That has to be it.
McClaren has to be in charge come 8.00am tomorrow morning.
McClaren has to be in charge come 8.00am tomorrow morning.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Not a good look at all
We were not in executive limbo. Ineos decided to clean house without having anyone lined up or in place who could take the necessary decisions. That was negligence and maybe they didn’t think it could get so bad that they would need to take a managerial decision before the end of the season.
No company gives up revenue for a whole year, yet here we are as Manchester United writing off seasons after seasons as if it’s nothing.
It's time. The entire set up is broken. Going into a game against a team in form with Casemiro & Evans and CB and you don't put any protection in front of them with Mainoo & Eriksen being instructed to play high? Should be a sackable offence on it's own.
No idea who you'd give the next 4 games to though. Ole for vibes?
No idea who you'd give the next 4 games to though. Ole for vibes?
Because context doesn't matter.
mourinho as caretaker till end of season, who says no?
I'm talking about the squad collectively, not just tonoght. When you look at the starting 11 tonight do you honestly think any of the managers we've been linked with could have got a result? It was ravaged by injury.
In terms of players who shouldn't be at the club, it most of them but if we are talking players that could demand a decent free or clear the wage bill I'd have the below out straight away.
Rashford = on form or off form, he doesn't warrant the drama that comes with him and has a weak mentality.
Shaw = no fit enough to be relied upon
Casemiro = done
Eriksen = done
Evans = done
AWB = not sure he is a premier league level fullback, offers nothing going forward
Anthony = awful
Sancho = similar to Rashford but never even done it here
Martial = gone anyway
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You think parking the bus and a narrow result either way would get him sacked, rather than setting up the team in a brainless suicidal way and getting smashed 4-0??
Does just seem like you dont understand football at all when you come out with things like this.
I'm not progressing my view at all. I knew Ten Hag was finished after Bournemouth humiliated us, my opinion on his failings as a manager haven't changed one iota since then.
Probably won’t even be a peep from the British media in the next days
They’ve been very very light on Erik
They’ve been very very light on Erik
Me.
What about these bunch of jokers (players), surely they can’t get away with this with every manager.
Well, it's looking likely that last season was indeed an anomaly and we were bailed out by an in form Rashford. I detest the vast majority of this squad and can't wait to see so many of them fecked off. There's some players who'll improve in an actual system, but there's plenty of utter charlatans.
Some managers are bad. They find themselves at our club. Our club has a negative IQ and promotes the manager to God-emperor with sycophants everywhere. He starts believing that shit himself and refuses to think that anything he does could ever be wrong, becoming in process a deluded arrogant prick. It happened to every manager we have had except Rangnick. It happened to Ole who looked to have once been a genuinely nice guy.How is he so bad.
The best we can do is sack the next 5 managers within 2 months and call them head coaches. Change this sick mentality that is at the root of our problems.
Imagine if it was solskjaer
Is it not painfully obvious to all that he doesn't want to be here and just wants the payout? He's been talking about how shit it's been to be the United manager all week. He's done two interviews absolving himself from all blame in the last 9 days.
I have said a few times I'm not convinced by him. I think given the squad, he over achieved last season and under achieved this season.
It ultimately comes down to not believing we can definitely get better, and the worry that changes managers gives most of the pretenders in this squad a clean slate.
I did not watch the game, but I will say it now in case it hadn't been said before, he's a horrible manager. Worse than Moyes, and definitely worse than the likes of LVG and Mou. Oh, and while he has more pedigree than Ole, he has shit luck to go with it. Genuine clueless coach who's been elevated above his station due to his one fluke ajax season.
I don't care that Bayern wants him, Bayern also hired Kovac who has since disappeared off the surface of the earth, so let them take him off our hands please.
I don't care that Bayern wants him, Bayern also hired Kovac who has since disappeared off the surface of the earth, so let them take him off our hands please.
I'd fear for his safety if Ole was still in charge now.
This is it. We are weak at the back with Evans and Casemiro, but the manager does not setup the team to protect them.
First thing we should do with 10 players out is to set up to be hard to beat. The game was lost in 10 mins.
I think he means the opposite. Its a terrible stat, and we are nearing end of the season, not at its start.
Seven teams have positive goal difference, but not us. We're eighth. It's our position, and it sucks.
No.
They're clearly gun-shy because the squad (though tellingly half the 1st team squad is totally his) has seen manager after manager sacked, to no great effect, and are inclined to think any manager is bound to do worse under the old and even interim system before things have chance to bed in over the Summer under Wilcox and the CEO (Ashworth quite obviously not going to be there until Sept the earliest) and wary about investing more money in finding a coach who also might not fit into a system that they've barely begun to establish.
I agree though that, even taking into account all the mitigating circumstances, he's just shown awful judgement this season when trying to execute what we're led to believe is his 'real' style, from recruitment to setting and continuing to set the team up. So many of his worse tendencies were covered over by playing slightly more conservative style with more limited overloads last season, having Eriksen be less crocked, Casemiro less burned out and Rashford going on his bi-yearly streak. I agreed with selling Fred because I presumed we were getting a higher-grade replacement, but the team also misses his energy combined with snappy passing and better positioning than McT shows when he's played in CM.
Now that Wilcox is in and presumably has a plan, they just need to identify a good young coach who's happy to do just that and committed to playing a style and with personnel who suit the PL. Not easy but not impossible: with the system there, it should be more about avoiding red flags (naive, stubborn, no track record of coaching patterns/beating teams of equal quality (which is why Southgate shouldn't get it); negative rather than pragmatic footballing philosophy etc ) than agonizing over the perfect choice.
But if you’re not convinced we can definitely do better, you must think he has some qualities? Please, name them.
5 of his big signings played tonight Casemerio/Onana/Anthony/Mount/Hojlund
Over 300 million worth of talent. They were probably the worst 5 players on the pitch. Casemerio way over the hill and the other 4 look out of there depth.
He chased Amrabat all summer just to sit him on the bench behind Eriksen who would look more at home in a retirement home. Another player bought in by Ten hag that his way out of his depth.
Noone is denying that a squad overhaul.is required. But based on ETH'S record with players bought in, he should be nowhere near it.
I don't understand what difference in terms of money what difference it makes to sack him now or wait though? Both will be "mutual consent" so all that's stopping INEOS is presumably just sitting him down and getting it done.
Maybe with Blanc in now they will do it.
He’s gone in the morning thats why
It's over for ten Hag. I suspect the decision had already been made, but after what we all witnessed tonight there is no future for ten Hag at Old Trafford.
They had us totally figured out style wise. Pressed when they needed to and we could do nothing about it.
There was a spell of play where Mount was exchanging passes with various defenders, but there was no out ball and we ended up lumping it, simply as the other half of the team were all pushed way too far forward. We are set up to fail, yes the players arent great, but they are not being helped by car crash tactics.
He has proven given the structure and players he can produce good football. He has a record of developing youth players. There is two for you, what would Southgate or Potter do better?
You are the one resorting to personal insults.
Just block me if you dont like me pal, I shall do the same don't worry...
He knows he's gone. Won't be surprised if he resigns tomorrow. We've done a lot of stupid things over the years so let's just get Keane in as interim to see what happens.
I agree that some of these players aren't good enough and some are on massive contracts they don't deserve considering they'll never win a major trophy but whether we like it or not, if we sell Bruno and Rashford we're going to spend a load of money just to bring in players who aren't as good as Bruno and Rashford in the hopes they'll be as good as bail us out as often as Bruno and Rashford have. Look at Garnacho and Mainoo, great players but they haven't done more than Bruno or Rashford and might never, we don't know. So we need to clear out players like Eriksen who are old and clearly done at this level and bring in young players who we can at least invest in while keeping players like Rashford and manage him to maximise his consistency.
It's crazy how well positive goal difference and general goals scored correlates with the final table position when all is said and done.
We might have scammed our way through most of the season but the chickens are well and truly home go roost.
It's insulting to be told I'm enjoying watching us get beat. If you really cared then you'd understand.
Not saying I dislike you or anything, but you boil my piss at times.
Maybe, but he was one of the best last season. I think he's bailed on ETH, and is capable of much better.
I have never actively disliked a United manager until today.
A manager, first and foremost, has to be able to manage people, get the most out of their limited talent. He seems entirely incapable of doing that. Add to that some terrible signings, bizarre team selections, and stupidly rigid, and probably needlessly over-complicated tactics, and it's no wonder the season has come to this.
AWB is horrendous on the ball when playing RB but ETH played him at LB. Why? How?! Why not change later in the game?
Antony has not once been tried on the left whereas Garnacho has done well on the right before. Why not try and swap them for a few mins and see if things improve? Or if you have to play Garnacho on the left, why not try Mount on the right - I think that's where he has played for Chelsea before and done well?
Please leave, ETH. It's been exhausting watching your teams.
A manager, first and foremost, has to be able to manage people, get the most out of their limited talent. He seems entirely incapable of doing that. Add to that some terrible signings, bizarre team selections, and stupidly rigid, and probably needlessly over-complicated tactics, and it's no wonder the season has come to this.
AWB is horrendous on the ball when playing RB but ETH played him at LB. Why? How?! Why not change later in the game?
Antony has not once been tried on the left whereas Garnacho has done well on the right before. Why not try and swap them for a few mins and see if things improve? Or if you have to play Garnacho on the left, why not try Mount on the right - I think that's where he has played for Chelsea before and done well?
Please leave, ETH. It's been exhausting watching your teams.
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