You did not understand what I said. What I mean in simple language is " ETH now have proper people to report to. People who demand good performance and result. The glazers are not football people, they are businessmen and Fletcher does not have that power to question ETH
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Sounds like some House of Commons type of crap
They're right to be patient and to complete a deep and full review here. It's not like the possible successors to Ten Hag have clubs queuing up for them.
We've traded one dysfunctional ownership model for another. Seriously not a good look for the people running the club to not have a shared vision on how to move forward.
It is entirely possible that the "review" entails a lot more than the manager, which if true would be a good idea. That said, this needs to come to a conclusion very soon so that whatever the results of the review may be the to-do items can be put into motion. Last week I wrote that Tuesday (today) would be about right to announce the decision on ten Hag and I stick to that, but this may drag on through when ten Hag comes back from vacation, which presumably is this weekend, so that he may be informed in person first and then the announcement can be made, rather than letting him know by text or phone call while he's on vacation.
Only we can turn a managerial keep or sack decision into a Shakespearean play.
He wanted full control over transfers when he joined and has started building his own team, you cannot interrupt this in the middle of the process. If you refuse to buy him his own targets and instead fill the team with the players he didn’t ask for, you can’t expect him to perform better.
They should have give some of us the 'for Ten Hag' and 'against Ten Hag' roles. I reckon we'd have had their heads spinning.
What a load of nonsense. That Jacobs guy has no idea.
This is the bloke who said it was nailed on that Qatar would buy the club so yeah, pinch of salt maybe.
Well obviously, but don't let the truth get in the way of a few clicks.
The majority of journalists haven't a clue what's going on. The reputable ones are putting out vague pieces covering all bases, presumably under pressure from their editors to get some clicks.
Don't think he did this.
Sure, but why wait until the end of the season? They've had the keys to the castle since February and plenty of access under the hood since the beginning of the diligence period over a year ago.
I mean this is just a joke, whether you are for or against.
Its something you see in primary school.
You don't just give any old manager time. Doing that to a manager that isn't good enough is a 100% guarantee of failure, far more than changing managers is. And it's incredibly clear that all of our previous managers were not good enough, so utilising them in an argument to say that sacking them didn't work so we shouldn't sack any further managers is a terrible argument. The decision to keep ETH has to be based on ETH himself, not some imaginary scenario where if we'd kept Moyes/LVG/Mourinho/Ole they would have turned things around and we'd be successful which is effectively what you are doing.
If INEOS (or to be more exact the people they hire to make those decisions) judge that ETH isn't good enough, it'd be utterly idiotic to keep him just because sacking previous incompetent managers didn't work.
We all know the strengths and weaknesses. But if his strength outweighs his weakness, then keep him. Personally, I see poch as a spurs manager and Tuchel as a Chelsea manager. Zerbi will have worst problem that ETH( He is a one tactic coach). ETH gave us 2 trophies in 2 seasons, played in 3 cup finals. So many of our fans in the last six years have not celebrated a trophy. He seems to know how to handle the youths, he seems to want to bring in a disciplined dressing room, he is knowledgeable in the game and looks like a gentleman. He is saying injury destroyed his season and we can attest to it at least. Liverpool were 5/6th last season because of injury and nobody was calling for klopps Head simply because of his antecedent. ETH deserves another season. Sacking him would be a foolish decision and will take us backwards. Give him Defenders who can suit his pattern and I can guarantee you we will be in top 3 next season. I am confident we are better than spurs, Liverpool changed a manager and should be weaker. Well, I like ETH but I know those that wants him out won't e em change their mind with my epistle. So we will just wait and see. I will always wish the team the best
Yeah it is ridiculous. If they're all for, or against, just make a fecking decision. To be honest I'm calling bullshit on this one. I don't know if he's more reliable that that Phil De Brun, or whatever he's called, but he said Blanc wanted to give him another year but Wilcox and Brailsford disagreed. So contradicting stories straight away.
But also, why would you have the two non footballing guys in Brailsford and Blanc carrying this out? It's just ridiculous.
well tbh, some in this thread are acting like one
To be fair United fans in general are way more patient than the fans of most big clubs. And what the fans think or say doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. After 2 years it's fair game for a fan to be pissed off with the lack of progress.
Yeah. I don't really think some of us are bothered with sacking or not sacking. It's the replacements. If we are been linked with Guardiola or Ancelloti. Some of us will be calmer. But Tuchel or zerbi is a risk
They aren't. It's just lazy name calling by opposition schools of thoughts that don't have a case of their own.
No, I think you don't get my point, I never said none of those managers should be sacked, they deserved to be sacked.
The way we operate, Ten Hag, his successor and so on will suffer the same fate.
Look back from LVG, Jose, they didnt get backed. Your response will say "they got £x million" so they got backed. However; that is not backing, spending useless money isnt backing. Jose wanted Martial and Shaw out, got Alexis half way through for fun.
Ole wanted Rice, Haaland, Jude, Grealish, Sancho, yes he got Sancho but he also got Diallo, Donny, Cavani, Ighalo instead.
Ten Hag wanted McTominay, Maguire gone and wanted a FDJ type player, got Casemiro, Weghorst, Sabitzer and Evans on loan.
Whilst he got Antony and others, you cant expect any manager to mix and match.
Look at the times they got those players as well, end of the window, so the manager has no pre season to integrate them.
I disagree.The excuses trotted out by those who refuse to accept that he is a substandard manager are pathetic.The litany of excuses run the gamut from 'lengthy injury list ' to 'new style of play' to 'poor structure' and the latest I have seen is 'doesn't understand the currency'.
But his fans do not bother to explain why the likes of Newport,Coventry and even Sheffield gave him a hard time(I will not mention the thrashings by epl teams).They cannot explain the poor substitutions leading to loss of points in the dying minutes of games or even the buying of duds like Anthony.
All we hear is that he will do better next season.Will the new guys at INEOS handle substitutions?Will they intervene when he employs his suicide donut formation where the midfield is a yawning hole?What guarantees are there that there will be no injuries to Martinez and Shaw or even Bruno?As a well-paid professional why is Ten Hag unable to adapt when there are forced changes to the playing unit? These are matters that any manager worth his salt should be able to handle. If he is not sacked and he is getting thrashed again next season I am sure his support base is preparing another excuse-'taking time to adjust to the new structure'.
Everyone's been busy playing football, and I imagine rather than wading in like a fanny, they've decided to take their time.
It's not like we're sabotaging next season or anything; there's nothing to lose as far as I can see...other than some bullshit image of "being decisive".
We can't move ahead with our transfers or prep plans for next season the longer this drags on. We need to know who the manager will be.
No point getting ETH to plan everything out just to fire him in a few weeks.
Agreed, but we carry on as if its only the manager to blame. Look at the arguments we have been having for 2 years.
Is Rashford good enough
Is Maguire good enough
Is Shaw good enough
Is AWB good enough
Is Lindelof good enough
Is McT good enough
Is Bruno good enough
Is Martial good enough
They all have 3/4 good game and yes they are good enough, then 3 months later we are having the same argument.
These conversations for most of the players have been going on for 6 years yet ofcourse, its the manager who need to worry about.
Yeah take what he says with a pinch of salt and all that. Still won't stop people from overreacting to reports.
Name me 1 manager that gets 100% signings that come off.
So you think Poor structure and injuries are just and excuse and have no relevance to our season?
If you think the structure has nothing to do with it, why hasn't any manager since 2013 been able to challenge for the PL or CL?
"To be sacked, or not to be sacked, that is the question"
Also all of those clubs don’t have a history of dithering in the market anyways. And Arsenal are going to wrap up Sesko soon, and Chelsea have already snagged Estevao and are wrapping up Tosin while also possibly taking the lead on Olise.
The manager is never the only one to blame, every United fan knows about the Glazers. But how the team performs game to game is ultimately the managers responsibility. Did we have a giant hole where our midfield should have been and got overrun in the middle of the pitch all season because of the Glazers. No it was because of Ten Hag. Yes there has been issues at the club which have not helped managers but that doesn't mean the managers have been good enough either.
As for is player xyz good enough. Maybe or maybe not, same with every players at every club.
Lets be clear, there's no excusing the league position. If you bothered to properly analyse the school of thought that some posters had, you'd see that.
But you're too busy endorsing childish name calling, peddling hyperbole and creating an over exaggerated narrative.
Who carries on like it's only the manager to blame? That's quite a generalisation.
Not only do I want Ten Hag replaced, I've said multiple times I'm sick of lazy ass Rashford, Martial should've been sold years ago, Maguire was never good enough, McTominay is painfully bang average and should've been sold years, ago, and AWB is a shite full back.
Our failures are obviously caused by numerous factors. Manager, players, previous CEOs, and owners.
The only ones who act like any of them are good enough are the weird knee jerkers who change their opinion whenever we win/lose
I can already guess another one " the board didn't show total confidence in him after the FA cup win, so how can you expect him to be motivated to work hard for them?"
Oh look these clubs make deals happen before the window. Look at Chelsea, they wrapped up Estevao during the season but the caf will say, no we can't talk to players before 14th June.
Name me a top club that is fighting for top honours that has 7/8 regular starters that they argue is / isnt good enough for 6 years.
I mean I am not sure how many posts you have seen on here but plenty are saying that its on the manager only and the structure is just an excuse.
Things like its not the owners or structure who selects the team and choses formation, is incorrect.
I respect posts like this where they actually hold others other than just the manager accountable. How many more years will we see Maguire, Scott, Lindelof, AWB, Rashford before we realise they need to go.
The problem is, if we dont replace those, they always find a way into the playing 11 as they are the backups, so when we need to rotate or injuries occur, they have to play. If we just replaced Maguire, Lindelof, AWB, Rashy, Martial, with more hungry, technical players, do you not think it would be beneficial to the club as a whole?
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