Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

[SER19]

The question to ask is whether you think Ten Hag has learned from the downs this season. If you think he understands why we were so poor in some games, and believe he will do better with some good additions and a deeper squad then I dont think you can make a strong argument to replace him. I can imagine many of the names touted being a disaster by october.

One aspect of injuries that people underrate is training. Even at Sunday league level, it is an absolute nightmare having players out for midweek training, then expecting them to slot in at the weekend. The upheaval has been enormous.

My own stance is that there was a worrying lack of reaction for many months there when the problem in the middle was so glaring. But people forget he was quite flexible in his first season, players were frequently dropped when out of form, and I think he got badly rattled this year, and the CL campaign hammered our confidence - it was awful. But yesterday shows again that he is a good coach, and given his developing relationship with some critical young talent like Mainoo - this is a player we could build a whole generation around - I'd err on the side of giving him another year. Nobody else is going to fix things overnight in any case. The other huge caveat is that its clear he hasnt 'lost the dressing room.' Apart from Palace, I cant remember many games where it felt like we just gave in. It felt all season like we were trying to fix a moving car and just couldnt. The break will do everybody good.

Winning the cup in this manner is brilliant for the squad, we didn't scrape by a lower league side, we beat the very best on the big occasion, and Ive said all season that we're not as far away as people think. We desperately need more ability in some key areas, and some current starters will make very useful squad players.

 

[stevoc]

Its not noise free but it is two different sources of noise.

Both open to anyone voting though.

 

[Garethw]

Well all you backing him now better not make a peep when the beginning of next season is a disaster and we end up sacking him in October and then appoint Southgate because he’s the only available option.

 

[stevoc]

They really are.

They really aren't.

The last few matches when he's abandoned his chaos ball shows that.

 

[redcucumber]

There's a nice symmetry to parting ways now after yesterday what with how our other Dutchie went out all those years ago.

Starting afresh with a new manager and new ideas on the back of winning the FA Cup feels right. We can't keep him because of one game. It'd be genuine madness.

 

[DJ_21]

Did LVG get sacked the day after the Fa cup final win or the following Monday?

 

[Blood Mage]

There's only one scenario in which I'd be happy for ETH to stay and that's if we bring in one or two quality coaches to support him in coaching attacking patterns and keeping the fecking ball.

 

[VP89]

Did LVG get sacked the day after the Fa cup final win or the following Monday?

I remember reading Mourinho briefs as I exited the final, all the fans were pissed off by it

 

[Keanes Magic Hat]

Well all you backing him now better not make a peep when the beginning of next season is a disaster and we end up sacking him in October and then appoint Southgate because he’s the only available option.

I feel sick every time Southgate is mentioned, he's horrendous

 

[chris123]

I think I've come around to my preferred solution and giving him one more season.

Encourage McKenna to get some Premier League experience and prove himself at either Ipswich or Brighton. If he does well, and Erik still fails, we're in a much better position to give him the job in a year's time.

I'm not convinced about any of the other options at all.

 

[VP89]

Well all you backing him now better not make a peep when the beginning of next season is a disaster and we end up sacking him in October and then appoint Southgate because he’s the only available option.

Ok

 

[DJ_21]

I remember reading Mourinho briefs as I exited the final, all the fans were pissed off by it

So he was sacked the same night? I’m still seeing things beinf said about him being sacking within a couple of days.

 

[Berbaclass]

I think they have made their minds up but are just giving the illusion of a delay or 'considering' just for PR.

 

[lex talionis]

The worst aspect of this debate is listening to panic and rage merchant without peer, Mark Goldbridge. No one forces me to put him on, but I do so to witness a masterclass in idiocy. There is argument for ETH, but you have to ignore horrendous managing to be so ferociously pro-ETH.

The problem going forward is that there is no great alternative right now. I like McKenna, but expecting him to go from Ipswich to United and being successful is expecting too much.

 

[Stinkypete]

I remember reading Mourinho briefs as I exited the final, all the fans were pissed off by it

It wasn't new news at the time though. BBC had already reported we met with Mourinho in December. That sacking was always coming.

 

[DJ_21]

Well all you backing him now better not make a peep when the beginning of next season is a disaster and we end up sacking him in October and then appoint Southgate because he’s the only available option.

That’s like saying everyone who wanted pochettino over him shouldn’t be allowed to celebrate the 2 trophies he’s won. Poch might not have got us into 3 finals within 2 years. He certainly didn’t do anything with Chelsea in his first year.

 

[doomy20]

Would be insane to keep him. A case of hearts trumping heads, in my opinion, but it wouldn’t be the first time at this club

It would be insane to get guys like Potter or the Ipswich coach. Tuchel yes ok but every other name out there isn’t worth the gamble

 

[VP89]

So he was sacked the same night? I’m still seeing things beinf said about him being sacking within a couple of days.

Officially think it was after a couple days I think but it was leaked straight after the final.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Did LVG get sacked the day after the Fa cup final win or the following Monday?

Official statement from the club was Monday night.

 

[Berbaclass]

Official statement from the club was Monday night.

Expecting the same.

I said to my dad the other day if we lose we couldf do it on the night but if we win most likely monday out of 'respect' for the moment and celebrations.

 

[DJ_21]

Official statement from the club was Monday night.

That’s what I’ve been expecting. It’s usually the Monday. He’ll probably get called in on Monday morning.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Expecting the same.

I said to my dad the other day if we lose we couldf do it on the night but if we win most likely monday out of 'respect' for the moment and celebrations.

Yeah that was my thinking going into the game too.

 

[ryansgirl]

It's easy to name 10 managers who could come in and potentially be a better fit for United.

Ten Hag hasn't worked out, he won't keep his job after a season like that despite the cup win.

So Ineos will be looking to get their own man in who fits in with their vision for the club.

And where have we heard that before? David Moyes will be the perfect plain speaking Scottish manager post Sir Alex. Louis Van Gaal is a big name manager with the European sophistication to put United up there in the Champions League again and win titles. Mourinho has done it all, he will do it again with United. We need Ole to take United back to its signature style of football and English spine.

Manchester United`s problem is managerial musical chairs. Sacking Ten Hag who has shown some backbone in dealing with players who would have been shown the door under Sir Alex but were allowed to stay and whiteant club morale and disrespect managers.

We haven`t seen anything like the Ferguson teams` hunger and desire especially from players who`d won so much since he departed. Moyes was the big mistake especially when he managed to piss off and underutilise/mismanage a team of winners. However, post Moyes there was too much tolerance of players undermining the club in one way or another and too many names who weren`t dropped or sold when they should have been. What the United club culture has become is the problem, not Ten Hag.

 

[Syphon Wallet]

Oh damn, vastly different to the results on here, even if you include the cup final swing I’d think

Even the poll in here is changing at a rapid rate, easily 80% voting for ten hag since the final ended yesterday.

 

[hobbers]

That’s like saying everyone who wanted pochettino over him shouldn’t be allowed to celebrate the 2 trophies he’s won. Poch might not have got us into 3 finals within 2 years. He certainly didn’t do anything with Chelsea in his first year.

Got them playing much better football than we play. If they'd had Nkunku fit to translate that +10 on their expected goals into real goals, they'd have been pushing Villa for top 4.

 

[90 + 5min]

Lots of fake news out there on social media and other media. People need to think twice before believing what is written.

We just need to relax and wait from people who are in charge and tenHag himself. Everything else is just noise.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

There's a nice symmetry to parting ways now after yesterday what with how our other Dutchie went out all those years ago.

Starting afresh with a new manager and new ideas on the back of winning the FA Cup feels right. We can't keep him because of one game. It'd be genuine madness.

Regardless, look at the positives of his tenure. Finished 3rd in the league, won the League Cup and got to the FA Cup Final. Won the FA Cup. 2 trophies in 2 seasons is better than any manager in the league currently, that isn't named Pep. After so many injuries and over 40 different back 4 pairings, with top 4 and CL never realistically being possible due to having such a weakened team, still managed to qualify for the Europa League.

It is not all doom and gloom. He deserves another season due to them factors. If it still persists then replace him. Otherwise nothing changes long term for the better if as soon as a manager doesn't meet the club expectations for 1 season only, they are replaced. The cycle will just continue as in such a competitive league, being able to meet the clubs expectations every single season is not always possible.

 

[lex talionis]

A follow up to my previous post. The ETH in brigade are ignoring the elephant in the room, ETH’s contract. He’s going into his last year, which I believe is common knowledge, and I haven’t heard Goldbridge or anyone else demand that ETH be given a contract extension. If in fact ETH is obviously building something then why not give a contract extension?

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

A follow up to my previous post. The ETH in brigade are ignoring the elephant in the room, ETH’s contract. He’s going into his last year, which I believe is common knowledge, and I haven’t heard Goldbridge or anyone else demand that ETH be given a contract extension. If in fact ETH is obviously building something then why not give a contract extension?

if they decide to keep him, they’ll either pick up the additional year on his contract or offer him a 1+1 extension. He’s not coaching on the final year of his deal.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Got them playing much better football than we play. If they'd had Nkunku fit to translate that +10 on their expected goals into real goals, they'd have been pushing Villa for top 4.

If United had all their players fit all season then they'd have been pushing Villa for top 4. See it is easy to use what ifs because we will never know and there is no way to prove otherwise on your statement.

 

[MrMarcello]

I'd be happy if the club get a manager in that will make consistent in-game adjustments and changes, anticipating the flow of the match and seeing the obvious when players are gassed or under-performing. ETH seems stubborn and egotistical in his management. I dropped off the bandwagon by end of December, he's not cut for this league and possibly not cut for a huge club. I feel if they retain him it will be more the same next season - shit performances, questionable tactics, lack of in-game adjustments, favoring certain players regardless of performance, and so forth. The man had a negative goal differential and suffered 14 losses in the league, and flopped spectacularly in Europe, I fail to see how it will get better. I'd be happy to be wrong and it works out but I believe giving him another year is just delaying the inevitable.

 

[Kush]

Would be insane to keep him. A case of hearts trumping heads, in my opinion, but it wouldn’t be the first time at this club

Sums it up perfectly. After the shit we have seen for the entire season, we are getting one cup game change all of that. Our fans really deserve the humiliation next season if they keep being sentimental fools.

 

[hobbers]

If United had all their players fit all season then they'd have been pushing Villa for top 4. See it is easy to use what ifs because we will never know and there is no way to prove otherwise on your statement.

OK lets just settle for the facts then. Chelsea scored 20 goals more than us. They underperformed their xG by about 10 goals. We did not underperform our xG.

Ergo, Poch is good at coaching attacking football and ETH is not.

 

[wolvored]

The worst aspect of this debate is listening to panic and rage merchant without peer, Mark Goldbridge. No one forces me to put him on, but I do so to witness a masterclass in idiocy. There is argument for ETH, but you have to ignore horrendous managing to be so ferociously pro-ETH.

The problem going forward is that there is no great alternative right now. I like McKenna, but expecting him to go from Ipswich to United and being successful is expecting too much.

My son puts him on for entertainment value and hes a Wanderers fan.
He really thinks he is the voice of the fans and as soon as anyone disagrees with him, he goes off on a tirade. He reckons most of the fans want TH to stay and everything that goes wrong is not his fault. Deluded or what!

 

[lex talionis]

if they decide to keep him, they’ll either pick up the additional year on his contract or offer him a 1+1 extension. He’s not coaching on the final year of his deal.

Of course they can offer him an extension, but the point is that what’s being debated here is to let ETH have one more year and see how that goes. If it’s another horrendous season, as 23/24 was, just let the contract run down and thank him for his services. It’s not going to go like that.

 

[Ish]

There's a lot more opposition fans on social media to be fair.

yeah, absolutely. There’d be a fair number of United fans though, one would assume.

50k votes too

Yeah I was a big supporter of his, then at the midway point I sat on the fence up until a couple of months ago when I changed my vote to out. Personally, I won’t change my vote because of this result, albeit I am almost not some of them he more ardent “out” fans on here. I do think we need to replace him, though I wouldn’t exactly be gutted it Ineos gave him one more season. I don’t think he’s deserved it tbf.

Even the poll in here is changing at a rapid rate, easily 80% voting for ten hag since the final ended yesterday.

Yep, I guess I’ll leave these massive decisions to the highly paid experts of Ineos to make but as above, as tempting as it is after the high of the cup win, I won’t be changing my personal vote.

 

[Blood Mage]

If we're keeping him then we need to hire new backroom staff to support him, simple as that. There's no future in the chaotic transition football we're currently playing. The bloke does have it in him to make tactical tweaks that can pay off in some games but he can't coach patterns of play any better that Old could.

 

[hobbers]

Of course they can offer him an extension, but the point is that what’s being debated here is to let ETH have one more year and see how that goes. If it’s another horrendous season, as 23/24 was, just let the contract run down and thank him for his services. It’s not going to go like that.

Which is a position that isn't based in reality. Nobody except retiring managers at this level go into the final seasons of their deals and dont end up sacked or extending.

The "see how it goes" brigade will never learn will they. Same thing was said in November, when we were bound to improve when players started returning from injury. They'll be saying the same thing in October 2024 when we're having another shocking season but Luke Shaw and x y z are all still injured. ETH once again on the cusp of the sack, but we need to "let him finish the season and see how it goes"

 

[Salford_Red83]

It's unbelievable to me how one domestic cup run wipes out from many peoples memory:

1. the worst league run in 30 years
2. the worst CL run of any EPL club ever, in an easy group no less
3. the bizarre and stubborn tactical choices
4. a transfer record littered with poor personal choices
5. under-utilisation of the squad and favouritism
6. the manager claiming zero accountability for the failures in any of his interviews

Only injuries blamed for everything. Even when some players complained that the training sessions were too hard and perhaps leading to exhaustion ahead of games and injuries. Still nothing is ever his fault, the successes are down to him and the failures just bad luck or down to the weak players.

Yep, perfectly summed up why we should part ways with him.

 

[sepulturite]

Wonder where that poll was from?

I can't fathom the thought process sometimes of some posts, imagine being spiteful your team won a trophy but it may marginally increase the chances of the manager staying!

I know, exactly that. We just won a trophy when it really looked like we didn't have a hope, just be happy about it! Manager crap can wait. But saying that to any of these posters is a waste of time unfortunately.