Since the subject of stats is active.. how close are we to having our worst PL season ever?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I'm not WUMing. Just because you decide that I am does not make it the case...
8th place, GD +1 which will end up in negative deserves one more season
Yeah that's absolutely laughable if it happens but right now I certainly wouldn't rule it out
Point wise, very. We need 5 to beat the Rangnick disaster season.
But hey, his win % is better than Arteta and Klopp's worst thanks to easy cup draws.
You can only play whats in front of you and with the players not injured...
you'll be changing your mind again tonight.Come on Erik take that Bayern job you finally get to work with Kane next season
Why do you think
It‘s true Hag didn‘t get marquee signings like Frenkie and Kane, whereas Mourinho got Pogba. But he did get other good signings, he has been backed.
Mourinho should shut up, he played atrocious football here.
The point is, if you want to challenge for the title right off, you need those marquee signings. Otherwise, it will take more time.
Mourinho should shut up, he played atrocious football here.
The point is, if you want to challenge for the title right off, you need those marquee signings. Otherwise, it will take more time.
The good news is we'll be able to sell him all our players because he only signs players that he's previously worked with.
Why would I do that?
Thanks
I think if we lose 1 more match then it’s the most defeats we’ve ever had in a PL season. But would need clarification on that
It’s been an awful season
Man keeps crying about injuries but has never given an explanation as to why a lot of them happen during training sessions
When, in the history of United, have we signed true marquee signings? And I mean proper signings, like Kane, Zidane, fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Del Piero, Rivaldo, Figo, Davids, etc. The best of the best.
It's not something we've ever done, we tried to under Woodward but he managed to get in a bunch of A-list pretenders that weren't fit to play for the likes of Madrid, Juventus and prime Barcelona. We should stop pretending we're Madrid, the Mbappe's of this world end up there, not in Manchester.
His position is already untenable. The situation will become a lot more toxic after the losses against Arsenal and Newcastle. Handing City the double at Wembley will be the icing on a shit cake.
He is already gone. It's just a matter of making it official.
We signed him on deadline day...not sure any manager is going to turn around and say 'fee is too high', especially with how we started that season.
He's talking like he's gone and needs to get some excuses out in the open so a new employer picks him up.
Not really - they’ve made big changes behind the scenes. He’s already on thin ice so they’d justifiably sack him and say he had the structure in place if next season started badly.
I’m not a big ten hag in person but I do recognise he’s done some good work in his time. He’s been on the back foot since Liverpool smashed us at anfield last season though.
He said it is just bad luck in his press conference. He has been manager for 10 years and never experienced this.
No such thing, he just doesn't want to say that all the running he's making the players do without the ball is causing muscle related injuries.
We have had them but you are right: never like Madrid or Barcelona.
That is a huge assumption on your part. Do you have anything to back this up?
Thats guessing.
He's digging an even bigger hole for himself by making all of these excuses, the comment about not being backed as much as previous managers is also a very reckless one to make. His time is almost up at this club.
Someone once said you create your own luck. Maybe he was wrong?
At this crazy rate, it cannot just be about bad luck IMHO.
For the last 10 years, the players have had too much say.
When times get hard they down tools and wait for the next clean slate under the new manager.
The players need to know that there are consequences to poor attitude/form over time.
An underperforming player should be out the door in the following transfer window.
There is no obvious replacement for Ten Hag.
The team's performance this season comes with a lot of asteriscs. (Injuries, take-over, accusations of crimes)
The new CEO, TD, and DOF would know where to put the blame for this season and act accordingly.
I think Ten Hag has a CL clause that makes it easy to fire him if not met. (All previous Glazer hires had?)
So the fact that he is still in charge... I can't even imagine what kind of horror show INEOS has seen inside Carrington.
The bottom line here is. We have no clue what goes on inside Carrington.
And let's hope that the people who make the important decisions over the next years do.
When times get hard they down tools and wait for the next clean slate under the new manager.
The players need to know that there are consequences to poor attitude/form over time.
An underperforming player should be out the door in the following transfer window.
There is no obvious replacement for Ten Hag.
The team's performance this season comes with a lot of asteriscs. (Injuries, take-over, accusations of crimes)
The new CEO, TD, and DOF would know where to put the blame for this season and act accordingly.
I think Ten Hag has a CL clause that makes it easy to fire him if not met. (All previous Glazer hires had?)
So the fact that he is still in charge... I can't even imagine what kind of horror show INEOS has seen inside Carrington.
The bottom line here is. We have no clue what goes on inside Carrington.
And let's hope that the people who make the important decisions over the next years do.
I feel fairly confident he’ll still be here next season. The only real toxicity is here on the fan forum, there doesn’t seem to be as high a demand for a replacement from other outside sources. Possibly because the choices of replacements are so poor there is nothing that says vast improvement out there.
By which metric?
Worst position?
Lowest points?
Lowest goals scored?
Most goals conceded?
Most defeats?
Lowest GD?
We are close to most of those I think.
This thread will be lively tonight after losing and dominated by palace.
I don’t know but I would assume it does mostly because he hasn’t managed 109 PL games…
We were never singing Kane. Spurs/Levy wouldn't sell to us and it'd been a very poor signing in terms of value for money even if they did. £100-120m+ for a 30 year old is not money well spent, especially not a year after signing Casemiro for £70m.
Can you not read?
My original comment said competency should not be assumed. That does not mean incompetency should be assumed - it means we don’t yet know their levels of competency, and so we should judge them on what they do, as I specifically pointed out in a subsequent post.
These nuances are not as hard to understand as you’re making out.
Which players?
True enough, I didn't notice that bit.
Ten Hag claiming he's not had his signings is absolutely laughable. Just the other day he claimed Casemiro. Who didn't he get? Kane wasn't going to happen. FdJ didn't want to come after we submitted a successful bid. Fecking Brian Brobbey? Arnautovic? Amrabat on a permanent?
Think it has got to do with the fans belief/confidence in the guys above the manager and also to an extent attitude of the players.
Fans at United and in the past in other clubs like Chelsea, Barcelona have sided with the manager over the club admins.
Also if fans are convinced that the players don't have the right attitude/persona, then it the opinions would once again be split on who is to be blamed for the mess.
I mean its nearly two years ago now but it seemed like the pursuit of Timber happened earlier and we moved for Martinez after he said no and Arsenal were pursuing Martinez. It's possible he wanted Timber to play as a fullback too I suppose.
Fair enough, I rmemeber we were linked with Timber very early as well. But as you say he was being touted as more of an option to be an understudy to Varane and cover fro RB.
I don't personally believe a Dutch manager wouldn't have wanted a left footed LCB at the club. We didn't have one so it's no surprise that was one of our first signings. Was the same under Van Gaal when we signed Blind and Rojo.
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