it’s not like he won’t accept an extra months notice period if you sack him today.
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Fair points.
I guess Ashworth (or whoever is doing this on his behalf un the meantime)'s job is going to be to sell a vision that isn't reliant on football managers in the traditional sense of the word.
Style of play, direction expectations for the season, transfer incomings and outgoings are all areas that should be set by the new hierarchy, with a head coach simply employed to execute within those parameters.
The only question therefore, is: "who is going to be my boss?". I guess they can share that information with a player they are close to striking a deal with, confidentially, if it is proving to be a dealbreaker. Even if they are still in the midst of deciding between two options, that's a conversation they can have in private with a player and his agent.
The media are the cause for the hype and drama
No. The club are the cause.
They're the ones who spoke to other managers, even before the end of season and right before a cup final, and either didnt predict or didnt care that those managers and their agents would spill the beans.
They're the ones who briefed about doing a season end review that would decide ETH's fate without setting a deadline, and let the whole thing run on and on.
They've failed miserably on press handling and optics. Created a vacuum which then got filled with noise, rumours and predictions.
Alright fair enough mate. Whever anyone uses that term these days it's still associated with Ralf saying the squad need huge turnover 2 years ago. My only point was it's happened not that we still don't need more.
They keep throwing Coaches under er... ...Coaches.
Spare a thought for all those YouTube Man United-related "content" providers who are genuinely scratching the bottom of the barrell for stuff to say at this point 
Spare a thought for all those YouTube Man United-related "content" providers who are genuinely scratching the bottom of the barrell for stuff to say at this point
Tbh I have seen some like United View that don't claim to have sources, they actually say, we just report the journalist stories and discuss it.
Its the likes of United stand that use it for views, click bait, in reality they have as much as idea as we do.
If INEOS genuinely wants Southgate I already have lost hope for them really changing the fortunes of the club. That man has done essentially nothing to deserve that level of reverence besides befriend Brailsford
Or, Tuchel wasn’t convinced.
So you think Southgate would usher in a season of progress?
But right now it can't be Ashworth, who is still under contract at Newcastle. If he talks to players or agents about this to get them to sign for United, Newcastle will sue him and Manchester into oblivion for breach of contract and embezzlement. So it has to be somebody else (Wilcox?), and then the player can't be sure that whatever presumably Wilcox tells him isn't overruled soon by Ashworth. So all these points are still open.
It's not only the manager position that's a problem. The CEO isn't in office yet, the DOF isn't in office yet. Even if we know who they will be, they aren't allowed currently to be involved. That's a lot of uncertainty at the moment.
History of Elizabethan England. Apparently he’s more of a Victoria buff.
This isn't a Moyes sacking the entire backroom staff that helped SAF succeed, type of thing. It's a few weeks after the season has ended.
I get that it's annoying not knowing what the future holds, but we'll get there soon.
I wouldn’t.
He has no leverage right now - the managerial merry go-round is done for all the top clubs. Any other club would be a downgrade and more importantly, pay a lot less. If Bayern or Barca were actually interested in him then it'd be a different story.
Didn’t say I had sympathy for ETH. Just said SJR and crew have not a speck of courage. Not exactly what I would prefer as the managing partner in the club. Make a statement that 8th isn’t good enough and move forward.
The problem is that the case for moving on from ETH is strong, but it's not overwhelming. The case for the top alternatives -- Tuchel, Poch and Frank is not that strong, and the case for Southgate is incredibly weak.
There is no good answer here. What's left is the best of bad options, which is to keep ETH. But here's the dilemma -- ETH will demand a contract extension going into his final year of the contract and if it's not given we can expect another horrific season of performances by players who are playing for a manager at the end of his plan.
Not exactly genius management by INEOS.
There is no good answer here. What's left is the best of bad options, which is to keep ETH. But here's the dilemma -- ETH will demand a contract extension going into his final year of the contract and if it's not given we can expect another horrific season of performances by players who are playing for a manager at the end of his plan.
Not exactly genius management by INEOS.
Ehm, its the conditions that Pep, Klopp and Ancelotti are used to. Tuchel doesnt like others interfearing
Manager FC.
We all seemed to think that INEOS was “putting in a proper structure”, but in retrospect, is that true?
Given that they went out and brought in experienced operators who were under contract, what was the contingency plan if their employers refused to let them leave without fulfilling their leave clause?
This is a critical transfer window. Obviously, if we are in decision paralysis at this critical juncture, they’ve already kinda fecked up.
Basically this. We’d have to back ETH if we keep him to strengthen his position but there’s no argument in favour of doing that.
So that leaves us between a rock and a hard place. I actually think the right decision is to move him on because he doesn’t deserve a new contract and it would set us up for failure to send him into the new season with only a year left on his current deal.
Guy has the most inexplicable level of juice I’ve ever seen. Fantasies of him walking out and being successful elsewhere when the reality is he finished 8th with United. A struggle 6th with Southgate would be an improvement.
- lowest league position since 1989-90.
- lost nine games at Old Trafford this term - their joint-most at home in a season.
- conceded a club-record 58 goals in a Premier League season.
- ended a league campaign with a negative goal difference for the first time since 1989-90
Save it mate, they don't want to hear it.
I agree but that's why it's so important to make the 'right' choice now instead of just commiting to someone without considering all the intricacies that you will need to make it work. I'd imagine the board are thinking about 10 steps down the line rather than 'okay let's get xyx manager in/stick with ETH and focus on the 4-6 transfers we need this summer'. They're probably thinking 1) what about January? 2) what about if we have a poor start to the season? 3) what managerial options will there be available? 4) what about transfer targets in 24-25? 5) what's the plan to stick with ETH, do we offer a new contract and plan this for the next 3-4 years? etc etc.
You don't make a 'bad' and quick choice now, only to commit to another couple hundred million in transfers for the next year or so and then reset if it doesn't go well.
Makes me wonder with all this dithering if it was INEOS longing out the club sale process
I think that whole process is pretty much what we can expect from the club moving forward.
Ineos did communicate to the fans, but only rarely, and it seems like they had a price in mind and didn’t move from that too much. They also were not in any seeming rush to get anything done, focusing on getting it right, under their terms, or as close as, and feck everything else.
TBH as frustrating as that is for us fans when we all know the major work that needs doing, it’s probably the best approach for us at the moment. We don’t have an endless pot of cash, and rashness has been one of our main issues for the last 10 years.
But he reached CL semis half a decade ago.
Spare a thought for all those YouTube Man United-related "content" providers who are genuinely scratching the bottom of the barrell for stuff to say at this point
Absolutley zero sympathy for them
Yup. We also had someone in this thread consistently pulling ITK facts out of their arse, fooling a bunch of people into believing that they knew what was going on, only for them to finally get called out by numerous posters and subsequently running away from the forum since last Wednesday.
I know, thats how bad it was - I still look at this team and see players that are just not good enough or even worse, players that just don't get stuck in or graft.
Spare a thought for all those YouTube Man United-related "content" providers who are genuinely scratching the bottom of the barrell for stuff to say at this point
This is the case every year during transfer season. The web is flooded with so many Twitter and YouTube accounts that they have to manufacture sensationalism to avoid losing visitors.
Antony Casemiro 0nana…..I know I keep on parroting this but Southgate hinted that he is leaving after the Euros, and the links between him and ineos are strong. So I think he will be the next manager and will have another season like we had with Moyes.
It's a given that if the end result this summer is that ETH stays, whatever they brief about it, Southgate will be taking over sometime next season, as soon as Ineos get the opportunity or excuse to.
Why Southgate? Serious question. Ornstein is among those who have played him down as a considered candidate.
I cannot for the life of me understand why this is taking so long.
I can see De Zerbi taking over from Pep next summer if someone doesn't pick him before then.
Jonny Evans, Bruno, Luke Shaw, Licha…
You forgot a couple points.
- suffered the most injuries
- beat Pool and Cheaty to win FA cup in style
- has the players and fans behind him
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