Messi and Mbappe sparkle ffs.
These are also the same people that are shitting on ETH now for being an "inexperienced manager" as if he and his Ajax teams didn't completely outplay Juve, Real, Dortmund, and even went toe to toe with Bayern, Chelsea and Spurs. He has accolades and proven to be a good coach but you can't expect him to turn this shitshow around in two months. Which is what nobody expected him to do to begin with, but now we truely see once again how inept these lot are when trying to play possession based football yet we lay part of the fault on him. But there is not a lot he can do with this squad that he inherited from two managers that also couldn't sort it out with these players. They aren't good enough at this moment, but the team is very thin and we can't overhaul the team, so what can he really say other than "we will try to do it with what we have". I feel for him. Before the summer started everyone knew this would be a project, a long rebuild that needs time. Now 2 games in people already want him out. We won't get anywhere with sacking a manager every (two) year(s).
Playing out the back was the decision of the players, and mainly De Gea. Ten Hag have coached the on how to play out the back as a main start, and to decide if there is a need to play pass first press or leng ball. If oppo’s go man-to-man all over the pitch like Brentford did, there will be four v four after a long ball.
De Gea had a mare, he persisted with Plan A even when they manmarked and he had sun in his eyes, to Ten Hags visual and uttered frustration, and when he eventually decided for a long kick out, he waved all the players up the pitch, effectively snuffing out our chance of using their high man-v-man press against them and letting them cluster at the back to whin the long ball and counter us. He has a learning curve, that Dave of ours.
No, seem happy with the money and fame. Trophies is a bonus that most are not interested in.
Most of them midtable players getting played top dollars. Zero mentality and pride.
Just curious. Do you think the rest of the team will want to stay on that team? The team that plays badly game after game because the manager needs time to figure out who isn't a good player?
How long ago was it that he was chosen as the next manager? Did he never watch a single game last year? Did he never look at any tape? What does he do during the week? Does the team practice?
We've already settled that he doesn't look at other teams to choose players and only wants the ones he knows personally. Does he ever talk to another human?
Is manager in the dutch league a part time job?
I believe, that's a side effect of being on a huge contract while the road to a meaningful trophy is very far away.
I think if you compare the highest salary per position on the field, The starters at Manchester united must be in the top 5 for every position
These feckers won’t like this one bit, they’ll throw him under the bus on Monday, just watch. They stand to lose nothing by getting hammered.
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