Yes. Liverpool are very well set up for the high press transition football we've been supposedly trying to ape over the last few years and always abandon since our squad isn't well suited at the moment
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Yes. Liverpool are very well set up for the high press transition football we've been supposedly trying to ape over the last few years and always abandon since our squad isn't well suited at the moment
Because that’s what the club are briefing. Because they don’t want the decision to look like it was made and the axe falling so close to the final
It's not a about his performances as a manager it's about their new project and the club reset.
ETH isn't their guy and they don't need to keep him just because of emotional fans sentiments.
It needs to be a logical and cold decision based on how they want to rebuild the club.
Mainoo and Garnacho were at the club before ten hag and will be there after.
Thank you for the trophies but united are not a cup team respectfully.
Once the hype dies from the final hopefully the giddy Ten Hag lovers will take a look at the table once more and are reminded of the champions league. Performances vs Palace etc.
He is going.
Decision made and rightfully so.
INEOS want to make their own mistakes.
ETH isn't their guy and they don't need to keep him just because of emotional fans sentiments.
It needs to be a logical and cold decision based on how they want to rebuild the club.
Mainoo and Garnacho were at the club before ten hag and will be there after.
Thank you for the trophies but united are not a cup team respectfully.
Once the hype dies from the final hopefully the giddy Ten Hag lovers will take a look at the table once more and are reminded of the champions league. Performances vs Palace etc.
He is going.
Decision made and rightfully so.
INEOS want to make their own mistakes.
With the shit house name calling toward him that's not true. There are tons of post with below the belt comments about him from a few here. Thankfully it's just a few, and overall fan sentiment is better than that.
Right and what have they got to show for it? Newcastle have no european football next year, Chelsea in the conference league, Spurs won feck all. We have an FA Cup and are playing the Europa league next year.
You would hope that those decisions are made by experts who are significantly more knowledgeable than the average fan.
Probably haven't been historically at this club but that should be the plan.
This is bit is why I have no idea McKenna is an option.
But when a significant majority of the fanbase has a particular sentiment its damning. It's not like INEOS have form for starting with good decisions at the clubs they manage.
That is true yes but the club and the fans should be aligned. You can’t just suggest they totally disregard the views of the fans.
They managed to perform better than us on a weekly basis. Showing it is possible.
1 FA Cup does not completely erase looking completely inept on the pitch for nearly 18 months.
Actually it does
Those who want him gone and want to restart the managerial cycle once again should remember success isn't guaranteed under someone else - you'd think we'd have learnt that by now.
What makes you think you know whats best for this club by wanting him to go?
If he goes and if we end up in the same position in two years time, the people wanting him gone can also shut the feck up.
It works both ways.
Don’t rate Ineos this review should have happened already
Imagine EtH out and Southgate in. The meltdown would reach new heights.
Quite rightly.
How on earth could the club and the fans ever be aligned when the fan base is nearly always split on most decisions?
They should hire people with a proven track record in making the right decisions and let them make the decisions. Fan sentiment should be considered in big decisions but not the driving factor, sack Fergie, sell Giggs ect.
I would let him have another year, if he's not in charge of transfers
Worked great with giving Ole the permanent job.
Not really at this point. After a decade plus of buffoonery at the top I want the club to be run like a shrewd machine for once, making decisions that are in the best interest of the club instead of what might garner fan support. I don’t think that’s an extreme view
I see nothing to say it is a significant majority, I see a pretty even split when I speak to people. Either way, the majority of fans have wanted loads of stupid stuff.
If we had a genuine expert in the director of football role the day we beat PSG and he turned around and said "actually Ole stays on as interim and we stick with our plan" then found the next great manager. That would have ultimately been the right decision.
Fans would have gone nuts.
If Ineos are going to listen to the fans before making a decision they're no better than the useless cnuts they've replaced.
They see it like Arteta go for someone young and upcoming willing to take one step back to then make 3 steps forward with their own decision.
I don't know who it will be but that's the logic.
Happy to finish 8th with their guy and the promise of a way of playing they have defined not someone else or someone else's project (eth).
It obviously has, this is just shitty PR.
I think you misremember how many fans actually wanted Ole to get the job (a LOT did), but either way that’s not really my point. I’m saying making good footballing decisions without being swayed by supporters either way.
Southgate would be Moyes 2.0
or perhaps 0.5That's not cold or logical though.
Really? He’s done an absurdly good job getting Ipswich to the PL in 2 years from League One on the back of excellent football using largely what was an average squad.
United history aside it makes sense that he’s an option for INEOS given everything we’ve heard about a long term plan/vision
If he stays or go, that should be done on a season long review and not a good last game.
But I really admire how he carried himself yesterday, he bit back at the journalists who have been disrespectful since the build up to this final. Imagine you’re at your job and before a big meeting, everyone just keeps questioning your motivation and capability, just being empathetic, it’s a disgrace to do so.
It was a pressure cooker just waiting to burst, and this fight or flight mode is really inspiring. Not sure if we’ll be winning leagues if he stays, but we can probably progress well in European cups.
I loved his line on United being an easy prey, all things aside that is actually true.
But I really admire how he carried himself yesterday, he bit back at the journalists who have been disrespectful since the build up to this final. Imagine you’re at your job and before a big meeting, everyone just keeps questioning your motivation and capability, just being empathetic, it’s a disgrace to do so.
It was a pressure cooker just waiting to burst, and this fight or flight mode is really inspiring. Not sure if we’ll be winning leagues if he stays, but we can probably progress well in European cups.
I loved his line on United being an easy prey, all things aside that is actually true.
Then decision should be announced already
Statistically speaking way more people want Ten Hag than like their own family members...
Great job, INEOS! Let's see if you are still dumb enough to feck it up
There’s the rub: we need Ten Hag to say he has learned from the disasterclass that was this season, but there’s no indication he saw anything wrong with having a one-man midfield and giving the opposition the freedom of the pitch to pepper our goal at will.
I was in the same camp more or less but I think the reasons for it make it somewhat plausible
1 - the other options just aren't that good (main reason)
2 - he's just won back to back promotions in his first two full seasons as a manager
3 - has experience at the club
Thing is a proper DOF would not have gone for LVG and then Mourinho meaning no Mates FC later on. It's possible a proper DOF wouldn't have gone for Moyes even with SAF's vote of confidence.
These McKenna rumors are really getting to me, how’s he a candidate ahead of Tuchel/ Poch even.
I’m sure he’s a great manager and one we should be keeping an eye on for the future.
Andre Villas Boas vibes, and we will be ending up nowhere with him at this moment.
We need a charismatic manager for sure, but playing in PL in a tactical system just requires players cut above the rest. I’m not sure we have much quality in the squad and we would be setting him up to fail.
How do you think it’s going to turn up in the media, when he loses some games on the bounce, he’ll be absolutely decimated, can imagine the headlines. Experience is what is needed in these moments.
Once a squad overhaul is in place and Ineos instead of making blanket statements actually deliver some semblance of identity or style of play, we should move for managers like him.
I’m sure he’s a great manager and one we should be keeping an eye on for the future.
Andre Villas Boas vibes, and we will be ending up nowhere with him at this moment.
We need a charismatic manager for sure, but playing in PL in a tactical system just requires players cut above the rest. I’m not sure we have much quality in the squad and we would be setting him up to fail.
How do you think it’s going to turn up in the media, when he loses some games on the bounce, he’ll be absolutely decimated, can imagine the headlines. Experience is what is needed in these moments.
Once a squad overhaul is in place and Ineos instead of making blanket statements actually deliver some semblance of identity or style of play, we should move for managers like him.
Quick, go get Paul Lambert, he's done the same thing. Oh wait, he was sacked by the same club in 2021.
If as reported they're sacking him, then they'll wait for the dust to settle first. If we lost we'd probably know already as nobody would give two shits, such is the fickleness of supporters.
Match going sentiment is significantly for him. Polls significantly for him. Brief from a reputable journalist suggests the same.
That doesn't have anything to do with the point I was making.
It's just an overrated opinion, no worries.
I think you're just putting a lot of significance on a poll the day after we won an FA Cup that is probably largely filled out by none Utd fans who want him to stay.
Anyway, you missed the point. More fans wanted Ole to be our manager the day we beat PSG with all the emotions running high ect. Was that the right call just because it aligned with fans?
Yes, there was an historic injury crisis - but those injuries didn’t happen in vacuum; they were the result of his training regimen, his coaching, and his in game tactics (mostly- some were contact injuries in games). With all the data science and medical metrics it was obvious when players were overtraining. The muscle injuries were to be expected.
I’m more concerned with Ten Hag’s disastrous recruitment of players like Malacia, Antony, Onana, and his stubbornly devotion to them. He didn’t alter tactics to suit the personnel available, and he never figured out a way for attacking patterns to result in predictable chances created; everything was Bruno pulling off an outrageous assist.
I never saw Ten Hag adapt or adjust our approach to counter something in a game. Everything was delayed and reactive. Maybe he can’t say in a presser that we were poor, but him repeatedly assuring everyone we played as hoped - when we were fecking dire - is alarming.
I’m more concerned with Ten Hag’s disastrous recruitment of players like Malacia, Antony, Onana, and his stubbornly devotion to them. He didn’t alter tactics to suit the personnel available, and he never figured out a way for attacking patterns to result in predictable chances created; everything was Bruno pulling off an outrageous assist.
I never saw Ten Hag adapt or adjust our approach to counter something in a game. Everything was delayed and reactive. Maybe he can’t say in a presser that we were poor, but him repeatedly assuring everyone we played as hoped - when we were fecking dire - is alarming.
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