Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Rozay said:
If that is the case it has been a plan that hasn’t included several key players, so it is unlikely.

And we’ve had plenty of issues with attack that limit variation. We’ve had one striker available for much of the season, so no proper alternative there. We’ve had Rashford and Garnacho as the two wide players consistently available. Amad injured for the first half of the season. Sancho missing all season. Antony has had his own issues. The attack has largely picked itself, with the only question being which two from Rashford, Antony and Sancho.

You would imagine that Mount was part of any plan that he had at the start of the season. But then he was injured all season. Mainoo was also key. But he was injured for first three months. If you think starting Scott McTominay weekly was Ten Hag’s plan and NOT just an idea yo get through Saturday, I’d say that is a strange take.
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Well that's what Ten Hag keeps saying his system isn't working because players are unavailable. Ok but change the fecking system to suit the players you have then. It's called management so manage the situation.

McTominay continued starting games long after Eriksen, Mainoo, Amrabat and Casemiro were all fit.
 
90 + 5min said:
This is just becoming toxic situation. Same but different with our previous managers.

Club needs to come out and say something. You either say that he stays or you let him go tomorrow. There is nothing in between. As a big club there needs to be some kind of communication in this kind of times. Otherwise press and so called experts will speculate and we know how they love talking about us.

But I don't expect them do anything like they haven't about referees and VAR.
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They have said he will be given the FA Cup final, but haven't said he is staying next season, and there is no way him somehow winning that will be the deciding factor, so they've just about said he will be leaving at the end of the season without actually spelling it out for people, which is probably a good idea to do for everyone at this point.
 
glazed said:
The way we are playing is predicated on the idea that we have to evolve the football and not go backwards to a deep sitting counter attack. Because if we do that we will never evolve. We will just carry on buying the kind of players that fit that system. There is a logic to ETH's position, even if we look like a pile of shite and lose every game. I mean at this point in the season does it actually matter that much?

I mean yeah, it's fekkin stupid. But that's the nature of being stuck with players and not being able to spend your way out of a hole. It will take time to clean up this mess.
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Yes but by this stage the mess has been created in no small part by Ten Hag himself.

And the idea that he's persevered with this nonsensical system all season for some imagined long term gain is silly.
 
stevoc said:
Yes but by this stage the mess has been created in no small part by Ten Hag himself.

And the idea that he's persevered with this nonsensical system all season for some imagined long term gain is silly.
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Does the OP even watch us or listen to ETH? We are a "transition" team. Which is Dutch-hipster speak for counter attacking. The team is only effective on the counter and has been since Ole's last season. ETH never changed the style of play that drastically in his first season. And now with whatever this is, aside from the suicidal positioning, it is still counter attacking. It's no coincidence we conceede loads of shots, yet have fewer shots and goals scored.
 
leontas said:
The problem is that he didn’t offer them any protection from a tactical perspective. He could’ve played a more compact and defensive shape and try to get Palace on the counter rather than leave both Case and Evans with no midfield protection.
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Ok, fair enough - I think I misunderstood your initial post, but we are undoubtedly stronger going forward than defending so maybe the plan was to over power them this way. What ever we were trying to do it wasn’t working!
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
They have said he will be given the FA Cup final, but haven't said he is staying next season, and there is no way him somehow winning that will be the deciding factor, so they've just about said he will be leaving at the end of the season without actually spelling it out for people, which is probably a good idea to do for everyone at this point.
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Isn't that just something media speculate? Have someone actually from the club said that?
 
I'm really surprised he wasn't sacked today, and certainly can't think of a really good reason why he hasn't. I guess it could be financial reasons. I.e. it might be cheaper to sack him in the summer given that SAF himself couldn't lead this team to a cup win.
 
m1tch said:
I'm really surprised he wasn't sacked today, and certainly can't think of a really good reason why he hasn't. I guess it could be financial reasons. I.e. it might be cheaper to sack him in the summer given that SAF himself couldn't lead this team to a cup win.
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Come on, at this point it shouldn't be. Time and again he's survived countless drubbings. INEOS are dithering because apparently none of them have either watched a game this season or are deluded. How else has he been given all this time?
 
The Mitcher said:
Come on, at this point it shouldn't be. Time and again he's survived countless drubbings. INEOS are dithering because apparently none of them have either watched a game this season or are deluded. How else has he been given all this time?
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They consider that the season is done and don't think that finding and signing an interim manager has any mid to long term benefit?
 
If there was any truth in any interest in Southgate, even if it were just where he buys his waistcoats, we could stick a fork in Ineos' reign because it'd be done.
 
stevoc said:
Well that's what Ten Hag keeps saying his system isn't working because players are unavailable. Ok but change the fecking system to suit the players you have then. It's called management so manage the situation.

McTominay continued starting games long after Eriksen, Mainoo, Amrabat and Casemiro were all fit.
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Just ‘change the system to suit’ Lindelof, Amrabat at LB, Jonny Evans at centre half and Scott McTominay in midfield is easier said than done. And even then, we’ve dropped a lot of unfortunate points, but this is a very difficult league, you can’t just simply demand that results do not change without half of your team.

There has been no point where Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno have been properly fit (i.e, not ‘fit’ for the first game in 3 months or something) where they haven’t been regular starters. Which would mean McTominay wasn’t.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
It's on the Telegraph and Times website so I'd assumed the club had said something.
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I have very low trust in any media when it comes to us. If I haven't heard it from the club, I assume that we are silent about this issue. As we are about lot of other things.
 
JPRouve said:
They consider that the season is done and don't think that finding and signing an interim manager has any mid to long term benefit?
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It wasn't done in feburary. If they truly believe that, questions must be asked. This is a really bad attitude to have, and unbecoming of owners of a big club. It's a Nice-esque small club mentality.
 
Amsterdam Devil said:
I just cannot believe they will be so stupid to give their project to an unproven club manager who last managed a club 15 years ago. They are not stupid, this won’t happen.
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Just look at Nice and their Swiss team. They ARE that capable of stupidity.
 
Amsterdam Devil said:
I just cannot believe they will be so stupid to give their project to an unproven club manager who last managed a club 15 years ago. They are not stupid, this won’t happen.
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We've nothing to suggest that Ineos are not stupid and poor at running football clubs, and their top pick for Football Director has never hired a manager before.
 
stevoc said:
That statement makes no sense mate.
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Of course it does. Think about it.

The squad that won the league in 2013 was aging and in need of a refresh. Moyes bought
In Mata and Fellaini. :wenger:
Then there was LVG who decimated the squad selling 26 players including the likes of Rio, Evra, Vidic, Welbeck, Anderson, Fletcher, RVP, Johnny Evans, Chicharito and Nani. He replaced them with Marcos Rojo, Schneiderlin, Schweini, Falcao and Di Maria.
After him there was Jose who sold Rooney, and bought in Lukaku, Bailly, Lindelof and over relied on an aging Ibra.
As we know Ole didn’t get listened to so we missed out on Haaland, Bellingham and Grealish instead signing DVB, Sancho and Ighalo.
The rest you know from the last 2 seasons. Every manager since SAF has overspent on absolute dross and filled our squad with overpaid and under performing players who have no concept of what it means to play for Manchester United or even to challenge for the league.
 
The Mitcher said:
He could be full of shit, but this has been a consistent rumour for months. There's no smoke without fire, someone is feeding the press this.
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Southgate is used to dealing with England's best not Manchester United's dross. It would be a risky move if Southgate is still a bad club manager.
 
stevoc said:
Yes but by this stage the mess has been created in no small part by Ten Hag himself.

And the idea that he's persevered with this nonsensical system all season for some imagined long term gain is silly.
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Well I don't think it's imagined or that he's entirely wrong either. But it was clearly impractical with the resources he had and ultimately a failure. Hard to deny he lacked street smarts in how he went about this.
 
Ogden at least saying that he'd been told the Southgate ship has sailed a bit, because Ineos saw the fan reaction and also because the timing wouldnt work with the Euros and starting late in the summer.

Hope he has a decent source for that for a change.
 
So the final nail in the coffin. Just an idea of getting Southgate is abysmal and if Ineos does it read the 1st sentence.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
And getting spanked by everyone isn’t? I’d rather a manager try something different and set us up with a chance of getting a result.
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First thing is we don't have enough defensive players to do it and if we're not planning on playing that way in the future, what's the point?
The Mitcher said:
He could be full of shit, but this has been a consistent rumour for months. There's no smoke without fire, someone is feeding the press this.
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I imagine it's because he was best buds with Ashworth.
 
West Ham went for Lopetegui and Amorim for their next manager, so if they didn’t interview Southgate, there’s no remote possibility we are :lol:

This is just like Chris Coleman leaving Wales and all the media hacks bigging him up, thinking he’s ending up at decent Premier League team and ended up at Championship Sunderland.
 
Fold the club of that waste coat fraud gets the job.
 
Rozay said:
Just ‘change the system to suit’ Lindelof, Amrabat at LB, Jonny Evans at centre half and Scott McTominay in midfield is easier said than done. And even then, we’ve dropped a lot of unfortunate points, but this is a very difficult league, you can’t just simply demand that results do not change without half of your team.

There has been no point where Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno have been properly fit (i.e, not ‘fit’ for the first game in 3 months or something) where they haven’t been regular starters. Which would mean McTominay wasn’t.
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Of course you can do it. Players can play different systems, some managers change systems mid season, some do it mid-game. To suggest it can't be done is a bit baffling.
 
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Footballing structure + best in class coaches for goalkeeping, defending, set pieces and attacking and then whatever coach comes should thrive.

Main thing is getting every other puzzle piece in place. I genuinely still think ETH will be here next year. I think everything else needs to change first around the club.

Then again I'm probably a little too patient compared to some calling for heads.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Of course it does. Think about it.

The squad that won the league in 2013 was aging and in need of a refresh. Moyes bought
In Mata and Fellaini. :wenger:
Then there was LVG who decimated the squad selling 26 players including the likes of Rio, Evra, Vidic, Welbeck, Anderson, Fletcher, RVP, Johnny Evans, Chicharito and Nani. He replaced them with Marcos Rojo, Schneiderlin, Schweini, Falcao and Di Maria.
After him there was Jose who sold Rooney, and bought in Lukaku, Bailly, Lindelof and over relied on an aging Ibra.
As we know Ole didn’t get listened to so we missed out on Haaland, Bellingham and Grealish instead signing DVB, Sancho and Ighalo.
The rest you know from the last 2 seasons. Every manager since SAF has overspent on absolute dross and filled our squad with overpaid and under performing players who have no concept of what it means to play for Manchester United or even to challenge for the league.
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I thought about it and it still doesn't make sense. It isn't the same bloody squad, so it can't have been in decline for 11 years.
 
TheNewEra said:
Footballing structure + best in class coaches for goalkeeping, defending, set pieces and attacking and then whatever coach comes should thrive.

Main thing is getting every other puzzle piece in place. I genuinely still think ETH will be here next year. I think everything else needs to change first around the club.

Then again I'm probably a little too patient compared to some calling for heads.
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You are calling for heads in your post. Just for all other heads except his.
 
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