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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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So it’s all on the players and their 360s again?
can we expect high pressing football now given thats what he promised when he arrived or do we need to finiush 10th with a carling cup for that to kick in
spot on.....weve been hoodwinked by one game im afraid and fallen for it hook line and sinker
spot on.....weve been hoodwinked by one game im afraid and fallen for it hook line and sinker
100%
He said the club has no standards and you called him a muppet? How is that giving it back?are you olé? I'm just given it back.
I'm just a random on a forum
Don't think so, most here who backed him believe it was all just injuries so with less injuries we should be top 4 again. A few signings to replace gaps and we're good to progress.
I think it's probably the sensible way too, no point throwing money at ETH as he'll be under review. We've enough players who have had decent prior seasons, they'll get the same benefit of the doubt Ten Hag has been given.
You don't conduct a review into a manager that you have complete trust and faith in. And if you do, you certainly don't go interviewing other people for their position. This isn't normal, even under these circumstances.
They knew what the right outcome should've been and have bottled the decision because they couldn't get what they felt was the right replacement over the line. It's pretty transparent.
After last year's despair I was hoping we would find his heir, but Erik in the chair is what they declare. I just hope we dare to act if he's having a mare.
Which shows that football is more than just trophies. They're important but definitely not the be all end all for some
Then you don’t understand negotiating. There is always a trade off in negotiation, unless one of the parties decides enough is enough.
Posters like you deserve Southgate in January.
Sounds familiar...
Literally what fans cry out for.. to be heard, have influence..
If not why the feck do you wear a jersey go to games or if not watch them.
We as fans should have an influence. We keep the gravy train going. We are the lifeblood of a football club.
No fans. No club.
Simples
Maybe but what this has assured is that our next manager will be Sir Gareth.
Harsh on @Leftback99
How about you just go and eat some hay. I can make things out of clay and lay by the bay, I just may, what do ya say?
They didn't have complete trust and faith in him.
That is obvious. No one here is trying to say Ineos had complete trust and faith in ten hag. They still probably don't. But they have concluded after a thorough audit that he is a lesser risk than what is available and are preferring to see if he turns the tide than roll the dice elsewhere.
Why is that so difficult to understand? Perhaps your premise was under a flawed assumption that the owners always had full faith in him from day one, which was never the narrative from anyone.
This idea from jordan that you don't conclude to stick with what you've got after a full internal and external evaluation is such stupidity.
Many of my posts were obviously sarcastic but honestly up until just before FA Cup final I genuinely believed he was safe and that they were going to support him. The leaks prior to the final made me change my mind and led me to believe he would go but the outcome of that game seems to have changed the course and lead back to what I had initially believed to be the case.
I think given that he survived last season he’s in it for the long haul and barring a disaster he will be for years. If he can deliver European spot every year (even EL/ECL) there won’t be many questions asked.
Injuries are unpredictable. Based on what we saw last season and the underlying numbers if a couple of big players got injured then we are more likely to finished 10th rather than 4th
“I stay”
He's going to have a great season, I have complete faith.
I'd agree with this. iNEOs are all over the place
The decision has been made so let's get behind the manager and his team.
I'm old enough to have been following MUFC results since the 1960's so have seen worse seasons than 23-24, much worse. However, good times followed bad times and we should all be wishing the manager and his team well as we hope for a return to some good times.
Isn't that what being a fan is about - sticking with the team through bad and good.
I'm old enough to have been following MUFC results since the 1960's so have seen worse seasons than 23-24, much worse. However, good times followed bad times and we should all be wishing the manager and his team well as we hope for a return to some good times.
Isn't that what being a fan is about - sticking with the team through bad and good.
Yeah but the cup final wasn't cak football. It just wasn't insanely open.
We are plenty capable of playing well out of a compact, disciplined, mid block. We beat Barcelona season before last doing just that and the second goal we scored against City wasn't just a ball over the top.
What I want from Ten Hag is not scraping wins but just not being f'n stupid and letting Bournemouth have 20 odd shots at Old Trafford. Pragmatic doesn't need to be ugly.
Have you ever ran a business?
Their are variables, I knew Eth was under pressure because the of the cost to man utd to replace him - it was actually cheaper to fire him.
Interestingly, if they are a good business - I'd expect one player to be sold before England play on Sunday.
I was vocally ETH out from Christmas to early May 24, however after the Fa Cup win and the manner of the Victory with the players clearly playing for him, I changed my mind and I started to like his snarky comments of; “If they don’t want me, I’ll go win trophies else where because that’s what I Do!”
Now let’s be real here this is not good or bad news, the club finished 8th with a negative GD but he has a real chance to redeem himself.
ETH has shown he can be far too stubborn in certain situations so he has to learn from his mistakes and he must learn quickly. These are the following actions that the club and ETH must do in the coming months;
1. Remove all of the players who are not part of the new era going forward, Greenwood, Sancho, Pellistri, DVB,
C Eriksen, Casemiro, Hannibal Mejbri, Lindelof and Antony.
2. Establish the new players who will come in to improve the squad and move quickly, some players like Branthwaite, Todibo, Elise can be bought without the issues of the Euros, so they can be bought quickly and taken on tour, we should see at least 2/3 transfers confirmed by beginning of July.
3. Sort out a 3 + 1 year new contract for Bruno and make him our highest paid player but tell him we will sell him if he the club receives £125m offer from Saudi Arabia.
4. Make sure Jason Wilcox continues to directly work and manage ETH not Dan Ashworth, he’s not here and won’t be here for 2/3 months
Jason Wilcox needs to explain to ETH he’s very much on trial and he needs to have a very good pre season and make sure United are 100% ready for the new season as he will be reviewed monthly with regards to all results on the field.
5. I think ETH might already have a good working relationship with Wilcox already and it’s no coincidence the last 3 or 4 results and performances of the season were much better but still nowhere near good enough.
6. We need to make a decision on Amrabat and invest in a physical elite Defensive Midfielder, we must have these decisions on the Midfield made early so we can get new players to settle into the team pattern and style of play which looks like the club want an attacking 4231 possession based style.
7. We desperately need to go get another elite CFW and asap so ETH has far more squad options, let’s see how he gets on with a full squad and an elite bench of players, he must start making more attacking substitutes and he must be prepared to rotate more next season.
8. Sort out the medical department and have genuine KPI’s set for personal who work in that department at Carington, it’s time to invest in some state of the art oxygen tents for recovery and medical rehabilitation, we can’t have 6 CB’s and all 6 not fit to play.
9. Identify 2 players from the U18/U21 squads and create a pathway to the full team squad. Wilcox should be making recommendations with Nick Cox and ETH also making more time to watch the youth teams now he has less to think about with recruitment and other factors.
10. ETH must be set absolute Targets next season which should be win a domestic or European cup, if he wins a third trophy in 3 years, he will start to be considered again as an Elite coach providing he understand that 19 defeats will never be tolerated again and he should be looking to have a squad that also knows that a club like United should be wining 65% of it matches.
He must ;
Finish in the Top 4 with 75+ points plus. We want to see 70+ Goals scored in the PL and a Positive Goal difference of + 20/25
Jason Wilcox, Dan Ashworth and Omar Berada mist sit down every 9/10 PL games and review on field team performance and league position, and if necessary give him more assistance in the January window.
Now let’s be real here this is not good or bad news, the club finished 8th with a negative GD but he has a real chance to redeem himself.
ETH has shown he can be far too stubborn in certain situations so he has to learn from his mistakes and he must learn quickly. These are the following actions that the club and ETH must do in the coming months;
1. Remove all of the players who are not part of the new era going forward, Greenwood, Sancho, Pellistri, DVB,
C Eriksen, Casemiro, Hannibal Mejbri, Lindelof and Antony.
2. Establish the new players who will come in to improve the squad and move quickly, some players like Branthwaite, Todibo, Elise can be bought without the issues of the Euros, so they can be bought quickly and taken on tour, we should see at least 2/3 transfers confirmed by beginning of July.
3. Sort out a 3 + 1 year new contract for Bruno and make him our highest paid player but tell him we will sell him if he the club receives £125m offer from Saudi Arabia.
4. Make sure Jason Wilcox continues to directly work and manage ETH not Dan Ashworth, he’s not here and won’t be here for 2/3 months
Jason Wilcox needs to explain to ETH he’s very much on trial and he needs to have a very good pre season and make sure United are 100% ready for the new season as he will be reviewed monthly with regards to all results on the field.
5. I think ETH might already have a good working relationship with Wilcox already and it’s no coincidence the last 3 or 4 results and performances of the season were much better but still nowhere near good enough.
6. We need to make a decision on Amrabat and invest in a physical elite Defensive Midfielder, we must have these decisions on the Midfield made early so we can get new players to settle into the team pattern and style of play which looks like the club want an attacking 4231 possession based style.
7. We desperately need to go get another elite CFW and asap so ETH has far more squad options, let’s see how he gets on with a full squad and an elite bench of players, he must start making more attacking substitutes and he must be prepared to rotate more next season.
8. Sort out the medical department and have genuine KPI’s set for personal who work in that department at Carington, it’s time to invest in some state of the art oxygen tents for recovery and medical rehabilitation, we can’t have 6 CB’s and all 6 not fit to play.
9. Identify 2 players from the U18/U21 squads and create a pathway to the full team squad. Wilcox should be making recommendations with Nick Cox and ETH also making more time to watch the youth teams now he has less to think about with recruitment and other factors.
10. ETH must be set absolute Targets next season which should be win a domestic or European cup, if he wins a third trophy in 3 years, he will start to be considered again as an Elite coach providing he understand that 19 defeats will never be tolerated again and he should be looking to have a squad that also knows that a club like United should be wining 65% of it matches.
He must ;
Finish in the Top 4 with 75+ points plus. We want to see 70+ Goals scored in the PL and a Positive Goal difference of + 20/25
Jason Wilcox, Dan Ashworth and Omar Berada mist sit down every 9/10 PL games and review on field team performance and league position, and if necessary give him more assistance in the January window.
Meh. Just a small sample into how the wider football world sees this decision.
Seen reputable fans of other Premier Leagues clubs loving this decision on social media.
Hopefully ETH can prove them and us all wrong. Performances in the league in the last 15 months is strong evidence he can’t.
The performances of his first 5 to 10 league games of 24/25 are critical. If we are still playing the same he’s gone.
That is not transparent one bit. Might be true, but not sure where you can get transparent.
They are still in the middle of getting the club structure set up how they want. The internet/social media effect drives people to think things should happen immediately.
This x 10000%
This has all the echoes of the greenwood decision.
Also, if he remains as stubborn as he was last season, I cant see a change in performances, and then doubt he'll be here for Xmas. I hope not though, and having 'football' people around might make the difference
Also, if he remains as stubborn as he was last season, I cant see a change in performances, and then doubt he'll be here for Xmas. I hope not though, and having 'football' people around might make the difference
As far as I'm concerned, it just delays the inevitable. Hard to root for him tbh
Can you not see why sticking with a manager even the new owners/directors don't believe in could be an issue? Especially when there's talk of handing him a new contract? It's appalling decision making. Hence why Simon Jordan's tweet holds weight, we're still not operating like a serious football club.
So It will be Southgate next November. What an embarrassing club!
I didn’t think I’d be saying this a few months ago…but I think it’s the right decision. Not only is there no outstanding candidates available to replace him. But most importantly for me, the squad seem to be fully behind him. I don’t think it can be underestimated how huge that is. I was surprised actually just how together they were in the celebrations with ETH after the cup final. If he still has them on board, then he has a chance. Next season will be make or break though.
All the scaremongering about Southgate taking over after euros when he has a contract till the end of the year; but now actually this is a possibility. *shudders*
They are waiting for fecking Southgate. Mark my words.
Happy with this outcome. It's the right choice in my opinion, especially when you consider the lack of inspiring options.
Will he need to improve in areas? Yes, obviously. He can't hide behind injured next season. Even if we have them, he needs to adapt to get results in my opinion rather than being super open as we were this year. I assume the new structure will have some input in changes to how they want us to play as well.
I will say that discussions about a contract extension seem a bit premature when he does have some questions marks around him long term. I can understand it only as a protection from players undermining him, but still not ideal.
Will he need to improve in areas? Yes, obviously. He can't hide behind injured next season. Even if we have them, he needs to adapt to get results in my opinion rather than being super open as we were this year. I assume the new structure will have some input in changes to how they want us to play as well.
I will say that discussions about a contract extension seem a bit premature when he does have some questions marks around him long term. I can understand it only as a protection from players undermining him, but still not ideal.
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