I mean he didn't though. Our win percentage is far higher under ETH. The results show me two trophies in two years. Your second point is false though, he doesn't necessarily need his first 11 all the time providing we have competent back up players. That isn't the case for us so the impact of players missing is obviously higher, relative to our rivals.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Which is an achievement in itself
And pass the ball around wth zero intent...
Haha! It really does, especially after yesterday, I’m still buzzing from it. A week ago I would have been gutted if we had kept Hag for another year, but now I think I’d be happy to see if he can build from this.
ETH just doesn't strike me as someone who would admit his mistakes. He's been all over media in recent weeks blaming everyone but himself. I'm not expecting him to say he's shit but he's making it sound like he inherited a bunch of nobodies and is doing wonders with them when reality is very different. He's not at fault for everything but still shares major part of the blame why we've been playing the way we have.
What about Xavi, should they add him to the list now?
Good morning everyone.
My vote is still for sale.
Personally, I'm choosing to trust whatever decision INEOS makes. If they decide to keep him it must be because of factors beyond our horrendous performances at various stretches this season. And if they're blinkered solely by this FA Cup win then we're fecked regardless in the long run.
My vote is still for sale.
Personally, I'm choosing to trust whatever decision INEOS makes. If they decide to keep him it must be because of factors beyond our horrendous performances at various stretches this season. And if they're blinkered solely by this FA Cup win then we're fecked regardless in the long run.
He inherited a squad with a bunch of problems at a club with a lot of problems, having received advice that its an impossible job that will ruin his reputation..
That was all known when he took over so its pretty classless to now pretend he didn't join a shitshow and somehow turned the shit into two trophies in two years, meaning that covid nonwithstanding he's won a trophy as a manager every year since 2018/19 so he must have something about him?
At this point the only two scenarios that would get me excited is ETH staying and this is because of his unknown quality while being backed by a proper United structure. The second scenario being McKenna replacing ETH which is also because of his unknown potential
I agree with you, and I don't believe that it has. One off football matches should never, ever be enough to make long term decisions.
It's so much nicer that we won it though. Apart from the obvious reason of actually winning a trophy, it will allow Ten Hag to leave (if that is what happens) with his head held high and his reputation in place.
I realise there are many people here too invested in their argument to see this clearly, but the truth is that sacking him now will always leave a 'what if?' hanging over this. My personal belief is that he deserves a third season, win or lose yesterday, but it also adds pressure to any replacement coming in to have to follow 3 finals and 2 wins in 2 seasons.
He's in a weird situation.
I think he definitely has the right attitude for a "big club's manager"
But whenever he can fix united is another story. He cant seem to adapt to the league nor coach his players, injury or not.
Im still 40/60 favor for him to stay, i dont think he got it but the "new manager" list doesnt look that amazing either.
Its really up to INEOS now. Their first test.
I think he definitely has the right attitude for a "big club's manager"
But whenever he can fix united is another story. He cant seem to adapt to the league nor coach his players, injury or not.
Im still 40/60 favor for him to stay, i dont think he got it but the "new manager" list doesnt look that amazing either.
Its really up to INEOS now. Their first test.
You're kind of just proving my point about people picking a side and just backing it to the hilt. Well anyway I'm not going to get into it. We'll find out in the next week or so anyway whether he stays or go.
Catching up after the win yesterday, this thread was an absolute car crash. I actually can't believe people would rather argue to death after a cup win, why don't people just enjoy the moment anymore?
Great win, the tactical set up and execution of it was perfect.
Great win, the tactical set up and execution of it was perfect.
Not strictly true we had regullion who we sent back, and Fernandez who we sent on loan. CB pairings have been a mess granted but we have largely been able to at least pick 2 experienced senior CB'S for most games. The massive defensive issues have come from ETH's system. Even if we had varane, Martinez and Shaw fit for most of the season we still would of struggled defensively, and anyway relying on those three, two of which are injury prone and one who was recovering from surgery is naive to put it lightly.
We haven't had a better season than either Newcastle or Chelsea either. The FA cup win maybe puts us on a par with them, but both those teams have played better than us for most of the season without much luck, we have been very poor with a lot of luck.
He inherited a squad, and a club that was in absolute freefall. Global scouts sacked, holes everywhere, inflated ego's, big controversy on Greenwood, and a clown CEO handling the situation, with a clown DoF overpaying for virtually every target, with negotiations and contracts held by an ex academy player's brother
What’s with the exaggeration and how is this new to you?
In the end, I think the people I’ll trust the most is INEOS not ETH. They’ve hired professionals with experience and have more inside knowledge than us. Whatever decision they come up with I’ll back them (for now)
He set this team up to fail until the very end, he’s just too stubborn, then there’s the recruitment… Let’s not be blinded by a single game where we pulled out a counterattacking win. He’s not the right fit long term, and we’ll be sorry two months into the next season if we keep him. He gets a nice send off and probably a decent job (Ajax? maybe Bayern) and we hire someone else, no grudges.
Reguilon himself missed almost 2 months was it? With injury, think it was close to 2 but it stretched over an international break.
CB pairings have been an absolute mess - I would not count Evans as a player we wanted to depend on for so many games at 38 years of age. It was reported he failed his fitness test for Palace and we needed him anyway, and I wonder what other defenders towed that line. Theoretically most teams can chuck on a CB (As we did with Kambala), but them being ready is a totally different factor.
On our season point - we've most certainly had a better season than both of them. Ask any Newcastle or Chelsea fan if they'd have 1(or 2 or 3) points less in the season in exchange for an FA Cup and a ticket to Europa football, which neither have now, and they'll bite your hand off. Our season was better than theirs.
Haven't lost to Liverpool in 3 games, including knocking them out the FA Cup.
Hands Pep Guardiola his first domestic cup final loss.
Erik Ten Hag. "All eras come to an end".
Hands Pep Guardiola his first domestic cup final loss.
Erik Ten Hag. "All eras come to an end".
He inherited a squad that had a bad season, just like this one under him. The squad that finished 3rd and 2nd seasons before. I'm not buying into the idea that he turned shit into gold, no.
Bayern would leave Kompany hanging for Erik Ten Hag.
Okay but the club wasn't in charge of the way we've played or for losing 19 games this season.
We're 8th in the league with negative GD.
A good cup run does not change that.
Van Gaal mostly used 4231 in 15/16.
Funnily enough the prize for winning the cup is the same as finishing 5th. Except youve also won a major trophy.
There you go, now you get it
I’m sure I’ll get shit from plenty on here for it, but I wonder if the chaos ball we played all season was following a directive from Murtough and co - ie. stick to your tactics regardless of personnel available
It’s too much of a coincidence that after his meeting with Wilcox he’s switched to something that actually works.
He’s demonstrated that when being more pragmatic he can make us competitive - as he did last season.
Sadly I still think he will go, and I think this is a mistake - but I’m clinging onto the idea that he was set a challenge for the last few weeks of the season and he has passed it.
It’s too much of a coincidence that after his meeting with Wilcox he’s switched to something that actually works.
He’s demonstrated that when being more pragmatic he can make us competitive - as he did last season.
Sadly I still think he will go, and I think this is a mistake - but I’m clinging onto the idea that he was set a challenge for the last few weeks of the season and he has passed it.
That’s literally what someone said this morning
Firstly well done and thanks to EtH we've won two trophies in two years during such a chaotic period. If he does go he can go with his head held high and the standard of winning even when things are terrible.
The worries with him for me have always been his in-game management and the way he uses his squad in general. He's very stubborn in his ways and ultimately that looks to be his undoing.
The worries with him for me have always been his in-game management and the way he uses his squad in general. He's very stubborn in his ways and ultimately that looks to be his undoing.
I don't want ETH to stay but I do think McKenna would be a baffling appointment at this stage. Tuchel is the only manager we should be considering.
Imagine the club sacking a manager that won 2 trophies.
Ajax just appointed Farioli en Bayern Kompany.
Fantastic yesterday, got it spot on. This new system of packing the midfield has worked really well, not just yesterday but against Brighton and the Geordies as well. If he does stay he needs to progress with this system, rather than reverting to the more open style we’ve gone with this season.
That second goal yesterday I keep thinking about. How Ajax it was. Quick transition after overloading one side then switching. The beautiful underlap, then making the extra pass. Exceptional goal.
Ten Hag said he played in accordance to alignment with the higher ups at the time on style. Ten Hag was too stubborn to change it, thinking he can make any system work and I think he takes primary blame for that, irrespective of directions from above (if that was true).
That being said, he's a very adaptable coach and there's little doubt that he can tweak things under the game model as instructed by Wilcox. This idea that he's too open and unsustainable as some sort of consistency throughout his career is a bit bollocks in my opinion.
I'm not saying there wasn't some quality in the squad, obviously there was but the dressing room was in disarray and we lost our key midfielder in the summer and our only reliable goalscorer was forcing his way out of the club. Our best young attacking talent was/is unavailable and the captain was a) having a complete drop in form and b) wasn't a good fit for his style of play, our second choice striker was chronically injured, our other goalscorer is streaky as hell
The squad he inherited was a mess. Obviously our work in the transfer market has been.. troubling.. with him in charge but you can see that he wanted people who he worked with previously, my interpretation was it was so he has people who are onside and know his system to try and get a headstart on implementing his style and discipline, as well as club scouting being inept, the club just overpaid for his targets because they put themselves in that position by not having an adequate list of alternatives to convince him on if they couldn't get his player, plus that wouldn't be his call anymore
INEOS will want a long term plan and not lets give him 10gamwa and see what happens!
I feel sort of the same, but I'm still reeling from the league, absolutely schooled by teams that should be running scared from us. Brentford, wolves, forest, all gave us a hiding and we offered nothing except a quick break and you never know ... This whole season (not just a few games) we have wondered what the plan is, tactics are etc etc. and injuries should not be a reason to change the whole game plan. If Martinez is out why is there no other CB who plays as progressive?
Good question. Klopp and Pep are on top for me. Ancelloti after them is a very good manager too.
After that who is clearly a better manager than ETH? Alonso had a very good year, Tuchel is a good manager. Emery has won Europa leagues, did okay at Arsenal and has had a very good season with Villa. Enrique is mentioned sometimes but when i hear his name i dont instantly associate him with succes but more with endless passing. Zidane had an amazing Real Madrid team but we dont know much else about him as a manager. Conte and Mourinho have won a lot of titles but their style of play is outdated and hasnt been succesfull recently. Simeone does great work at Atletico.
There are young managers who do well at their clubs but arent proven at big clubs. Most of them havent won cups, national titles (although winning the Eredivisie with the Ajax squad ETH isnt that hard) and been to the semi final of the CL. I know that ETH comes out of a bad season and that makes some ignore all the things he did achieve before this year.
Is it that easy to name 10 clearly better managers than ETH? Manager you cant argue against as 'better' and 'more proven'? Arteta does very well at Arsenal but he did get the time that many dont want to give ETH. De Zerbi did have a good period at Brighton but i wouldnt consider him clearly better. Poch hasnt been a major succes in his last few jobs so would he be a clearly better option?
ETH isnt top 5 but i suppose you could sneak him into the top 10 if you really wanted. This has been his first bad year of his career and he still won the FA cup. Klopp had a bad year last year and also in his final Dortmund year. Even the best managers have bad years. Even if you dont think ETH is top 10, he wont be that far off based on his reputation and recent performances compared to other managers.
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