Pretty sure same number competitions as Arsenal and Villa and more than Spurs from end of Jan no?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Pretty sure same number competitions as Arsenal and Villa and more than Spurs from end of Jan no?
With an Ajax team that had its best players taken every season. That didn’t even get to champions league group stage for many years before he got there. Of course he wasn’t going to get to UCL semi finals every season its not Bayern or City he was managjng
People just can't let that cup run go. A decent achievement from half a decade ago and it's literally 100% of his reputation to this day. During that same time frame plenty of very promising managers and players have become nobodies in football but for Ten Hag it's still as relevant as always.
Tuchel is a big fan of Mount
Nothing to do with Ajax having their squad picked apart or him topping the a group of death a few years later. Unlucky to go out in the last 16 to Benfica. I think people watched Ajaxs performances in the UCL under him where they regularly beat bigger teams with class as a reason why he was a highly rated manager before he came here.
1 poor season isn’t going to change that opinion of him for a sane football fan.
When did that happen?
The only group they qualified from since 18-19 was the one with Dortmund, Sporting and Besiktas and I assume you are not calling that a group of death.
They were eliminated from the other two groups they were in which were tougher.
They did not really ‘consistently beat bigger teams’. The only club with bigger resources than them that they beat after 18-19 was Dortmund in the groups and they were hardly a huge team either.
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Little bit of Cuntery can be a bit of fun.
I’m sure Sarni is working hard on his next witty sidesplitting ETH is great , wink wink, post.
We all waiteth, with bat'd breath f'r his comical rebuttle to these vagabonds
But did he have to use 30 different combinations at CB? Did he have over 60 different injury’s in a season? And you can compare there 2nd seasons as being better but the fact is none of there first full seasons was better than ETHs. Last year you could see how Liverpool got affected by just losing VVD and a couple of other players. Why does everyone els get a free pass and can use injuries as an excuse but when it’s us it can’t be used?
Theres actually mitigation reasons why SAF didn’t dominate Europe.
No European football for the first few years set English clubs back so much. When we won the CL in 99, the Serie A was the strongest league comfortably and had the strongest teams. That’s why beating Inter, Juventus was so impresive.
Then Chelsea under Roman , throwing crazy money around , stealing our shopping list got a few sessons. Actually physically obducting one of our signings (Obi Mikel). Then SAF considers retiring which also set us back a season or two.
It prob wasn’t until mid to late 00s when England really started being strong or the strongest. And then the greatest ckub side of all time in Barca stopped us winning two CLs.
I’d also throw in losing ronaldo was painful. Madrid don’t lose top player
Exactly, why does Klopp have so much credit in the bank that it’s fine for him to finish on 69 points when Erik who has done so much more for us than Klopp will ever do for any club, and delivered us The Trophy last year, get crucified for this season. People just can’t be grateful and it will be their fault if we now lose this beautiful bald manager.
That’s because they started of so poorly. They couldn’t get worse than 8th let’s be honest. We overachieved in ETH first season which is why everyone expected us to come like 2nd or something this year. It was never happening. He’s been here 2 years, got into 3 finals and won 1 cup. I’d say Klopps fall of was worse than ours. They came 2nd in 21/22 and then 5th the year later. Is that not a worse downfall than ours?
Why no option in the poll for him to stay next season?
I’m getting the feeling that everything you post is sarcastic
Only now? He went full sarcastic months ago.I’m getting the feeling that everything you post is sarcastic
Ye it’s only the last couple of days I’ve been in conversations with him
This is what happens when people have made up their mind and let emotions drive the train. They don’t factor in doubt and as such approach the topic from an absolute position that doesn’t allow discussion, only conflict.
ETH hasn’t been good enough this season. It’s really be a very bad one to be fair so I don’t blame anybody or most fans for having no faith in him. If he’s sacked there can’t be any complaints. I’d be very surprised if he survives to next season TBH.
that’s my way of coping knowing I will have to endure this for the next 2-3 years at very least.Always puts a smile on my face to read that, so keep going
I said he wouldn't even make best PL 3rd string.
You tried to make out that opinion was nonsense.
Then you agreed he wasn't in the top 3 best LCBs and shifted the goal posts to top 6 CBs. (I'd already named 6 teams that wouldn't swap their LCB for him)
This would at best mean playing him at RCB (a position he never plays) over the likes of Saliba, Stones, Dias and others.
Which opinion looks the most wrong? Me saying he wouldn't make a best PL 3rd XI or you saying he's one of the best 6 CBs in the league (they aren't the same thing).
I agree. But like you said people have made up their mind and won’t take into account some of the reasons this season as been so bad.
You also have to remember that early on in the CL there was a restriction on how many foreign players you could field, which meant at times we couldn't play some of our best players.
When I’m at a game and hear some of the stuff being screamed at refs, players and/or teams , I don’t think it’s informed wisdom, it’s raw anger/frustration spewing out. Imagine telling one of those lads to “calm down” when they are berating somebody, you’d end up getting it both barrels aswell.
Similar stuff in here , for a lot of people it’s more a place to vent than to discuss and there’s this misguided attack on fellow United fans trying to take a more reasonable stance on the clubs situation.
Oh yeh, and Irish being foreigners!!!
Crazy when you think about some of the lineups being put out now.
Didn't Welsh and Scottish also count as foreign back then?
You could be right, f^cking nuts
Every game you’d be wondering who would be sacrificed for the foreigner rule.
Yes, as they are independent football associations and have their own national teams. So in football legislation terms they are still foreigners in England, it just doesn't matter as it used to.
All that may or may not be true and/or needed but there's no reason we need to keep one specific manager in place to achieve that.
If, (and for me it's a big if) there's still a culture problem 2 years later and after he's turned over the squad by more than 60% then that's on Ten Hag.
Every manager ever has to work with players bought by their predecessors. That's not a valid reason for his struggles. Even with dealing with all this there's no reason we shouldn't still be seeing progress of some sort or at least the first signs of some sort of effective style of play emerging.
SAF had to deal with a drink culture and got rid of it's biggest culprits. The only one he kept was Bryan Robson as it never seemed to affect him in his game performances. Then it is down to bringing better players in. With this squad it is full of perpetual injuries and players paid way beyond their actual talent.
Yeah it's either a vast overestimation of his time at Ajax or blind faith.
The people who think we should give him to Xmas to "see how he does" would only want to give him until the end of the season anyway no matter how badly we were doing by next December. Some were writing this season off back in November to give Ten Hag time.
I think some just can't ever bring themselves to saying the manager should be sacked.
To be fair a lot of our injury prone players were signed in the last 2 years.
And Antony I'm sure us being paid way beyond his talent.
He has basically built his entire reputation with that 2018-19 run. Winning the league with Ajax is good but they are by far the wealthiest club in Netherlands and always expected to be around the top of the table. In CL, it was that 18-19 run and to an extent the 18-point group performance in 21-22 albeit it was a relatively weak group (definitely not a group of death as it had been pitched in this very thread) and it still ended up in the very next round against Benfica. They were decent in Europe but not historically amazing.
Those who are defending him now will definitely find reasons to defend him always. If we are lingering around mid table with same performances as this year and have no shot at top 4 in Dec/Jan next season they will just move on to different excuses because let’s be realistic, they are not backtracking on something they’ve put so much stock in, and besides look at how long it took Ferguson to get us to compete.
I wholeheartedly believe the intention is not to play with a low block. If it is then that's moronic. I think the biggest problem is the majority of our (available) defense is not suited to and therefore cannot execute a high block. This includes maguire, lindelof, Evans, awb, and current version of varane.
I did not agree he was not top 3 LCBs no point lying too and again you backed nothing up this is a subjective conversation and its all our opinions
Hes had literally no games where he's been fully fit
Well usually in scenarios like this managers choose to either implement their style of play even if the players they currently have are not ideally suited to it. You don't necessarily need quick defenders to play a high line. Yes you'll be vulnerable in behind but it's not like we're defensively solid right now. Or another option is to play a system to suit the available players and get the best out of them.
Ten Hag has chose option 3, don't actually play with any sort of structure you plan on using long-term and implement a setup that makes us weak at the back and limp in attack. And doesn't seem to get the best out of many if any of our players.
Quite the bold strategy.
Terrible source and 4 coaches have already rejected Bayern. They are looking for scraps now.
We have not been limp in attack since Jan the defensive shape yes thats been a consistent issue but we also know what the other obvious defensive issue has been
We might not be "limp" but I can't say I'm in anyway impressed or encouraged by our attacking play.
It's pretty tedious having to constantly educate you.
30 combinations is becoming the new 115 charges.
60 different injuries is pure fantasy stuff.
Liverpool had a bad season last year. It was Klopp's 8th season. You're going to have bad season eventually. The team was coming to the end of its cycle.They had a bad sesson because their midfield got old and players declined. Fabinho fell off a cliff, Henderson got older, The Ox wasn't reliable anymore, Milner was in his late 30's, etc. They sold/released all four of them last summer and replaced them with Mac Allister, Endo, Szoboszlai and Gravenberch. It rejuvenated the team and they have had a decent season. Won a trophy and are still technically in a title race if they win today.
Liverpool have had multiple injuries this season and haven't been a complete disgrace. Alisson, Matip, Robertson, TAA, Bajetic, C.Jones, Szobszlai and Jota have all missed lots of games this season.
When they had an injury crisis during the 20/21 season with van Dijk missing for almost the entire season, they still finished 3rd. They took 26 points from 30 to finish that season. They had CB combinations made up from Rhys Williams, Nat Phillips and Kabak. Fabinho even had to play a few games at CB.They rocked up to Old Trafford and beat us 4-2 with Williams and Phillips playing at CB. Phillips even assisted a goal. Look at the level these two are playing at currently. That's why Klopp is elite. He could achieve 3rd from a difficult situation.
No excuses at all. Klopp failed to achieve top 4 once from 8 full seasons as manager. He built up a bit of leeway by that stage.
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