I keep hearing this, it's not an argument for keeping him.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Nonsense. Just sack him, no sane person does this.
Just exaggeratingThis thread does that a lot to be fair. It’s pretty strong on either side of the in/out question.
I for one am very happy that Premier League is finally over.
You are exaggerating, you are not very happy that it's over. Maybe mildly relieved.
Sack him before a Cup final?
Here's a very good article that dives into the injury impact without focusing solely on absolute number of injuries. From the Athletic.Feel free to show otherwise
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/54...ed-injury-analysis?source=user-shared-article
Oh well! at least he didn't sign off with the worst points total in the premier league era- that one is still on Ralf/Ole, a mere three seasons ago. Worst place finish and a negative goal difference is an achievement though .
The drop from 3rd to 8th is pretty horrendous but it's not been drastically inconsistent with the general pattern in the post SAF years. I will say his most recent interview with Neville at least provided some context for why he changed the set up for this season and I can understand it, but it was a bad call and he'll pay for it. Hope the next manager can break the cycle.
.The drop from 3rd to 8th is pretty horrendous but it's not been drastically inconsistent with the general pattern in the post SAF years. I will say his most recent interview with Neville at least provided some context for why he changed the set up for this season and I can understand it, but it was a bad call and he'll pay for it. Hope the next manager can break the cycle.
Oh yeh there is definitely exaggerating, but I just don't think there has been any really since the game ended in here today, just basically stating it's been a poor season which it has.Just exaggerating
I for one am very happy that Premier League is finally over.
I'd hope for a new manager bounce if he was sacked a few weeks ago at least, but the last time we had an interim it was Rangnick and we know that within 30 minutes everything just went to shit. I'm not even sure who would want to come in on an interim basis to be honest.
Interesting these players returning to fitness for the cup final and the Euros / Copa America coming up.
It’s very clarifying you call out both sides - one being Man Utd fans who want accountability for the results from a manager and the other side supporting the manager primarily and prefer not holding him accountable because of endless hypotheticals around how he can get us to magical land where he gets us to play incredibly progressive football as long as he has 25 players in his squad fit.
You're delusional mate, embarrassed yourself all season.
Oh well! at least he didn't sign off with the worst points total in the premier league era- that one is still on Ralf/Ole, a mere three seasons ago. Worst place finish and a negative goal difference is an achievement though
The drop from 3rd to 8th is pretty horrendous but it's not been drastically inconsistent with the general pattern in the post SAF years. I will say his most recent interview with Neville at least provided some context for why he changed the set up for this season and I can understand it, but it was a bad call and he'll pay for it. Hope the next manager can break the cycle.
Just look at the difference in injuries this season compared to last though. That is a big factor.
I’m hoping we don’t start it with ETH as manager.
So you would take Southgate?
Doesn't change much, he is still getting sacked after the FA Cup final. Maybe somehow winning it, and the chances of that are infinitesimally small, could grant him a stay of execution by INEOS. But 8th place and a negative GD? An embarrassing Champions League campaign? Genuinely awful football? I'm sure he tried his best, but that just doesn't cut it. It's time for a change.
If he survives by some miracle, and I don't believe he will, he should be banned from recruitment.
If he survives by some miracle, and I don't believe he will, he should be banned from recruitment.
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So 9 more points would have gotten us 4th.
I definitely believe the injuries we’ve suffered have cost us at least 9 (3 wins).
Just glad the PL season is over. 2-0 win over De Zerbi’s Brighton just highlights the grass isn’t always greener.
Now we’ve got an FA cup final to stop City and get another bit of silverware to salvage the season. I’m sure we’ll all put aside our differences and bring positive energy to the squad and manager before he leaves for good.
Or will he?
I definitely believe the injuries we’ve suffered have cost us at least 9 (3 wins).
Just glad the PL season is over. 2-0 win over De Zerbi’s Brighton just highlights the grass isn’t always greener.
Now we’ve got an FA cup final to stop City and get another bit of silverware to salvage the season. I’m sure we’ll all put aside our differences and bring positive energy to the squad and manager before he leaves for good.
Or will he?
We just finished in 8th place, with a negative goal difference, finished bottom of our CL group, lost a record number of games in a single season and yet…you still have some fans defending it.
You’re all fecking bonkers
No wonder this club has gone to shit.
You’re all fecking bonkers
No wonder this club has gone to shit.
There are a lot of fans, including myself, who have held him accountable for various defeats and even named a subset of games. It didn't stop certain posters being childish and calling names all the same.
For example if I state he's accountable and sackable on the basis of Bournemouth, Palace, West Ham, Chelsea, etc etc. but at the same time say the games vs Arsenal and Newcastle were better - I'm a c*ultist and a fanboy. There are a subset on the side that want ten hag out, who are extremists and post as though they want to blame him for everything including but not limited to global warming. That's where it goes too far.
Reasoned debate and respect has been thrown out the window thanks to posts like this:
You’re all fecking bonkers
No wonder this club has gone to shit.
By the way - I'm fine for being in the minority and I'm willing to accept sacking him is rational. But at the same time, I can't have empathy or reason for the circumstance that he's in, otherwise you get posts like the above just going over the top.
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I can’t tell if this is sarcasm.
Can't tell which account is parody and which means it
You call using the term “fanboys” childish and extremists but then yourself mention that criticism of him has included blaming him for global warming, which no one has done. And that’s not childish or extremist?
He will only become a part of the boombust cycle.Oh well! at least he didn't sign off with the worst points total in the premier league era- that one is still on Ralf/Ole, a mere three seasons ago. Worst place finish and a negative goal difference is an achievement though
The drop from 3rd to 8th is pretty horrendous but it's not been drastically inconsistent with the general pattern in the post SAF years. I will say his most recent interview with Neville at least provided some context for why he changed the set up for this season and I can understand it, but it was a bad call and he'll pay for it. Hope the next manager can break the cycle.
July: New manager
August-December: Wow we are actually good. Turns out the players were not the problem
January to end of season: Decent season overall with some inconsistencies. Onwards and upwards!
Preseason 2025: We look gassed
August 2025: Horrible start to the season
<insert random player fallout>
December 2025: Hope we finish top 4
<insert rumblings of players not impressed with training>
End of 2025/26 season: Finish 6th-8th
July 2026: New manager
Thanks pal.
I can't get past his horrible transfer signings. Surely that seeps into his judgement of player performances in training and so on.
INEOS haven’t backed him so in unlikely event he does stay it is likely by default. He wont be anywhere near recruitment as he would be on verge of the sack. If they’d been blown away by him and thought he was the right man just a bit unlucky I’m sure they would have openly made it clear he was going to be the manager next season.
Can’t see anything other than him being sacked shortly after the Cup Final.
So.. officially worse than Moyes then with 8th place.
Tut tut.
Tut tut.
I have not name called or belittled unless I've been the victim of it (I'm human after all). There has been posts calling me names after I just suggested some players might not have only been a Ten Hag pursuit, or a loss was maybe not down to tactics. My expression on how posters will attach any blame on Ten Hag irrespective of context isn't really the same as people calling an entire school of thought names, or the manager names like idiot, fraud, cnut, etc. It's pretty despicable to be frank.
Threw it away against Chelsea, fumbled a smash and grab at Brentford, points dropped v Burnley and Fulham
The injuries were bad but the tactics were worse. Sure we've had players out but you adapt, don't you? If things go wrong and plan A goes out the window you go to plan B, you set up differently, you approach the games differently. You work with the strengths and the weaknesses of who you're able to field. I never saw any of that this season.
A top manager adjusts to his circumstances. We talk about injuries all we like, we weren't sending out mascots to play, they're decent footballers most of them. Set up right, we wouldn't have been looking to organise an open top bus for the end of season parade through the town, but 8th? That's shocking and that's on him.
A top manager adjusts to his circumstances. We talk about injuries all we like, we weren't sending out mascots to play, they're decent footballers most of them. Set up right, we wouldn't have been looking to organise an open top bus for the end of season parade through the town, but 8th? That's shocking and that's on him.
Intriguing to see what happens now. Can’t imagine anything going on before the final but I think our squad has some exciting young players and we can get back to the CL places with a good summer window.
yep. coincides with onana finding some form too.
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I maintain whatever the end outcome.
He’s a really good manager who has been dealt a shite hand this season.
There are possibly managers who might have managed this better but I’ve never known Pep for example to have to deal with circumstances like this.
Other sides that had significant injuries at periods in their seasons dropped points during those times.
He’s a really good manager who has been dealt a shite hand this season.
There are possibly managers who might have managed this better but I’ve never known Pep for example to have to deal with circumstances like this.
Other sides that had significant injuries at periods in their seasons dropped points during those times.
Hey, if your team has injuries to key players you can't possibly hope to finish higher than 6th place. Just ask Real Madrid how they're doing after missing Courtois, Militao, Alaba (examples) for most of the season.We just finished in 8th place, with a negative goal difference, finished bottom of our CL group, lost a record number of games in a single season and yet…you still have some fans defending it.
You’re all fecking bonkers
No wonder this club has gone to shit.
Mount = Injured most of the season
Casemiro = great last season, huge drop off this season
Martinez = fantastic last season, injured most of this season
Antony = absolute disaster, utterly shambolic
Eriksen = decent free transfer, but legs have gone
Malacia = promising last season, injured all of this season
Hojlund = one for the future but still scored 16 goals in his first season in an awful team
Onana = terrible before Xmas, very good from then but still makes some questionable mistakes
Evans = brought in as 5th choice CB but had to start far more games than expected, did a decent job overall
Bayandir = back up GK
Weghorst = loan that did an ok job at hold up play, couldn't score
Amrabat = loan but was poor
Reguilon = loan but was ok
Sabitzer = loan but was ok
The only truly horrible signing has been Antony. That is unforgivable.
People defending the league finish because we could have finished higher if some results had gone our way.
We could also have easily finished in 14th or 15th if we hadn't been lucky in a lot of games.
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
We could also have easily finished in 14th or 15th if we hadn't been lucky in a lot of games.
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
No other manager survives 8th place and a negative GD. It's a different level of failure.
Comfortably our worst ever PL campaign. The manager was in charge for all 38 games.
14th league defeats. Yikes.
I think INEOS will bottle sacking him though.
Comfortably our worst ever PL campaign. The manager was in charge for all 38 games.
14th league defeats. Yikes.
I think INEOS will bottle sacking him though.
3 players. Real Madrid also have a significantly better team than Man United. The competition outside of Barcelona and Atletico is very weak in La Liga.
I refuse to get involved in this debate, although I've watched this thread and have an opinion. The frustrating thing is that if you don't agree or subscribe to a certain view, you're an inferior supporter in some way.
It's pathetic and next season will be as bad with "I told you so's", whichever way it plays out.
That is the fear, unfortunately. The next new manager will most probably, like LVG, have no European football next season, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if we got top 4, even with a dour manager like Southgate (and please, don't pick Southgate!). It's how we build from there that's always the big problem that's never been cracked. Recruitment and player standards have to be absolutely spot on, as well as the manager.
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