Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Oh Please, we have had a disaster of a epl campaign breaking all bad records with a zeor style of play ! ETH managed to arrange and get some winners back when he changed his style and reverted more to a counter attacking team, a total complete different style from what he wants and tried to implement that left us exposed all season ! But yes we are professional moanerd because we wanted a manager who had the worse league finish in the last 30 years, a GD-1, record number of losses etc etc GONE. You simpluy cant back up someone you dont beleive in. Remember when Utd gave OLE his second contract? and people liek shout spouted the same shit as above? What happened? he failed and got sacked and the club had to even compensate him more.
It is not about rewarding the manager. It's about what is the best chance of the decision made being a success. You, like so many others don't like the decision so are pissed off.
You'd see that if you weren't blinded by disliking ETH. If you don't get some objectivity you will have an awful season next year and just keep whining, regardless.
Some of the fans are so twisted by this stance they couldn't fully enjoy that FA cup win. Which is mental, because as a 50 year old, that was such a good individual moment. Up there with the highest of highs a football fan can get.
Perfectly said
If you think he just handed over a list and wasn’t involved in the final price you’re nuts
There is no point in keeping Ten Hag if we don’t properly back him.
Based on how the season went, the ‘review’ and ensuing uncertainty was warranted.
It probably got really close to sacking him.
The benefit of keeping Ten Hag would be to continue the process started instead of focusing on short term results. He continued the process this season despite the injury crisis which cost us in the league.
To do that you need to back the manager. The other choice is to sack him and start over again. We tried that over and over.
Keeping him without renewing his contract isn’t going to work. The media are relentlessly trying to tear him and us down; now that they have recovered from being completely in the wrong they are fully at it again.
Remember he can still be dismissed, new contract or not. But importantly l, it shows the club backs him and takes the wind out of the sails of disgruntled players that should not be here and the media.
I was referring to to the 'two seasons two trophies' thing.i would rather the team played effective football,won no trophy and came fifth.
Don’t feed it, I think he broke.You are truly the best troll on here.
That sounds plausible, I’m happy he fecked off though.
False. You have given a few examples of 1 player getting sold / injured and team plays a certain way, fair enough.
What you are ignoring is that Manutd didn't have 1 injury did they?
Stop making it seem as if it was 1 player we were missing, when in fact it wasn't.
We started the season 2 of our signings injured, Mount and Hojlund, so we have no striker at all. Then we had Sancho and Anotny issues to deal with, so the team is a mess at the start of the season, I hope you understand that bit.
like 6 games into a season, we have no LB because Shaw and Malacia injured, along with our LCB, when our manager has clearly said, he prefers left footed CB, let alone left footed LB. So we are playing Ambrabat, someone who has just walked in the door at LB.
I hope fans understand that to work on a system that works, you need to work on it in training, how can you when the players coming in are so late in the window and are injured?
Then in the middle of the season we have Lisandro, Shaw, Lindelof, Maguire, Varane injured so we go to West Ham with Kambala and Evans. Now, show me a club where they are relying on 5th and 6th choice CB pairings and winning all these trophies? Add to that the CDM Casemiro injured too.
Yeah injuries you may see as an excuse but I want you show me examples of this and teams winning leagues, because you said there have been examples.
What does effective football mean?
Everyone has their own opinion on what is "effective" football. Manutd have always been a team that played football to win.
So you would rather not win trophies?
As should anyone consdering the sitation we're in. But people would rather fixate on a domestic cup than on actual progress. Ole was so right about this.
WTF is this ?
The FA Cup win was great. I certainly enjoyed it. Not sure why any United fan wouldn’t.
I don’t dislike ETH at all. He seems a nice enough guy and it would be great if he succeeds. If he turns it around, I’ll be delighted and acknowledge that the board was right to keep him . In no way shape or form should he be getting a new contract though until he has evidenced that he is turning it around.
Your entire basis for saying we should give him a new contract seems to be premised on it being necessary to do so because he was so bad last season that he nearly got sacked. As such, you think he has to have a new contract to protect him in the event it goes badly to show faith and avoid the players thinking he’s a dead duck. I really shouldn’t need to explain how deeply flawed this reasoning is.
No, it's not flawed. You sack him or back him. A lame duck will most likely be a weaker manager of a modern football team with the level of player power.
I’m sure the fans of Chelsea, Newcastle, Pool and Cheaty are delighted. We fecked them all this season:
- knocked Newcastle out of Europe
- bumped Chelsea into conference league
- ruined Pools farewell tour for Klopp
- ruined Cheaty’s ‘double-double’
The downside of my actions in this thread in the last 6-7 months is that everyone seems to think I'm on a constant wind up now. I'm not, I actually intend to be serious here and support the coach.
On this particular topic, he was a very harsh disciplinarian in his first season I thought, punishing players for every misstep. He pushed Ronaldo out, punished Rashford for being late, fell out with Sancho etc. He became a bit mellow in his second year I thought and would tolerate more than he needed, with only Amad and Varane being frozen out.
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how is effective football effective if it doesnt win trophies or can only finish 5th? doesnt sound that effective to me.
And is it effective football if Man United finish 5th?
This sounds like airy fairy jargon like “corporate values” or “best practise” that are ambiguous, sound like something you should want but don’t tell us anything.
What people are confusing is where we are right now to where we want to get to. We want to be challenging for league and CL, but haven’t done it in over a decade. Even looking at our squad , it needs alot of work.
I expect a very different season with ETH, probably closer to the first one when we hit that sweet period. Last season was an anomaly, that’s what INEOs and many fans feel so we get to see now if ETH can build on both seasons , including the awful one we’ve just had.
What exactly is Ten Hag‘s “process” ….tbh after £400m spent I’ve yet to find out what it is?
Effective is not the best word. But at this point in time it would be far more beneficial to us to play coherent football with clearly defined play style that we can build upon. Think Klopp when he first arrived. It doesn't have to be consistent until we get the signings right but it would still be much more valuable than the shitshow we produced last season and winning a domestic cup. "Two trophies in two years" doesn't tell us anything about where we actually stand right now, that's the problem with it.
What's "The 'bee noise' dressing room mickey-takers"?
When will people realize criticizing a manager does not mean they hate him?He may be a standup guy who sings at kids' birthdays,but this should not absolve him from criticism when he delivers crap performances. We should support the club,not the manager.
Worrying hearing murmurings about a small transfer budget. Not expecting to spend 400m but damn this squad needs improving else the season is a write off regardless of who’s in charge
I provided those examples because, as I said in my post, the less credible injury argument is that United can't perform without Lisandro Martinez (add Luke Shaw there too if you want) because he's super important to 'the way Ten Hag wants to play.' This argument was made many times in the earlier part of the season and is one of the reasons why there is backlash against bringing up injuries.
As for the effect of multiple injuries, I provided an example earlier. Real Madrid had a serious injury crisis in 21/22, here is an article in The Athletic: Real Madrid and their extraordinary injury crisis.
There were similarities between that season and United's season. The team's most important center back (Sergio Ramos) missed 22 league games. The team's most important full back (Dani Carvajal) missed 23 league games. His substitute(s) both missed 12 league games. Eden Hazard, signed to be one of the main attacking players, missed 22 league games. Madrid had something like 65 injuries that season. All these injuries meant they had to field strange lineups some times, the back four was constantly changing based on availability, they had to play youth teamers and cast-offs for CB and FB positions, etc. All similar issues as United.
But they performed well. They reached CL semis (which was an improvement on the previous two seasons when they crashed out in R16) and competed in the league until the last day. Now, did the injuries have an impact? Of course they did. The play was worse, the wins were more of a struggle, and when faced with a legitimately tough team (Chelsea in the CL semis) they were played off the pitch. They also didn't win the league, unlike the previous season (think there was a 4-5 point difference).
I don't think anyone has ever argued that injuries don't matter at all. The pushback is against the idea that there is a linear relationship between number of injuries and points lost, and that managers have no room to maneuver when it comes to injuries. You can judge a manager on their ability to maneuver around injuries, their tactical flexibility, etc. Even the great ones. They can be bad at it. You can then judge whether their benefits outweight that negative.
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That has me intrigued as well.
That is where they need to be ruthless in selling people. Also now have to be really smart in buying, the past mistakes are now catching up with us. Don't let other teams take you for mugs. Also they cannot let ETH chose the players he has worked with or witness in Netherlands. They really need to just give him options to chose from.
I just don't beelieve it
They must be referring to the alleged "bad influences" in the dressing room, those who have downed tools and "turned on" the manager, undermining him.
Can't shake feeling that we've just delayed the inevitable. I don't want to think so negatively but can't see anything else happening.
If we're lingering outside the top 4 in November, are people going to remember the FA Cup win, or that we finished 8th? 2 months ago it seemed certain he was gone and 70% or more wanted that to happen. It'll quickly become like that again if/when we start losing games again in the early season.
If I were United I would drag out these new contract talks until December in case they want to U-turn
If we're lingering outside the top 4 in November, are people going to remember the FA Cup win, or that we finished 8th? 2 months ago it seemed certain he was gone and 70% or more wanted that to happen. It'll quickly become like that again if/when we start losing games again in the early season.
If I were United I would drag out these new contract talks until December in case they want to U-turn
Probably the piss takers who are constantly arsing about and being unserious even though the team was playing shit. I’d imagine as a coach under scrutiny, you’d want your players to get their heads down and stop piss arsing about to get themselves and their team out of the slump. Dick about when you’re playing well, not when you’re leaking goals and everyone’s injured.
To be fair we’ve already invested £400m without recouping much. We probably need to sell a few players to raise money now.
I think some improvement will have to come internally, we have several young players who should be getting better and some of the expensive signings like Mount, Antony may come good still.
The only issue with selling players is the ones we were trying to offload last year are actually the ones that were the most reliable during the season, so I’m not sure anymore whether we will still be looking at selling them… and we don’t have that many assets that can fetch a good price in the market.
I would think the only thing that makes sense is they've discussed a new contract with more performance related clauses (would imagine related to termination but also bonus/incentives/extensions) and the removal of his transfer veto.
He can perform, he showed that first season and in flashes this. If they can get him to buy into a performance related contract, with a reduced input in transfers then it could benefit us greatly. It removes the responsibility for the squad from him and could be a way to end player power. The players are going to be a senior management issue, and will gain less from acting against the manager.
He can perform, he showed that first season and in flashes this. If they can get him to buy into a performance related contract, with a reduced input in transfers then it could benefit us greatly. It removes the responsibility for the squad from him and could be a way to end player power. The players are going to be a senior management issue, and will gain less from acting against the manager.
We’ll soon see who’s been speaking shite, the journalist’s saying there’s hardly any money or that guy on Twitter everyone was posting who said FFP wouldn’t be an issue and we could spend up to £300m this summer and still be fine.
Alexthelion is a fully paid up Glazer stooge.
I’m surprised anyone pays his opinions any attention after the way he conducted himself during the protests a couple of years ago.
Your response is personal, and that's rather pointless. As a member of the staff team, I commend you and colleagues on maintaining what is an excellent, excellent platform. But please keep matters football related ok.
Last season we were average at best, consistently abject and shockingly poor at times. ETH has shown little or no ability to take this football club onto the next level. I challenge you or anyone to suggest otherwise. This great cup win, this tactical masterclass right? Maybe watch the game again because I hope that isn't the blueprint of next season. Is that what you want?
Coventry City were inches from deservedly knocking us out.
But hey, let's forget that, ignore realism.
Daft, personal comments made to members of the forum serve no purpose at all. I'm more interested in the facts.
One of the reasons for keeping him though is apparently how much the players like him. As such, aren’t they going to try harder for him if they know they are playing for his future?
Anyway, we aren’t going to agree on this. I’m confident that giving him a new contract will make no difference to our prospects this season. A shame that things can’t play out in alternative universes, so we will never know who is right! Hopefully performances improve and render the discussion redundant in any event.
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